To those of you who talk as if your really Klingons you can go back to your mom's basement now with your fake Spock ears, your "I heart Kirk" t shirts, and blow up dolls dressed up like Klingon women, this topic is for us adults.
To the rest of you, yes the whole fed/kdf war thing was good for awhile but it has outlived it's usefulness. A mmo game is not like a tv show or movie series where you can keep beating the same dead horse, you have hundreds to thousands of people playing and they are only going to keep playing if new stuff is added. As I've said before, once you get past the timeline thing which explains why the war started then get past the Klingon war episode missions this "war" just drops off the map with little to no mention of it in the other episode missions and then you get to end game stuff, New Romulus, Defera, Nukara, the special task force missions, all this cross faction stuff where feds, Klingons, and romulan republic factions are working together
I see you have no childish insults for people who RP as Federation folks. Hmm.
I do not care if the FED and KDF are allies, but it would be nice to be able to invite them to private rooms, teams and other events that are segregated in game as is. With the FED allied Roms, you can go do Rom missions, you may not be able to pick them up or turn them in, but at least you can go do them, why can't it be the same with KDF. I had 5 KDF toons to start off with, now I only have 2 and my main reason for wanting to play KDF was the BoP, now I have a Rom with one that can share all the resources I have on my FED toons and do things with my FED friends.
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LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
Each new toon you start off begins in the year 2409. There is a state of tension between the Federation and the Klingon Empire; it does not break out into all-out war, else the mission you have to take the ambassador from Vulcan to P'jem would find P'jem slagged by a Klingon attack fleet, not two groups of three outdated B'rels trying to impose a blockade (and demanding to board your ship, not just trying to blow you out of the sky the moment you show up).
As you advance through the game, you can see Starfleet and the KDF learning more and more about why the Khitomer accords fell apart; there is also the beginning of cooperative action in the area of Mol'Rihan, as the new Romulan Republic extends olive branches to both sides. This leads to greater cooperation between the two groups in action against the True Way in the area of Bajor, culminating in the creation of Task Force Omega - a group composed of the best of both Starfleet and KDF, fighting to protect the galaxy against creatures that are the enemy of both. By the time your toon reaches Captain, there is effectively a cease-fire in place; by Admiral rank, the war is essentially over (although of course there will be occasional noble Houses or rogue Starfleeters who refuse to honor the cease-fire, and who must be put down like the mad dogs they are...).
There's really no need to update the story to end the war at the introductory level, unless you want low-levels to be in Delta Quadrant when that finally gets opened.
There is no USSR though as it has been around since 1998/99.
However, there's more than a slight resemblance between the Fed/Klink situation and the Cold War here on Earth. It's not a shooting war, it's mostly propaganda and trying to pry allies away from one side or the other - until B'vat dies, and the House of Torg loses influence, and relations between the two become more cordial...
There is no USSR though as it has been around since 1998/99.
How long does the Klingon empire have before it runs out of resources. I would say 2 years game time next year.
A government could have been at war with a government that no longer exists. The point I was making that you seemed to have missed is that like the war between the USSR and USA, the war between the Federation and Klingon Empire is merely a cold war. The USSR has not existed since 1991 not 1998/1999.
The war is over ... STFs are cross faction, Nukara is cross faction, Enemy Mine is cross faction along with the other season 6 queued Fleet Actions and I am not sure about the latest 2 new Fleet Actions (Atmospheric and Rhi), I think the Vault Event is also cross.
The list of what isnt is growing shorter ... at this point its a farce, it exists only to explain PvP and some of the older Fleet Actions.
WHAT war? Excuse me but its kinda hard saying there is a War when Klingon ships just go casually stroll to Deep Space Nine that is a FEDERATION base and go on about ... should I start about the refurnished missions the KDF had in Cardassian space? one happens to be A New Link ... do I need to say more?
Cryptic might want to make the Federation-Klingon War their Three Hundred and Thirty Five Years' War except even more ridiculous because they cannot deliver content for two factions (let alone three), everything have been CROSS FACTION so their whole argument about being a war kinda falls short when they cannot DELIVER content to maintain such war and instead end up doing everything to team up with someone that we are supposed to be "at war with".
Its BS of the highest grade and the sad this is, I know ... you know it (yes you do), they know it and yet they continue to maintain this farce every time they actually talk about it.
No. As usual people, that have a hard time conceiving time elapsing in a game that is designed to stay visually stagnate, are calling for an end of a war that has a major role in the beginning half of this game.
Your Character went through the war in the beginning and your actions helped finally bring it to a close.
But guess what. Youre not the only character and there are new characters coming into this game all the time....All of which need to go through the same missions, and help finally bring the war to a close.
