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The Stealth bonus granted no longer stacks.
Only the highest bonus will apply.
The Defense bonus still stacks.
just saw it in the patch notes, one small step for pvp kind!
and heres the rest-
Resolved some issues with some Tactical Bridge Officer powers.
All weapon modifying Tactical Bridge Officer powers are now unable to activate while the category of buff they give is already active.
For example, while Beam Overload 1 buff is active, Beam Overload 2 cannot be fired.
All weapon modifying Tactical Bridge Officers powers are now unable to activate for 5 seconds after using the ability.
For example, for 5 seconds after firing Beam Overload, Beam Overload 1, 2, and 3 cannot be activated.
These changes affect all of the following categories of powers at all ranks:
Beam Overload
Beam Fire At Will
Beam Subsystem Targeting
Mine Dispersal Pattern Alpha
Mine Dispersal Pattern Beta
Cannon Rapid Fire
Cannon Scatter Volley
High Yield Torpedo
Torpedo Spread
Gravity Well
Ranks 2 and 3 now properly benefit from the captain's AuxPower and Graviton Generators skill.
The base damage of the power has been increased at all ranks.
The Repel values of all ranks can now be improved slightly with Graviton Generators skill.
The Radius bonus gained by Graviton Generators has been increased.
The amount of bonus damage that Aux Power and Partical Generators give to this power have been decreased.
Tyken's Rift
All ranks of Tyken's Rift now apply the proper bonuses of the user's AuxPower, Flow Capacitors and Particle Generators.
The base value of the periodic power drain has been increased by approximately 50%.
The bonus from Aux Power has been decreased to less than half of its prior potential.
The base kinetic damage dealt by this power has been increased by about 35%
Graviton Pulse Generator
Innate Resistances to Slow (like those provided by the skill Inertial Dampers) now reduce the Duration of this debuff, instead of the Magnitude.
The benefit this ability gains from the Graviton Generators skill has been reduced by half.
Duty Officers:
Fast Reload Projectile Officers no longer reduce the recharge time of the Destabilized Plasma Torpedo.
Resolved some issues with the Romulan Xenobiologist kits.
The Mk X kit version no longer has the same powers as the very rare version Mk X.
The Mk X kit now correctly has Stasis Field R4 instead of R3.
Orion Slave Hangar Pets
Their odds to pillage Energy Credits and Commodities have doubled.
Each successful pillage will result in a higher average energy credit rate.
Warp Core Breach
Reduced the flee distance from 5km to 3km.
this makes no sense-
Emergency Power to Engines now only last 5 seconds for enemy craft.
The 30 second duration for players remains unchanged.
they change it for pve but not pvp? i thought they flat out told us doing things like that werent worth it eh? such bull****.
Matter/Antimatter Warp Core mod "Auxiliary to Shields" now displays the correct mod abbreviation in its item display names.
Cores with this power will now properly display as "A->S" instead of "E->S".
Warhead Yield Chamber consoles no longer displays their damage tooltip twice.
Resolved an issue where sometimes carrier's small craft would not fight against enemies while in Intercept mode.
Elachi Crescent Wave Cannon
Now requires a target to be in its arc before it can be fired.
The Tricobalt Torpedo weapons now have the correct power icon when Torpedo High Yield or Torpedo Spread is active.
The Stealth bonus granted no longer stacks.
Only the highest bonus will apply.
The Defense bonus still stacks.
just saw it in the patch notes, one small step for pvp kind!
and heres the rest-
Resolved some issues with some Tactical Bridge Officer powers.
All weapon modifying Tactical Bridge Officer powers are now unable to activate while the category of buff they give is already active.
For example, while Beam Overload 1 buff is active, Beam Overload 2 cannot be fired.
All weapon modifying Tactical Bridge Officers powers are now unable to activate for 5 seconds after using the ability.
For example, for 5 seconds after firing Beam Overload, Beam Overload 1, 2, and 3 cannot be activated.
These changes affect all of the following categories of powers at all ranks:
Beam Overload
Beam Fire At Will
Beam Subsystem Targeting
Mine Dispersal Pattern Alpha
Mine Dispersal Pattern Beta
Cannon Rapid Fire
Cannon Scatter Volley
High Yield Torpedo
Torpedo Spread
Gravity Well
Ranks 2 and 3 now properly benefit from the captain's AuxPower and Graviton Generators skill.
The base damage of the power has been increased at all ranks.
The Repel values of all ranks can now be improved slightly with Graviton Generators skill.
