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Priority One Podcast -- Gekosaurus Rex Supplemental
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Hello Captains and welcome to this supplemental edition of our interview with Al "Captain Geko" Rivera
In a continuation of the interview first aired in Priority One Podcast Episode 146, Al joins us and gives us even more spoilers from the upcoming Season 8, the design decisions behind the Voth and their associated critters, some more information on the Fortress and City Ships and finally Al gives a special birthday present to Elijah which hints at even more Season 8 contact than we've been told about. You're not going to want to miss this!
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In a continuation of the interview first aired in Priority One Podcast Episode 146, Al joins us and gives us even more spoilers from the upcoming Season 8, the design decisions behind the Voth and their associated critters, some more information on the Fortress and City Ships and finally Al gives a special birthday present to Elijah which hints at even more Season 8 contact than we've been told about. You're not going to want to miss this!
We are Live on TrekRadio.net every Thursday at 5:30pm Pacific Time! If you?d like to join us live, during the show, Trek Radio has a built in IRC Chat client. Just click on the Community menu tab and select IRC Chat - input your desired screen name and enter!
The Priority One Network is always looking for new team members that have a passion for Star Trek. If you have a particular skill that you believe could enhance our content, then send your contact information and experience along with a few writing samples to incoming@priorityonepodcast.com -- Please know that all of our positions are volunteer, but we do offer a well known outlet for your work.
Did you miss any of our great Blogs last week? Stop by this link and see for yourself! How about our latest Video Release? You can also follow us on the social media sites! We?re on Facebook! Head over to www.facebook.com/PriorityOnePodcast and say hi! Or, Check us out on Twitter via @stopriorityone for show times and other cool stuff.
Liked this episode? Totally hated it? Leave a comment below, Contact Us using our handy web form or leave your comments on the STO Forum thread for this publication!
We are Live on TrekRadio.net every Thursday at 5:30pm Pacific Time! If you'd like to join us live, during the show, Trek Radio has a built in IRC Chat client. Just click on the Community menu tab and select IRC Chat - input your desired screen name and enter!
The Priority One Network is always looking for new team members that have a passion for Star Trek. incoming@priorityonepodcast.com Please know that all of our positions are volunteer, but we do offer a well known outlet for your work. If you have a particular skill that you believe could enhance our content, then send your contact information and experience along with a few writing samples to incoming@priorityonepodcast.com
Did you miss any of our great Blogs last week? Stop by this link and see for yourself! How about our latest Video Release? You can also follow us on the social media sites! We're on Facebook! Head over to www.facebook.com/PriorityOnePodcast and say hi! Or, Check us out on Twitter via @stopriorityone for show times and other cool stuff.
Liked this episode? Totally hated it? Leave a comment below, Contact Us using our handy web form or leave your comments on the episode's page at Priority One Podcast.com
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I figured some people (an understatement) would be interested in this portion of the Supplemental. I apologize for errors ahead of time, since I?m basically stopping, rewinding, and pressing play again as I transcribe. If anyone has any corrections, let me know:
All in all, interesting perspectives and I look forward to the eventual inclusion of the ship classes he said yes or "good possibility" to.
(UFP) Ragnar
This is bollocks, Revera....
There are TWO K'Vort classes. The Prime U K'Vort and the Alt U K'vort(Yesterday's Enterprise "Battlecrusier").
EVERYONE seems to forget that the Prime Universe version of the K'Vort is a BoP sized ship! There is NO excuse NOT to make it just like there is NO excuse for not having KDF versions of the ENT Era Bird of Prey OR the D12 variant because you have crappy TRIBBLE versions of the NX and Constitution classes! You guys say KDF doesn't sell...
PROVE IT!
Very much appreciated!
Actually, since you don't have anything to scale the MU K'vorts against, its unknown if there is an actual size difference.
Most of the PU K'vorts can be scaled at about 350 meters to depict what we see on screen.
When he said that the K'vort was a "giant Negh'Var-sized B'rel" I think I had an aneurysm from sheer stupidity. The best example of determining the K'vort's size is this:
http://www.suricatafx.com/?p=274
The K'vort has more right to be in this game than a lot of the other ships already in. Namely, all of the Cryptic made ones.
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My pleasure. I've been following some of the "wishes for ships" threads and figured having a transcript of an official statement would help with referencing in the ongoing discussions.