There is no USSR though as it has been around since 1998/99.
^ Umm, yeah...the USSR formally existed from December 30, 1922 - December 26, 1991. So much for the education system these days...
The USA is not at war with the USSR as there is no USSR anymore and the now Russia is a member of the G20.
I don't see why the peace accords can't renewed abivouse the Klingon Empire will be running out of resources.It is why they singed both singed the accords because the klingon Empire had 50 years of life left and that was in 2298 or so.It is well pass that and the Klingon Empire was doing fine with trade relations with the Federation.
I'd also like to point out that Russia is in no way our best friend, in fact, they are quite often working against our favor, especially when it comes to arming some of the more despotic heads of state in the world. See Iran's nuke reactor projects and the Assad Regime for more details.
^ Umm, yeah...the USSR formally existed from December 30, 1922 - December 26, 1991. So much for the education system these days...
I'd also like to point out that Russia is in no way our best friend, in fact, they are quite often working against our favor, especially when it comes to arming some of the more despotic heads of state in the world. See Iran's nuke reactor projects and the Assad Regime for more details.
:rolleyes:
It was 89 not to long after Ronald Reagan left office.
Russia may not be your best friend but you do have trade relations with them.The only time they aren't your favour that of the western world is when miltary action is needed eg Syria.When it come to trade or space they sure aren't as of right now the US is dependant on them for getting to the ISS.
I ma merely using this as an eg. what the topic is about as it said Star Trek 6 the Klingon Empire only had 50 years of life left.That was in 2298 and now it is in the 2400 even withe Gorn resources it is still not enough.
So much for having an open mind.
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Russia may not be your best friend but you do have trade relations with them.The only time they aren't your favour that of the western world is when miltary action is needed eg Syria.When it come to trade or space they sure aren't as of right now the US is dependant on them for getting to the ISS.
I ma merely using this as an eg. what the topic is about as it said Star Trek 6 the Klingon Empire only had 50 years of life left.That was in 2298 and now it is in the 2400 even withe Gorn resources it is still not enough.
So much for having an open mind.
"50 yeas of life left" aimed at the fact that the Klingon homeworld would be uninbaitable within 50 years, NOT that it would run out of raw materials. That was explicitly stated at the briefing at Starfleet Command by Spock.
To the OP, its a great idea and i do hope Cryptic will put an end to this ridiculous war. And i think plans are for this, if you take into consideration that DStahl said in the future kdf can fly fed ships and visa-versa. It will be awesome, I cant w8 to fly a BoP on my fed tac captain
Not to mention its canon also, Gul Dukat commanded a BoP for an whole seasson in DS9, same Sisko a JHAS for an episode. In the movies, Kirk had a BoP for a whole movie lol. And the other way around was seen too, even only as pretended, as Worf acted as a Galaxy ship captain in TNG.
The idea of peace with the federation is ridiculous within the confines of the STO story. A cold war maybe, but not real peace. The idea of the Federation winning the war is pure wishful thinking on the part of the fed players who think the universe revolves around them.
The Federation is thoroughly infiltrated at all levels by the Undine, and no efforts have been made by the Federation to deal with this systemically.
The Federation is fighting wars on multiple fronts. The KDF, Borg, a guerrilla war by the True Way Cardassians, A Mirror Universe incursion, hostilities with the Tal Shiar aligned Romulans. With all of these threats the Federation is spread thin. Starfleet is forced to press fresh from the academy cadets into service as starship captains (or the last surviving officer of your assigned ship if you ran the tutorial). Think about what that means for Starfleet....it is on the ropes and hard pressed for able bodies to man and command it's ships.
I agree that the story has been poorly executed, but for anyone paying attention and actually reading the mission text before clicking through it so they can go shooting stuff, will see that there IS a story such as it is.
You should realize that only your captain has seen the whole picture as far as the Iconians and Undine are concerned. The rest of the Federation is in the dark about these threats and machinations, and only see the more apparent threats of the Klingon Empire and the Borg. While the Undine may not want the Federation to lose, they certainly will not allow them to win. As long as Undine infiltrators control many of the levers of power in the Federation, it will get nowhere.
Older ships do not mean inferior ships. Starfleet has to keep creating the new ship of the week, that is likely to breakdown, or explode from a coffee spill or sneeze. Whereas the KDF has been successfully using older designs and modifying them to fit current needs or using designs from it's allies to fill specific roles. The Federation has the most ships of any faction by far, and it's proponents still are unhappy.
