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Team vote kick: A discussion
dahminus
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Team vote kick; a can of worms you say? I say it's a can of gummy worms!
Would the introduction of a team vote kick button ruin the world of pugging? I am here to put forth the argument that no, it will not and that it will improve it.
The community of star trek online is quote easily one of the most friendly and helpful bunch of gamers that I have had the pleasure of being a part of. That said, we have a few bad eggs that could abuse this power. To this I say, 1 or even 2 people would not be able to kick someone. It would take 3 people vote kicking to knock someone out of a group or 6 in a 10 man group and so forth. Being that the trolls only have power when other trolls are present, there is little threat of being kicked when contributing.
STO does not have an in game dps meter. You are not evaluated by the dps you do, the healing thrown out or the hits you take. If your flying around and clearly participating, the kick hammer will rarely a swing your way.
Participation...you queue an stf to get marks, dilithium and borg neural processors; possibly to enjoy the game as well. It takes people firing their weapons to bring something down, for two-four people doing the work, looking over to see a leech going afk the entire stf. It leave a a bad taste in their mouth. Those afkers are making the match longer by not contributing anything, they should be kicked like they deserve.
Tl:dr. Team vote kick would add more to the game then loose, let the hating commence
Would the introduction of a team vote kick button ruin the world of pugging? I am here to put forth the argument that no, it will not and that it will improve it.
The community of star trek online is quote easily one of the most friendly and helpful bunch of gamers that I have had the pleasure of being a part of. That said, we have a few bad eggs that could abuse this power. To this I say, 1 or even 2 people would not be able to kick someone. It would take 3 people vote kicking to knock someone out of a group or 6 in a 10 man group and so forth. Being that the trolls only have power when other trolls are present, there is little threat of being kicked when contributing.
STO does not have an in game dps meter. You are not evaluated by the dps you do, the healing thrown out or the hits you take. If your flying around and clearly participating, the kick hammer will rarely a swing your way.
Participation...you queue an stf to get marks, dilithium and borg neural processors; possibly to enjoy the game as well. It takes people firing their weapons to bring something down, for two-four people doing the work, looking over to see a leech going afk the entire stf. It leave a a bad taste in their mouth. Those afkers are making the match longer by not contributing anything, they should be kicked like they deserve.
Tl:dr. Team vote kick would add more to the game then loose, let the hating commence
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While I have encountered a very few actual AFK/leechers, I do know they are out their I just don't see them as that big of an issue and VtK is a big can of worms that should never be opened.
Only exception: when I queue for an Elite, and Cryptic annoyingly has me join an already in-progress, failed Optional, mission, then I should have the right to leave with impunity.
Zactly. Despite people persistently denying it, loot most certainly depends on DPS, for one. In fact, these days, when I'm in a bad pug, I ere rejoice, as I know I'll be getting like a 115 Marks and 11 Neural processors. :P Seriously, in a weak team, the game thinks you did pretty good, and rewards you accordingly.
I would much prefer the option to not be teamed with anyone I have set on "ignore". If everyone added leechers to their ignore list whenever they came across them, the leechers would eventually end up with no one to play with. Any elitists who ignore everyone that has MK XI equipment would also eventually end up with no one to play with.
I also say that anyone who disagrees with the above is obviously an AFK LEECHER who doesn't want to earn his keep.
:P
Only a Sith deals in absolu...
Sorry, wrong forum.
Absolutely the best option. The vote thing is nothing but an abuse button. Don't believe me? Go play SWTOR. Ever since they put that damn thing in, the Que times have gone off the charts. Many times I had to log before the Que popped. Then when it does, a lot of times it was a bunch of kids just queuing people in, then kicking them for laughs. PVE instances have become a thing only guild members can do together without being kicked. Then of course it means signing up for the instance 2 weeks in advance on the forums, and for what? The chance I might get a helmet?
Nah, I think people would still care. Leechers make the mission harder to complete, so the honest players are getting less rewards for the time regardless. And even if this weren't true, most people resent working for something while someone else gets the same thing for free.
Thanks for not adding anything to the discussion. I always complete my runs, 20k dps carries will carry any group. This isn't about not getting through them, but carrying undeserving leechers
This about slackers getting a free ride when the run can go faster, slackers that get a something for doing nothing and slackers that are tarnishing an otherwise fun event. This is about kicking useless slackers so they don't reap the benefits of other players.
I understand that people as a whole are closed minded and prefer to go with idioms "I have a sandwich, so you can be starving," but cmon, the leecher problem is there and shouldn't be swept under the rug because you don't need to experience it
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so how to you like kick vote idea now
Anyone that ticked off about this needs psychological counseling.... not a vote-to-kick feature.
Where do ya work man? Would love to work with ya, you do 100% of the work, I chill out all day and if anyone asks....we'll say we did it 50/50. I'm sure you wouldn't mind, right?
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Everyone knows a vote-kick system *could* be exploited. However the current system *is* being exploited.
It's a question of which is worse.
The problem of the current system is that exploiting it does two things - griefs other users and gives a benefit to the griefer. Exploiting the vote-kick only does on - griefs other users.
Any given user can freely exploit the current system. It takes a number of them acting in concert to exploit the vote-kick system.
Logically, fewer exploits will happen with the vote-kick system.
I will take that chance. AFK Leechers can be given no quarter.
Actually it was quite badly abused. If you were actually there you would know that
There is no 'potential' for abuse. It would be abused, period. It would cause more problems than it solved and would only end up being removed
The solution to the problem is simple: make your own groups and don't pug.
If thats your idea of 'logic' you are clearly no vulcan. Logically it will be exploited from the instant it was implemented, would cause significant abuse and would quickly be removed because of it. Just as it has in every other game that every tried to implement anything like that
More so than you, apparently. I said vote-kick would result in less abuse than the current system, and gave some reasons why. You are relying on nothing more than assertion to say that it would be more abused.
Apparently you're unaware that WoW has had vote-kick for years without 'quickly being removed,'
Code to measure participation *is* biased. It's been tried and it's a tricky implementation to get right. Look at how much trouble they have getting the rankings right in fleet actions. Participation would have to leverage the same kind of scoring system, and it's already not working well.
Participation metrics may stop people from going completely AFK. They won't stop people from griefing by gaming the metrics. And you'll create an entirely new problem when people who are participating don't get rewards because the metric doesn't work perfectly.
Make it a selectable option filter in the queue menu. You can either PUG missions with a vote to kick option, or without it.
Then we'll see which option is more popular, and how much this potential abuse actually happens.
Define "participate" in clear and unequivocal terms and I'll show you how the system doesn't work.
If you can't, then you don't have a system. You just have wishful thinking. The equivalent of "Prevent bad people from logging in, then the game is better. Very simple."
But what kind of code would it need to be? Checking every 30 seconds if a action was made? Actually I like that idea
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Create macro that toggles an activity every 29 seconds.
Exploit achieved.