Good Lord, my Vesta looks like the Scimitar's Captain's Yacht up underneath it. Its dwarfing every Fed ship. I could be persuaded to buy something to stand next to the Scimitar Fed side, since I have no interest in buying an ugly villain ship Scimitar. You guys love selling ships. Might I suggest going with a fan vote for this since it will be a Cryptic design, you dont want to make something fugly that wont sell. I suggest mocking up a few ideas in house and submit them to the forums to see which idea will sell the most 3 packs. Let the community in on the ship design fun.
STO: @AGNT009 Since Dec 2010
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
Size matters not. If you are happy with how your Vesta performs why do you want to play a colossal target?
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Good Lord, my Vesta looks like the Scimitar's Captain's Yacht up underneath it. Its dwarfing every Fed ship. I could be persuaded to buy something to stand next to the Scimitar Fed side, since I have no interest in buying an ugly villain ship Scimitar. You guys love selling ships. Might I suggest going with a fan vote for this since it will be a Cryptic design, you dont want to make something fugly that wont sell. I suggest mocking up a few ideas in house and submit them to the forums to see which idea will sell the most 3 packs. Let the community in on the ship design fun.
The Odyssey is the fed answer to the Scimitar, just as the Bortasqu' is for the Klingons.
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I havnt seen an Odyssey right up next to a Scimitar yet. I dont own a whale. But the Odyssey was specifically stated not to be a warship, but an Explorer design. I see nothing wrong with a giant killer Tac heavy ship. Perhaps something that resembles a big Manta Ray?
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Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
I havnt seen an Odyssey right up next to a Scimitar yet. I dont own a whale. But the Odyssey was specifically stated not to be a warship, but an Explorer design. I see nothing wrong with a giant killer Tac heavy ship. Perhaps something that resembles a big Manta Ray?
It's not a question of it being a "killer Tac heavy ship" as you put it, it is an issue of it being the Flagship class for the faction.
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But as stated above you the scim is not the romulan flagship.
Dreadnought, flagship, whatever.
Point is, the Odyssey and the Atrox are the two biggest Fed ships, but if you're looking for a "killer heavy tac ship" as the OP stated it, then you're going to be disappointed because the Feds:
A) Don't build warships (they build escorts :cool:) They already have a Dreadnought cruiser (Galaxy-X)
C) You already have three 5-tac console ships in your arsenal, on top of a whole host of very nice ships in other classes.
So if your only goal is to fly a big-TRIBBLE combat ship, then I suggest you check the threads on fitting a tac-Odyssey.
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And to get that through your thick skulls, there shouldn't be an answer.
How is the game made better by creating duplicates of everything one factions has for another faction? Why bother having factions at all then? What the hell is so wrong with having different factions be, I don't know, different?
I get so sick of these "Waah, they got this so now we should get this too!" forum posts.
Point is, the Odyssey and the Atrox are the two biggest Fed ships, but if you're looking for a "killer heavy tac ship" as the OP stated it, then you're going to be disappointed because the Feds:
A) Don't build warships (they build escorts :cool:) They already have a Dreadnought cruiser (Galaxy-X)
C) You already have two 5-tac console ships in your arsenal, on top of a whole host of very nice ships in other classes.
So if your only goal is to fly a big-TRIBBLE combat ship, then I suggest you check the threads on fitting a tac-Odyssey.
The Jupiter class is often asked for and from what is said about it in those threads it would fill a very similar role for the feds that scim does for the romulans.
Personally I'm not a big fan of the look of the Jupiter but maybe if cryptic created some nicer variations we could kitbash with.
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A) Don't build warships (they build escorts :cool:)
That however, is a decidedly semantic argument. Nearly every ship to come out of the Anti-Borg Taskforce development pipeline (Defiant, Saber, Norway, Steamrunner, Akira) was a warship.
That however, is a decidedly semantic argument. Nearly every ship to come out of the Anti-Borg Taskforce development pipeline (Defiant, Saber, Norway, Steamrunner, Akira) was a warship.
You realize that all of the ships you just listed were escorts, right? That is exactly what he said, they build escorts instead of warships.
Thats the whole point. When Starfleet wants to build a tactical heavy ship, they build a small, incredibly powerful and maneuverable combat vessel, this is what they focus on.