Lol, run out of resources... We Klingons where stripped of many resources by the Hurg invasions so we started exploring space to conquer planets that had more. Praxis exploded and changed Qo'nos for the worse during Kirks age of Star Trek, so we continued to reach further into space and conquered more worlds to fill our respurce needs. Many houses of the Empire now have whole worlds in thier grasps to fill the needs of the Empire, and still we expand.
Run out of resources?!? Lol, space is big and those resources are there for the taking.
Run out indeed.lol.
To the OP, its a great idea and i do hope Cryptic will put an end to this ridiculous war. And i think plans are for this, if you take into consideration that DStahl said in the future kdf can fly fed ships and visa-versa. It will be awesome, I cant w8 to fly a BoP on my fed tac captain
Not to mention its canon also, Gul Dukat commanded a BoP for an whole seasson in DS9, same Sisko a JHAS for an episode. In the movies, Kirk had a BoP for a whole movie lol. And the other way around was seen too, even only as pretended, as Worf acted as a Galaxy ship captain in TNG.
I don't understand how people can be so wrong these days? You want to fly a Bird of Prey of all things on your Starfleet Captain?? Let me guess, because the Federation sees alien species as prey to be hunted, right? :rolleyes:
I have a nice, beaten to death suggestion - roll a KDF char. and enjoy Birds of Prey.
It's just lovely how one episode of canon can trump a whole franchise worth of canon. So Sisko used a JHAS for 1 episode and that episode >>>> all the other ones that he commanded a Defiant?
Also, Gul Dukat at the time being was a pirate and not a member of the Cardassian fleet. He was expelled because he revealed having a half-Bajoran daughter. So he can fly whatever the heck he wants to, just like Mudd or Cyrano Jones.
And Worf was a Starfleet Officer.
If Starfleet wanted their crews in Birds of Prey, they would make Birds of Prey. In STO you're not playing as a pirate or an outcast, you're playing as a member of Starfleet.
What you're looking for is a priate/civilian faction in STO and should start asking Cryptic for such a thing, instead of wanting to make a complete joke of the factions in STO.
bear in mind, that canon strongly suggests that by the 26th or 27th century, the Klingons are members of the Federation.
Also worth considering - that suggestion came from an alternate future that may or may not happen based on decisions made by individuals.
I'm also fairly certain that when Daniels talked to Archer on the Enterprise-J, Romulus still existed in that reality.
Furthermore, the suggestion made was very unclear as to wheather the Klingons are members of the Federation or just members of an alliance with the Federation, created to fight the Sphere Builders, something like DS9 for ex.
please dont.
queing with feds = missed optionals, failed objectives, lack of teamwork, misunderstanding of the mission objectives, and general noobishness.
im not saying all feds are noobs, but noobs do tend to gravitate toward the fed side.
I don't recall romulas being part of it, but I will give you that it could be an alliance as well.
The Romulans were not mentioned. But, that was not my point. My point was that things chage, on-screen and behind the scenes as well.
For example, I'd bet that when ENT was filmed they had no idea that Paramount would make the J.J. movies and that Kurtzman and Orci will need to blow up Romulus for the needs of that movie. That's why I said in that future, probably Romulus was there.
The idea is, things change and what was seen was just a glimpse of one possible reality, that may or may not happen.
Thats why I hate the time-traveling BS, it always is a mess, needs to be retconed at a certain point, usually ends in a less than entertaining way and gives me headaches..
The war is over ... STFs are cross faction, Nukara is cross faction, Enemy Mine is cross faction along with the other season 6 queued Fleet Actions and I am not sure about the latest 2 new Fleet Actions (Atmospheric and Rhi), I think the Vault Event is also cross.
The list of what isnt is growing shorter ... at this point its a farce, it exists only to explain PvP and some of the older Fleet Actions.
WHAT war? Excuse me but its kinda hard saying there is a War when Klingon ships just go casually stroll to Deep Space Nine that is a FEDERATION base and go on about ... should I start about the refurnished missions the KDF had in Cardassian space? one happens to be A New Link ... do I need to say more?
Cryptic might want to make the Federation-Klingon War their Three Hundred and Thirty Five Years' War except even more ridiculous because they cannot deliver content for two factions (let alone three), everything have been CROSS FACTION so their whole argument about being a war kinda falls short when they cannot DELIVER content to maintain such war and instead end up doing everything to team up with someone that we are supposed to be "at war with".
Its BS of the highest grade and the sad this is, I know ... you know it (yes you do), they know it and yet they continue to maintain this farce every time they actually talk about it.
I agree with this manifesto of brilliance ^^^^^
Once the story arcs are done there is no war hell once you finish the story arcs about the klink fed war its over its rarley if ever mentioned after.