(UFP) Ragnar
Anyways though, I'd love to see some Ferasan and Lethean ships!
My character Tsin'xing
Even so, signs point to a KDF ship coming out soon(ish), hopefully with S8, and the hints given also indicate something special coming for KDF too.
As far as 'dinosaurs with lazers' go, I'm not too upset by it - because we already have stupid stuff in the game like 'klingon targ handlers' and gorn throwing out space lizard pets at us. I'd rather we didn't have any of this stuff at all, but inarguably the dino-riders stuff is totally fine as the precedent that was established at launch.
Well canonically... the Alt U K'Vort would have the turn radius about the same as the D'Deradix.... after all... Alt Picard said his Galaxy could out-manuver them.
Territory Control - it is fun, but I fear people will get tired of it after they maxed their reputation. And I worry how people would handle Territory control in the long run if there are not enough people to fill up the zone and complete it to unlock the final battels.
And yes, its possible to solo capture points. Just some is easier than the others.
Spire Fleet Holding - yeah fun when small fleets are still working on their dililthium mines. And Kllingons can't earn Fleet Marks since the Klingon Fleet Mark Queues are dead (D-E-A-D!)! And forget Defera, be lucky to find people to do it with.
But the K'Vort................what Geko said really pisses me off! He has the gall to brag that he is a Star Trek fan and say this garbage?! :mad:
"Oh, it isn't consistent in sizes"
"It's just a big B'rel".
You sir, are making excuses! You added DS9, the Defiant-class, the B'rel, and other Star Trek ships that some kind of issue with inconsistent sizes! And they are in the game!
Who cares if she is a "large B'Rel!" does really anyone really care about that? Not like you could give her a different BOFF layout! Just look at the difference with the HoH'Sus with the other fleet Birds of Prey! Look at the Vor'cha and the Tor'khat! the Sovereign and the Regent! The Prometheus and the MVAM! And now the Negh'var and the Negh'var varient you been working on!
SO STOP MAKING EXCUSES!
You guys bragged that "all ships shown in Star Trek will make it into the game!" The K'vort has many appearances and even graphics with the name "K'vort" shown on Screen that confirms her as a canonical ship! So you going back on your own words?
"A large 'Raider' " - WHAT?!?
The K'Vort is a BATTLECRUISER! It was mentioned on-screen in TNG: Yesterday's Enterprise". And the DS9 Technical Manual called the K'Vort a "Cruiser". Because she is a Bird-of-Prey, doesn't mean it has to be a Raider! :mad:
Those HUGE Disruptor cannons on the wing tips on the K'Vort are larger than the Disruptor cannons on the Negh'var, you could turn that into a selling point as some kind of disruptor attack! IMHO, it would go great for that 5 Fore Ship that Klingon players wanted for the Avenger counterpart, and wouldn't have to trivialize the Fleet Tor'kaht (which pretty much was the counter to the Avenger, and Klingon players did that a year ago!).
If you really are a Star Trek fan as you claim, you should add that ship to the Klingon Roster and not make any excuses. Activision added the K'vort into SFC3 and Armada and made her not "a large B'rel", she was made into her own, even in looks. And I'm sure JamJamz is smart enough to add things so she isn't just a "scaled up B'rel".
The only thing canon about the K'vort is the name, the ship was seen in Yesterday's Enterprise. The B'rel that was named during TNG rascals which also using the same battle footage from Yesterday's Enterprise...The only other time the name K'vort is used (in the prime universe) is on DS9 on a display, which does not show us any size comparison to the B'rel or any other star ship.
It's the same ship as the B'rel, and the KDF deserve better than some rehash and lazy ship. People want Cryptic to show love for the KDF, but then want the lazy big BOP in the because it's canon BY NAME ONLY because it was just reused from the same model, and same footage when attacking the Enterprise.
The Defiant is a another ship with a messy scale, but it's not as bad as the BOP, no one tried making a Defiant look bigger than a Warbird
And you know why DS9 is scaled up, Cryptic only explained it 1000 times.
and how come we now want to use other games for examples when they are not canon??
If Cryptic did add the K'vort, and we want to use canon logic like a lot of people want to use for some reason , then guess what...the ship will be slower than a Galaxy class and who the hell wants that.
To me, it's one of the laziest things the producers for Star Trek ever did. I see absolutely no reason why we should accept this for the game. I definitely don't see why we should accept an upscaled B'Rel when I don't even accept it from the show it was in.