The Radius bonus gained by Graviton Generators has been increased.
The amount of bonus damage that Aux Power and Partical Generators give to this power have been decreased.
Tyken's Rift
All ranks of Tyken's Rift now apply the proper bonuses of the user's AuxPower, Flow Capacitors and Particle Generators.
The base value of the periodic power drain has been increased by approximately 50%.
The bonus from Aux Power has been decreased to less than half of its prior potential.
The base kinetic damage dealt by this power has been increased by about 35%
Graviton Pulse Generator
Innate Resistances to Slow (like those provided by the skill Inertial Dampers) now reduce the Duration of this debuff, instead of the Magnitude.
The benefit this ability gains from the Graviton Generators skill has been reduced by half.
Duty Officers:
Fast Reload Projectile Officers no longer reduce the recharge time of the Destabilized Plasma Torpedo.
Resolved some issues with the Romulan Xenobiologist kits.
The Mk X kit version no longer has the same powers as the very rare version Mk X.
The Mk X kit now correctly has Stasis Field R4 instead of R3.
Orion Slave Hangar Pets
Their odds to pillage Energy Credits and Commodities have doubled.
Each successful pillage will result in a higher average energy credit rate.
Warp Core Breach
Reduced the flee distance from 5km to 3km.
this makes no sense-
Emergency Power to Engines now only last 5 seconds for enemy craft.
The 30 second duration for players remains unchanged.
they change it for pve but not pvp? i thought they flat out told us doing things like that werent worth it eh? such bull****.
Matter/Antimatter Warp Core mod "Auxiliary to Shields" now displays the correct mod abbreviation in its item display names.
Cores with this power will now properly display as "A->S" instead of "E->S".
Warhead Yield Chamber consoles no longer displays their damage tooltip twice.
Resolved an issue where sometimes carrier's small craft would not fight against enemies while in Intercept mode.
Elachi Crescent Wave Cannon
Now requires a target to be in its arc before it can be fired.
The Tricobalt Torpedo weapons now have the correct power icon when Torpedo High Yield or Torpedo Spread is active.
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Will have to confirm how the #s play out, but the idea that a 50 aux tac w/a lt commander Sci may out perform a 130 aux power ship seems a bit much.
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The reason they mentioned what they mentioned for Grav well and Tyken's Rift is because they were essentially fixing a bug with those powers..
I did not get a chance to see what the Tyken's Rift on tribble after they toned down the Drain was like, I suspect based on feed back I saw in that information that it was perhaps similar to Live but maybe slightly higher. (PRobably 1-2 points at most, but that is a guess with out proper testing.)
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
And you have to choose between CC (grav/flow) or damage (particle gens).
In the end, what they've done is just to make everything of TR and GW work, but because they now work, they have to nerf it into the ground again.
So that it is broken as intended as always!
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As far as Grav well goes, for Pets, don't be surprised if it pulls them in better then before, and if you have points in GRav Gens from much further away too.
As far as Tyken's.. No Idea..
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Then fix he bug, don't change the mechanic. Buffing the base will benefit Tacs more at less cost since there's less need account for aux power to get the desired effect (this includes skill point investment see graviton skill effect on gw damage decreasing).
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As they said when they were fixing the bug, it turned things up much higher then they intended it to behave, so they had to change things.
I am a little irritated that this information is being found as a shock when the talks about it happened almost a month ago.. :rolleyes:
Oh and posts like this one make me sick..
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=870121
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Then fix the bug and lower the base.
Changing the aux and skill point influence changes the meta game. It'd be like finding a bug that was reducing base energy weapon damage and deciding to nerf weapon power and tactical skill investment influence on damage and keeping the base high.
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ah, we found a kink in the throttle cable, but after we fixed that the car had too much horsepower so we removed the turbo
Well.....perhaps we'll start seeing Stealth consoles being useful again - how much do those add, anyways?
Most of my cloakers use epta anyway, not sure if it balances out though.
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SCI NEEDS BUFF
Finally BO and torp stacking fixed yay!
Now lets hope that they also FIXED it for torps, because last time it was in the tribble notes, bo was fixed but u could still stack differnt ranks of HYT/spread.
Each +1 Starship Stealth provides +0.5 Stealth Value.
Each +1 Aux provides +1 Stealth Value. (That standard cloak of 4975 is the 4925 Stealth w/50 Aux taking it to 4975.)
EPtA1 is +60 Stealth and EPtA2 is +80 Stealth.
Let me work through Willard's numbers to see if that matches.