The fact is the fed klink war is like a tutorial for beginners it sets the tone and mood for the game but once your past that arc its finished.
Should cryptic make a story arc formaly making peace? yes that would help move the iconian/borg/undine\ plots along.
as it is right now once your past the arc thats pretty much the end of the "War" STFs for the most part is cross faction.
For a "War" there is alot of cooperation between the 2 factions no?
but currently the kdf can pug, and pug well. whether that be fleet actions, pvp, it really doesnt matter. kdf pugging is nothing like fed pugging. i really dont want to see that 'nerfed'.
The Klingons see honor in victory, Starfleet is not prepared to do what must be done, hit the Klingons full force and occupy the Klingon homeworld, then peace can happen on federation terms.
Jm'pok is a loose cannon and a threat to the quadrant, remove him and have friendlier government installed.
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
The Klingons see honor in victory, Starfleet is not prepared to do what must be done, hit the Klingons full force and occupy the Klingon homeworld, then peace can happen on federation terms.
Jm'pok is a loose cannon and a threat to the quadrant, remove him and have friendlier government installed.
Sounds like a job for Section 31. I'm on it!
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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I see you have no childish insults for people who RP as Federation folks. Hmm.
You got something against role-playing?
I RP as a Gorn in STO. If he has something against RP... I make him talk to my friend S'kaa when he can see what a Gorn can do with a sword in PvP
There is no USSR though as it has been around since 1998/99.
How long does the Klingon empire have before it runs out of resources. I would say 2 years game time next year.
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LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
Each new toon you start off begins in the year 2409. There is a state of tension between the Federation and the Klingon Empire; it does not break out into all-out war, else the mission you have to take the ambassador from Vulcan to P'jem would find P'jem slagged by a Klingon attack fleet, not two groups of three outdated B'rels trying to impose a blockade (and demanding to board your ship, not just trying to blow you out of the sky the moment you show up).
As you advance through the game, you can see Starfleet and the KDF learning more and more about why the Khitomer accords fell apart; there is also the beginning of cooperative action in the area of Mol'Rihan, as the new Romulan Republic extends olive branches to both sides. This leads to greater cooperation between the two groups in action against the True Way in the area of Bajor, culminating in the creation of Task Force Omega - a group composed of the best of both Starfleet and KDF, fighting to protect the galaxy against creatures that are the enemy of both. By the time your toon reaches Captain, there is effectively a cease-fire in place; by Admiral rank, the war is essentially over (although of course there will be occasional noble Houses or rogue Starfleeters who refuse to honor the cease-fire, and who must be put down like the mad dogs they are...).
There's really no need to update the story to end the war at the introductory level, unless you want low-levels to be in Delta Quadrant when that finally gets opened.
A government could have been at war with a government that no longer exists. The point I was making that you seemed to have missed is that like the war between the USSR and USA, the war between the Federation and Klingon Empire is merely a cold war. The USSR has not existed since 1991 not 1998/1999.
It is sad I think the same.
lolwut??
AKA... Dry Out of Content
How can we be dry out of content, when it's a safe bet that most of the content in the future will be cross-faction with minor adjustments??
Besides, the KDF exclusive content we have is great, pure epicness!
No. As usual people, that have a hard time conceiving time elapsing in a game that is designed to stay visually stagnate, are calling for an end of a war that has a major role in the beginning half of this game.
Your Character went through the war in the beginning and your actions helped finally bring it to a close.
But guess what. Youre not the only character and there are new characters coming into this game all the time....All of which need to go through the same missions, and help finally bring the war to a close.
I'd also like to point out that Russia is in no way our best friend, in fact, they are quite often working against our favor, especially when it comes to arming some of the more despotic heads of state in the world. See Iran's nuke reactor projects and the Assad Regime for more details.
:rolleyes:
Russia may not be your best friend but you do have trade relations with them.The only time they aren't your favour that of the western world is when miltary action is needed eg Syria.When it come to trade or space they sure aren't as of right now the US is dependant on them for getting to the ISS.
I ma merely using this as an eg. what the topic is about as it said Star Trek 6 the Klingon Empire only had 50 years of life left.That was in 2298 and now it is in the 2400 even withe Gorn resources it is still not enough.
So much for having an open mind.
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how can you get such a simple fact so incredibly wrong?
It's 26.12.1991.
Gorbachev was in ofice from 25 May 1989 till 15 March 1990 long after the supposedly collapsed based on your faulty nonsense.
"50 yeas of life left" aimed at the fact that the Klingon homeworld would be uninbaitable within 50 years, NOT that it would run out of raw materials. That was explicitly stated at the briefing at Starfleet Command by Spock.