Well I'm glad you've brought up canon, as though it means anything, because the B'Rel was referred to in 'Rascals' and they reused stock footage of the battle from 'Yesterday's Enterprise', so - CANONICALLY - the B'Rel is functionally identical to the K'Vort.
What the tech manual says or doesn't say is irrelevant. As per the 'Rascals' example, B'Rels are K'Vorts. And if you don't like it, and I sure as hell don't, then you can blame the producers for Star Trek The Next Generation, who started this ******n mess.
Dude, just stop. You're just as bad as Geko in making excuses.
The K'Vort is canon, deal with it.
Real Star Trek fans wouldn't be dumb enough to ask for more ugly 2409 designs.
Yeah you're right it's canon and it's already in game it's called the B'rel so deal with it....i mean all I have to go by for excuses is Star Trek the Next Generation and what was said on screen and shown, sorry I can't make things up for you.
and i did not know your personal opinions on ship looks were facts.
Just like Cryptic, add whatever you want and call it canon and ignore everything else because you personally don't like it.
If the producers of the shows can do i see no problem.
As long as the KDF get new ships, and not rehashes of other ships that are bigger and worked on like the FEDs, and not lazy work just scaling things up I'll be happy to give cryptic money.
What the Producers decided is what made Trek Canon. What Cryptic is doing is ignoring it.
And who said the K'Vort had to be a "rehash"? According to your own words, it would be acceptable if the ship team altered the looks of the K'vort to where it wouldn't be a copy. But yet you're not.
Oh? Funny, don't recall having any power to add anything to STO and call that canon. :rolleyes:
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The irony is that you want to add whatever you like to the game and call it canon. You know, that thing you accused Cryptic of doing. The B'rel and the K'vort use the same stock footage, so CANONICALLY they are the same ship.
Since CANON means so much to some people, I'm gonna go ahead and repeat myself a 3rd time now: The B'Rel and K'Vort use the same stock footage, making them CANONICALLY THE SAME SHIP. Hell, the K'Vort only ever appears in an alternate reality timeline, and doesn't appear in the prime universe timeline at all. Yes, it is referred to in an episode of DS9, but it never actually appears. You'd think that in DS9 they'd show one K'Vort and B'Rel standing side-by-side so that they could settle this once and for all, but NOPE.
Guess what: tech manuals ARE NOT CANON. The encyclopedia WAS NOT CANON. Even this game isn't canon. The only thing that IS canon, is the shows and the movies. Yes, even when they contradict each other. And they certainly do contradict each other when it comes to the Bird-of-Prey's lazy scaling. One movie it's so small that only a dozen guys would be on it. The very next movie it's large enough to carry two adult humpback whales in its cargo hold. In one episode it's a battlecruiser, in the next it's a raider and has like 36 guys on it. In one episode it's half the size of a Vor'cha, in the next it's tiny. The Bird-of-Prey and its scaling issues is one of the laziest things the producers of Star Trek ever did.
You did
If Cryptic wants to make a brand new star ship for the KDF and call it K'vort I don't care it's a new ship for the KDF.
Not all players in STO are Trek fans, if Cryptic is gonna try to get them to go to the KDF side, you're not gonna attract players by using the same ship model. they will ask why Cryptic is lazy, and can't made a new ship for the KDF instead of reusing old ones.
Activision was not selling people ships they sold the game, so they decided to take the lazy way to add more Klingon ships, and added the K'vort which was just a BOP without folding wings in their games...They also ignored canon when they needed to...Video games can do that because like the books they can break and ignore things...Especially when canon is so grey like the size of the BOP.
Obviously the B'Rel is inflatable to suit the needs at the time. If it needs to carry a couple of humpback whales, then they just get out their air pumps and inflate it to the right size. The K'Vort is simply the B'Rel at its maximum size. Any more air and the ship would pop.
Then there we go. Mutual ground.
Then you should have said that in the first place to justify reasoning. Which I would agree with.
That's why they could've offered a classic canonical skin and a 2409 refitted skin to appease both sides.
That's the thing, those games were single player and canon was a guideline. While STO's prime directive (if you should call it such) is enforcing canon and staying within the lines. That is the difference.
Thanks for the laugh, but the B'rel is not the same ship as the K'vort. Nice try though.
