About Gelpacks: apparently it's relatively easy to get them to interface with the standard positron computers that the Federation used.
No doubt of that, but the problem is they've been shown to be integrated throughout the entire ship - not just within consoles, but behind wall panels, in the Jeffries Tubes, you name it. It was the same with Isolinear chips...they seem to be components of just about everything.
So swapping the bridge module out to upgrade from Isolinear chips to gel packs isn't going to speed up the upgrade process too much, since you're going to have to gut the entire ship anyways.
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No doubt of that, but the problem is they've been shown to be integrated throughout the entire ship - not just within consoles, but behind wall panels, in the Jeffries Tubes, you name it. It was the same with Isolinear chips...they seem to be components of just about everything.
So swapping the bridge module out to upgrade from Isolinear chips to gel packs isn't going to speed up the upgrade process too much, since you're going to have to gut the entire ship anyways.
No, what I was getting at is that you can get consoles that use Isolinear chips to work with consoles that use gelpacks. Heck they even did it with Seven's Borg stuff....
Thus you don't need to upgrade everything to use a few computers that have gelpacks.
Thus you don't need to upgrade everything to use a few computers that have gelpacks.
Ah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I could see that working, but I could also see to it leading to problems with bottlenecks in the ship's systems. Assuming the gel packs are significantly faster and more efficient than chips, it would likely lead to some efficiency challenges in the ship as a whole as the systems work together.
...can I just say how much I enjoy ridiculous conversations like this?
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Well the faster parts can be throttled down to match the slower parts. But... if MOST of the ship has gelpacks you don't want to throttle down the entire ship. So in that case you'd want to put in peices that have gelpacks or isolinear systems that can match their speed.
However, if the new bits are faster than the old... enh... no big deal.
I think you're misinterpreting me. Though it's true I've never worked on aircraft. . . (though I do work with modular bits all day every day).
I think the idea, in general, is sound. I can see how it would be useful to swap out the entire bridge cake on one ship for a new one if sufficient advances had been made.
My beef is that it doesn't go far enough. If you're going to have a modular bridge system, you would make those parts interchangeable between multiple different ships. I think being able to take a damaged bridge off of an Intrepid, and stick on a functional bridge from a retired Galaxy, would be great.
As for Bio-Neural Gel packs, my point there is that sure, you might save a day or two doing the bridge, but those gel packs are laced throughout the ship, and you will have weeks, or months doing the rest. That tiny savings hardly seems worth all of the crazy over-engineering necessary to make a modular bridge in the first place. If you already had the tech, sure, I would gladly use it.
Fair enough.
In reguards to your beef with the bridge, well, we can take that two ways. In-universe, yes making one bridge form to rule them all would make sense, and if you carry that out to the logical conclusion, you should make the entire ship modular, so that whenever something new comes out, you can build a new module and swap it out with the old. But starfleet ships seem to be designed by humans, or at least designed based on patterns created by humans, and humans are not logical, as Spock so often points out. Humans, and probably most other species in Star Trek, balance a lot of things when designed things like ships, some logical, like modular components, and some not, like making sure that they can point ot something, say I made that, and know that no one else can mistake it for anything else. So yes, while Galaxy bridges are modular, they can't fit on an Interpid, because the guy who designed the Interpid said I want my own bridge.
Plus, in a universe of replicators and transporters, it doesn't really matter if every ship in the fleet had a different bridge, you can just replicate up a new one.
Out of Universe, a galaxy and interpid have different bridges because the producers wanted everyone to know that Star Trek Voyager was on, not Star Trek The Next Generation with strange people.
As for the gel packs, now you're not following the idea through. If you have a modular bridge, replicator and transporter technology, why not make every major system of the ship modular? If the ship needs a computer upgrade, just beam out the computer core, all of the standard interface iso chips, the bridge, maybe engineering, sicence labs, etc, and beam in the new stuff. You wouldn't even need to open up the hull. Or, if that much transporter use is prohibitive, you could make the stuff near the outside, like the bridge, fully modular, and the stuff inside as modular as it could be. Pack all of your iso chips in one box, and design their gel pack replacement to fit int he same box. Again, just like most modern computers. Yes at the end of the day, someone needs to be crawling around, but honestly, in most applications, if you can save a day every time you do something, and its not a one off, its probably worth the over-engineering to do so.
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No doubt of that, but the problem is they've been shown to be integrated throughout the entire ship - not just within consoles, but behind wall panels, in the Jeffries Tubes, you name it. It was the same with Isolinear chips...they seem to be components of just about everything.
So swapping the bridge module out to upgrade from Isolinear chips to gel packs isn't going to speed up the upgrade process too much, since you're going to have to gut the entire ship anyways.
Thus you don't need to upgrade everything to use a few computers that have gelpacks.
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Ah, I see what you're saying.
Yeah, I could see that working, but I could also see to it leading to problems with bottlenecks in the ship's systems. Assuming the gel packs are significantly faster and more efficient than chips, it would likely lead to some efficiency challenges in the ship as a whole as the systems work together.
...can I just say how much I enjoy ridiculous conversations like this?
However, if the new bits are faster than the old... enh... no big deal.
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Fair enough.
In reguards to your beef with the bridge, well, we can take that two ways. In-universe, yes making one bridge form to rule them all would make sense, and if you carry that out to the logical conclusion, you should make the entire ship modular, so that whenever something new comes out, you can build a new module and swap it out with the old. But starfleet ships seem to be designed by humans, or at least designed based on patterns created by humans, and humans are not logical, as Spock so often points out. Humans, and probably most other species in Star Trek, balance a lot of things when designed things like ships, some logical, like modular components, and some not, like making sure that they can point ot something, say I made that, and know that no one else can mistake it for anything else. So yes, while Galaxy bridges are modular, they can't fit on an Interpid, because the guy who designed the Interpid said I want my own bridge.
Plus, in a universe of replicators and transporters, it doesn't really matter if every ship in the fleet had a different bridge, you can just replicate up a new one.
Out of Universe, a galaxy and interpid have different bridges because the producers wanted everyone to know that Star Trek Voyager was on, not Star Trek The Next Generation with strange people.
As for the gel packs, now you're not following the idea through. If you have a modular bridge, replicator and transporter technology, why not make every major system of the ship modular? If the ship needs a computer upgrade, just beam out the computer core, all of the standard interface iso chips, the bridge, maybe engineering, sicence labs, etc, and beam in the new stuff. You wouldn't even need to open up the hull. Or, if that much transporter use is prohibitive, you could make the stuff near the outside, like the bridge, fully modular, and the stuff inside as modular as it could be. Pack all of your iso chips in one box, and design their gel pack replacement to fit int he same box. Again, just like most modern computers. Yes at the end of the day, someone needs to be crawling around, but honestly, in most applications, if you can save a day every time you do something, and its not a one off, its probably worth the over-engineering to do so.
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