Not to mention its canon also, Gul Dukat commanded a BoP for an whole seasson in DS9, same Sisko a JHAS for an episode. In the movies, Kirk had a BoP for a whole movie lol. And the other way around was seen too, even only as pretended, as Worf acted as a Galaxy ship captain in TNG.
The Federation is thoroughly infiltrated at all levels by the Undine, and no efforts have been made by the Federation to deal with this systemically.
The Federation is fighting wars on multiple fronts. The KDF, Borg, a guerrilla war by the True Way Cardassians, A Mirror Universe incursion, hostilities with the Tal Shiar aligned Romulans. With all of these threats the Federation is spread thin. Starfleet is forced to press fresh from the academy cadets into service as starship captains (or the last surviving officer of your assigned ship if you ran the tutorial). Think about what that means for Starfleet....it is on the ropes and hard pressed for able bodies to man and command it's ships.
I agree that the story has been poorly executed, but for anyone paying attention and actually reading the mission text before clicking through it so they can go shooting stuff, will see that there IS a story such as it is.
You should realize that only your captain has seen the whole picture as far as the Iconians and Undine are concerned. The rest of the Federation is in the dark about these threats and machinations, and only see the more apparent threats of the Klingon Empire and the Borg. While the Undine may not want the Federation to lose, they certainly will not allow them to win. As long as Undine infiltrators control many of the levers of power in the Federation, it will get nowhere.
Older ships do not mean inferior ships. Starfleet has to keep creating the new ship of the week, that is likely to breakdown, or explode from a coffee spill or sneeze. Whereas the KDF has been successfully using older designs and modifying them to fit current needs or using designs from it's allies to fill specific roles. The Federation has the most ships of any faction by far, and it's proponents still are unhappy.
Run out of resources?!? Lol, space is big and those resources are there for the taking.
Run out indeed.lol.
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I don't understand how people can be so wrong these days? You want to fly a Bird of Prey of all things on your Starfleet Captain?? Let me guess, because the Federation sees alien species as prey to be hunted, right? :rolleyes:
I have a nice, beaten to death suggestion - roll a KDF char. and enjoy Birds of Prey.
It's just lovely how one episode of canon can trump a whole franchise worth of canon. So Sisko used a JHAS for 1 episode and that episode >>>> all the other ones that he commanded a Defiant?
Also, Gul Dukat at the time being was a pirate and not a member of the Cardassian fleet. He was expelled because he revealed having a half-Bajoran daughter. So he can fly whatever the heck he wants to, just like Mudd or Cyrano Jones.
And Worf was a Starfleet Officer.
If Starfleet wanted their crews in Birds of Prey, they would make Birds of Prey. In STO you're not playing as a pirate or an outcast, you're playing as a member of Starfleet.
What you're looking for is a priate/civilian faction in STO and should start asking Cryptic for such a thing, instead of wanting to make a complete joke of the factions in STO.
Also worth considering - that suggestion came from an alternate future that may or may not happen based on decisions made by individuals.
I'm also fairly certain that when Daniels talked to Archer on the Enterprise-J, Romulus still existed in that reality.
Furthermore, the suggestion made was very unclear as to wheather the Klingons are members of the Federation or just members of an alliance with the Federation, created to fight the Sphere Builders, something like DS9 for ex.
queing with feds = missed optionals, failed objectives, lack of teamwork, misunderstanding of the mission objectives, and general noobishness.
im not saying all feds are noobs, but noobs do tend to gravitate toward the fed side.
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The Romulans were not mentioned. But, that was not my point. My point was that things chage, on-screen and behind the scenes as well.
For example, I'd bet that when ENT was filmed they had no idea that Paramount would make the J.J. movies and that Kurtzman and Orci will need to blow up Romulus for the needs of that movie. That's why I said in that future, probably Romulus was there.
The idea is, things change and what was seen was just a glimpse of one possible reality, that may or may not happen.
Thats why I hate the time-traveling BS, it always is a mess, needs to be retconed at a certain point, usually ends in a less than entertaining way and gives me headaches..
I agree with this manifesto of brilliance ^^^^^
Once the story arcs are done there is no war hell once you finish the story arcs about the klink fed war its over its rarley if ever mentioned after.
The fact is the fed klink war is like a tutorial for beginners it sets the tone and mood for the game but once your past that arc its finished.
Should cryptic make a story arc formaly making peace? yes that would help move the iconian/borg/undine\ plots along.
as it is right now once your past the arc thats pretty much the end of the "War" STFs for the most part is cross faction.
For a "War" there is alot of cooperation between the 2 factions no?
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Jm'pok is a loose cannon and a threat to the quadrant, remove him and have friendlier government installed.
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