Stahl and Geko constantly said since STO's launch that they will "eventually add all canonical ships to STO", well guess what, them ignoring the K'Vort and the Kitbashes is going against their word now is it.
Never said the encyclopedia and the Tech manual were canon. :rolleyes:
But go ahead and rationalize all you want about the B'rel being the same because it's "the same stock footage". By your logic the Duras Sisters was flying Chang's Prototype BoP because it used the same explosion footage from Star Trek 6. :rolleyes:
So please, continue with your crusade. Because I'm really enjoying a good laugh at the extents this is going just to keep Cryptic from adding the K'vort.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Inflatable_starship_decoy
Thanks!
1. No it isn't.
2. So what if it is?
Then don't refer to the DS9 tech manual in support of your case. :rolleyes:
In actual fact, I really do hate how Generations reused that same footage. It was cheap and lazy.
I'm really enjoying your obstinance. I don't actually care if they put the K'Vort in the game or not, if they do it'll mean KDF gets another ship so I'm 100% behind that, but if they don't it's no skin off my nose. You're the one that started this whole argument off, I'm just pointing out where you're wrong.
I understand Geko's thinking that "it's just a big BoP" but that's narrow-minded thinking, really. That's just an iconic look which Klingon fans like a lot. What goes on "under the hood" is what makes a ship worth making and flying.
I am a big fan of getting a K'Vort into STO somehow, but I'm not asking for it to be a scaled up version of what is commonly identified as a B'rel. I've suggested time and again that Cryptic would get my money if they gave me a K'Vort with almost identical scaling, BOFF layout, turn, hull, etc. as the Breen Chel Grett. A destroyer-type, if you will.
Give me a ship which has the look of a BoP but without the all-universal BOFF seating and squishiness. I figure it's a little smaller than a Vor'cha, but that's just my opinion. God, give it a 5/3 or even 5/2 weapon load-out and I may weep with joy.
I figure they go down this route and they can introduce a Mirror Battlecruiser in a lockbox down the line somewhere.
As for the line about Klingon ships just not selling... I have to call BS. When was the last Tier5 ship released for the KDF since F2P? Over a year ago? Nothing since? Hmmmm.... So a god-awful ship no-one asked for didn't sell well over 1 year ago and nothing has been tried since so this qualifies as the excuse for the rest of STO's shelf-life? If another Tier5 KDF ship had been released in the meantime (and was decent and followed KDF design for fast turn-rate, looks, etc.) and didn't sell well, I'd have reason for pause and to consider that the evidence was actually stacking up in favour of the "KDF ships don't sell well so we won't bother" line but that simply doesn't appear to be the case.
Since Cryptic like to give us polls about what to add next (last one was which Delta Quadrant species would you most like to see) why don't they put on in the Klingon Fleetyards section giving us a list of ships and ask us directly what we want to see. I would suggest a list including Ferasan design, Lethean design, K'Vort Battlecruiser, Vod'Leh (proper Negh'var variant, not the Vo'quv skin) and anything else they have in the pipeline. Let us, the players, tell you what we will buy ahead of time and then you can make it. If not enough players buy it, Cryptic will have proved the KDF playerbase is a fickle bunch of skinflints who won't part with money even for what they demand... if it's a success... well, I think you get the picture.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016
If you reread his whole post there, he was not saying the DS9 tech manual was canon, simply showing that the K'Vort designation is open to interpretation (some call it a cruiser, like in the DS9 tech manual), some call it a battlecruiser, some call it a BoP, etc. His whole point was that the K'Vort does not have to be a "blown up" copy of the already existing in-game B'rel raider, it could be so much more with just a very similar silhouette.
The KDF are fans of building ships to last that can be used for more than one kind of fighting, after all...
And just look at the Kamarag class. Beautiful and showing a clear lineage from old to new. Why could a Cryptic made K'Vort not have a clear history as a large BoP variant leaning towards a future design like the Vor'cha? Fixed wing, flatter hull, keep the rounded engine housings and wing-mounted cannons, strengthen the neck and keep the BoP "beak" and you have a class which is not just a rehash, but an amalgam of the old and the new.
There is a great post (in Klingon fleetyards) about a KDF 3-pack with Kang, Kor and Koloth class variants. Give us a K'Vort as the anniversary ship next year and then release a 3-pack of K'Vort variants. Similar to how the Odyssey/Bortas'qu was launched so people get a taste of the ship and can choose to buy a "more enhanced" version later.
Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016