Base: 4925
+125 Aux: 5050
+8.8 Starship Stealth (Deflector): 5054.4
+150 Infiltrator Trait: 5129.4
Listed at 5184.4 (55 higher for some reason.)
+150 Sub#1: 5204.4
Listed at 5259.4 (again, 55 higher.)
+150 Sub#2: 5279.4
+150 Sub#3: 5354.4
Listed at 5409.4 (that curious +55). Wonder if that +55 is for it being Rom?
Anyway, egg on my face - I've got to go back and edit that other post. I completely forgot that the BOFFs add Starship Stealth and not Stealth Value.
Willard won't be dropping from 5409.4 to 5109.4...he's dropping to 5259.4. He's losing 300 Starship Stealth...but only 150 Stealth Value. Course, he's only got 3x Sub. Folks running 5x Sub though, they're going to lose another 150 Stealth Value for a total of -300 Stealth after the patch. Meh, I'm just going to edit out the other post...totally forgot that it's Starship Stealth and not Stealth Value. Pesky tooltips...
Basically, the 150 Willard's losing is 3km of Stealth. The 300 guys are losing 6km of Stealth.
How should I set her up?
Heh, I'm nowhere near qualified to offer any suggestions of that sort. I can run numbers, sure - but as far as an overall effective build...I believe Mai would be able to help with something like that far better (by light-years) than I could.
Saying something isn't changing for Players doesn't read we don't want to change pvp... it says all the pve folks using EPTE won't be effected.
Not everything and ... well lets face it nothing much really is about us.
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My point was that why are the npcs getting changed? They just dumbed down pve content again!....
Pvprs complain and get told to adapt, Pve'rs complain and the poor npcs get nerfed.
I know the players skill wasn't.
Do you even Science Bro?
Buy? Don't you mean sell, sell, sell?!
I'm thinking "yes" because, as it stands, I can counter most double-tap attempts with a combination of EM, RSP and SFM (plus some quick reflexes and careful listening for cloaked buff cycles). Give me 5 seconds and not only will I neutralize the attack, I'll likely also vaporize the attacker mid-alpha.
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I don't think so, just means coordination between multiple alpha strikers which will call for more hate towards team work an evil premades.
How date people work together to kill something
Do you even Science Bro?
Amen there Hilbert.
I mean, honestly, only the 'big three' were really affected: High Yield, Torp spread, and BO.
Everything else really don't matter:
Subsystem targeting: Did anyone EVER actually 'double tap' these? Let alone give up extra tac slots to have them. I'm sure some folks did and do use em, but I doubt few people ever used them in a 'double tap' fashion.
FAW/CRF/CSV: Pretty much a moot point due to how they work, so it didn't change em at all.
Mine patterns: Doesn't really matter due to the long shared CDs all mines have with each other irregardless. You could never 'double tap' a mine pattern because of that.
So, aside from double BO shots and TS stacks, not much has changed really.
Honestly can't believe they'd leave Infiltrator stacking.
Sub is +150 Starship Stealth
Sup Infil is +200 Starship Stealth
Cap Infil is +200 Starship Stealth as well.
BOFFs can have Sub/Sup Infil for +350 Starship Stealth. 5x = +1750 Starship Stealth. Add in the +200 from the Reman Captain Trait, and you've got +1950 Starship Stealth or +975 Stealth Value. Just removing the Sub stacking, drops it to +1350 Starship Stealth or +675 Stealth Value.
Figure they likely went with the same highest value/non-stacking thing...allowing stacking of the Captain Trait - so you're looking at +550 Starship Stealth or +275 Stealth Value.
Who knows though...who knows...
They don't even have to work together.
BO, TS, Iso, R-Tet Cascade, PSW, Plasma Shockwave...it's not like folks can't stack a ton of TRIBBLE regardless. Changing the doubletap stuff is moot.
But yeah, folks can work together too. Again, changing the doubletap stuff is moot.
Hawk didn't like when I said that in the thread discussing it...but c'mon, it's moot.
Folks are going to pop just as fast...Hell, probably faster - because there are better things than a 2x BO. All this does is encourage folks to explore various options...the change was a waste of time.
Hilbert eh?
Do you even Science Bro?
I'm sure there will be another reason people loose very soon coming to a chat box near you.....
Its for NPC'S, not PLAYERS. Its so those pesky NPC Ships will stop zipping around so much.
It DOES NOT affect players.
We will still be dealing with the speed demons and drainers will be a little more deadly, but overall... eh not much changes.
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