Torpedo Nerf Compromise: Unlock Fire GCD

jjgrands420

You wouldnt need to stack hy or ts to get simul torp hits if thewy simpkly unlocked the global cd. There is no global cd for firing beams or cannons, why have torpedoes been so punished?


UNLOCK TORPEDO COOLDOWN. / DO WHATEVER U WANT TO BO

deal

majortiraomega

Removing the global one second cooldown on torpedoes would be an interesting idea.

antoniosalieri

This is my idea to make Torpedos a viable... and widely used weapon type.

I posted this idea in your other thread... There would be a lot of issues with removing the Global from torps completely... 1 the doffs would need to be redone... 2 there would need to be some major redsigns to the torps themselves... or the game would just devolve into every 5 fore weapon ship running 5 transphasic torps... and spamming the hell out of them.

I would vote more for making them more effective and addressing the real reason most players don't see them as a good investment.

Implement a Sliding scale of Bleed through on shields with less then 30% of there cap.

So Anyone that has more then 30% of there facing will still resist 75% of the torpedo dmg as it is now.

At 28%... it would drop to 73
at 26%... it would drop to 70
at 24%... it would drop to 67
at 22%... it would drop to 64
at 20%... it would drop to 60
at 18%... it would drop to 56
at 16%... it would drop to 52
at 14%... it would drop to 48
at 12%... it would drop to 44
at 10%... it would drop to 40
at 8%... it would drop to 35
at 6%... it would drop to 30
at 4%... it would drop to 25
at 2%... it would drop to 20

virusdancer

A sliding scale based on a threshold is an interesting variant on the standard sliding scale...hrmm.

marc8219

This is one of many long overdue changes torps need.

I think due to BO nerf, tricobalt needs to also be reverted to its pre-nerf state. At least buff the torps back and remove the global cd it starts on mines and bio-neural warhead.

cidstorm

antoniosalieri wrote: »

This is my idea to make Torpedos a viable... and widely used weapon type.

I posted this idea in your other thread... There would be a lot of issues with removing the Global from torps completely... 1 the doffs would need to be redone... 2 there would need to be some major redsigns to the torps themselves... or the game would just devolve into every 5 fore weapon ship running 5 transphasic torps... and spamming the hell out of them.

I would vote more for making them more effective and addressing the real reason most players don't see them as a good investment.

Implement a Sliding scale of Bleed through on shields with less then 30% of there cap.

So Anyone that has more then 30% of there facing will still resist 75% of the torpedo dmg as it is now.

At 28%... it would drop to 73
at 26%... it would drop to 70
at 24%... it would drop to 67
at 22%... it would drop to 64
at 20%... it would drop to 60
at 18%... it would drop to 56
at 16%... it would drop to 52
at 14%... it would drop to 48
at 12%... it would drop to 44
at 10%... it would drop to 40
at 8%... it would drop to 35
at 6%... it would drop to 30
at 4%... it would drop to 25
at 2%... it would drop to 20

This is a great idea, limiting or destroying gcd's for torps would make the boat builds much more viable.

scurry5

Really, I don't see any negative effects that would result from this, especially since it is so easy to pump kinetic resist. Consider it a vote from me!

Although it might result in seeing BoPs with single BO to blow down a facing combined with 3 torp launchers.....

dahminus

I approve of this, I see devastation for torps finally

iskandus

Casting a yes vote for this

iskandus

scurry5 wrote: »

Although it might result in seeing BoPs with single BO to blow down a facing combined with 3 torp launchers.....

The campaign re: BO balance is not about nerfing BoP. I am sure many BoP are feeling pretty upset right now re: the fix of BO exploit. If the proposed changed re: removing GCD on Torpedos is received positively, at least the BoP won't feel targeted as much.

More to that, it's difficult for a single BO to blow down a single facing. Take a cruiser for example, most of have them either Elite Fleet Shield or Reputation Shield (e.g. Adapted MACO). Their base strength is between 9000 ~ 12000 each facing on average, with shield damage resist, an average BO of 24K will not be able to pierce though the high end of that spectrum, calculated to be around 11K or so of actual shield damage. The 24K figure comes from 4+ purple tactical Mk XII consoles + at least APO III, not easily achieved, although some veteran BoP here would want to boast otherwise by factoring critical hits. By all accounts, Critical hits are rare, even a 20% critical chance is considered very high and even that, it only happens once every 5 times. Some Federation Ships have much tougher shielding than your average cruiser and can withstand almost 3 times more beating than an Odyssey or Excelsior in terms of shielding. So removing the Torpedo GCD is less an issue. In fact, it may encourage people to use Torpedo more often.

scurry5

iskandus wrote: »

The campaign re: BO balance is not about nerfing BoP. I am sure many BoP are feeling pretty upset right now re: the fix of BO exploit. If the proposed changed re: removing GCD on Torpedos is received positively, at least the BoP won't feel targeted as much.

More to that, it's difficult for a single BO to blow down a single facing. Take a cruiser for example, most of have them either Elite Fleet Shield or Reputation Shield (e.g. Adapted MACO). Their base strength is between 9000 ~ 12000 each facing on average, with shield damage resist, an average BO of 24K will not be able to pierce though the high end of that spectrum, calculated to be around 11K or so of actual shield damage. The 24K figure comes from 4+ purple tactical Mk XII consoles + at least APO III, not easily achieved, although some veteran BoP here would want to boast otherwise by factoring critical hits. By all accounts, Critical hits are rare, even a 20% critical chance is considered very high and even that, it only happens once every 5 times. Some Federation Ships have much tougher shielding than your average cruiser and can withstand almost 3 times more beating than an Odyssey or Excelsior in terms of shielding. So removing the Torpedo GCD is less an issue. In fact, it may encourage people to use Torpedo more often.

Simply idle speculation, you can put the pitchforks down now.

doffingcomrade

scurry5 wrote: »

Although it might result in seeing BoPs with single BO to blow down a facing combined with 3 torp launchers.....

I don't see the problem with this: It is not as if you cannot react to incoming torpedoes. There's a skill giving massive amounts of kinetic resist for covering exactly this situation...