This is why people should stop asking for a federation battle cruiser. It is completely against the style and flavour of the federation. Besides, Starfleet already has a big selection of the most powerful escorts in the game, they are far from weak.
C) You already have two 5-tac console ships in your arsenal, on top of a whole host of very nice ships in other classes.
So if your only goal is to fly a big-TRIBBLE combat ship, then I suggest you check the threads on fitting a tac-Odyssey.
Two things.
First off, federation has THREE 5-tac console escorts available.
FTER, FAE, Kumari
Second, the sci oddy has a great ability in that it gets the passive +dmg ability of science ships that more than makes up for 1 less tac console than the science one. Giant warships and battle cruisers are not in the federation flavour, but with that in mind, the federation can fly some other ships that fit that role brilliantly. You want to fly a huge ship with huge tac power, pick up a Jem Hadar dread, Adapted Battlecruiser or a Recluse.
The Jupiter class is often asked for and from what is said about it in those threads it would fill a very similar role for the feds that scim does for the romulans.
Personally I'm not a big fan of the look of the Jupiter but maybe if cryptic created some nicer variations we could kitbash with.
People have been asking for the Jupiter and the Typhoon since the game came out but you haven't seen them in game yet.
Personally I hope to never see the Jupiter, and I don't think we'll ever see it simply because it has mostly been phased out in the missions and locations where it was seen. Though there are one or two exceptions to this, most of the ship's appearances have been replaced by the Galaxy-X.
It's far from a semantic distinction, especially with the fact that a Romulan Flagship is making its way through the development cycle right now.
If it's true that they're making a Romulan Flagship to be a parallel to the Fed and KDF ones, then I would pretty surprised given what's already available and what role the "Flagship" would fill in terms of both capability and unused Boff layouts.
That however, is a decidedly semantic argument. Nearly every ship to come out of the Anti-Borg Taskforce development pipeline (Defiant, Saber, Norway, Steamrunner, Akira) was a warship.
Well it's a good thing that semantics are important in Star Trek. :P
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Second, the sci oddy has a great ability in that it gets the passive +dmg ability of science ships that more than makes up for 1 less tac console than the science one. Giant warships and battle cruisers are not in the federation flavour, but with that in mind, the federation can fly some other ships that fit that role brilliantly. You want to fly a huge ship with huge tac power, pick up a Jem Hadar dread, Adapted Battlecruiser or a Recluse.
While I was referring to the Captain class (sorry for not being clear there), it actually depends the gear that you put on the ship, specifically in the console slots. Putting purple Mk 12 consoles for damage will come to an eventual even wash (assuming that the Sci dmg ability cap is still at +30% and wasn't changed while I was gone), however it takes time to get up to that stacked up to how you need it, and while you wait it means that you're either wasting your buffs not maxed out, or killing time waiting to get maxed out, therefore making the Tac-Odyssey the better choice if damage dealing is your goal.
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Theres gotta be a modern day Prime Universe admiral Marcus that feels the need to have a TRIBBLE measuring contest with the Thalaron equipped Scimitars. They are a threat to the Federation! Cryptic had to expect this. You cant put a ship out that dwarfs everything in the game and not expect Starship envy. And ship sales keep the game going, we're running out of IP ships, so why not create a Fed beast warship? Its not like the ships adhere to any logic any more what with time ships and illegal Thalaron weapons in players hands now.
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Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
And I dont want an Andorian or Caitian design. If Cryptic wants another $50 outta me, give me a beefy warship that LOOKS like a Starfleet design. I refuse to fly the whale Odyssey. I want something better. And if its designed right, SOLD!
And Im not even a ship floosie. All Ive paid for so far is TOS Connie, Gal X, Venture Class, Regent Class, Vesta 3 pack, D'Deridex Retrofit.
STO: @AGNT009 Since Dec 2010
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
And I dont want an Andorian or Caitian design. If Cryptic wants another $50 outta me, give me a beefy warship that LOOKS like a Starfleet design. I refuse to fly the whale Odyssey. I want something better. And if its designed right, SOLD!
And Im not even a ship floosie. All Ive paid for so far is TOS Connie, Gal X, Venture Class, Regent Class, Vesta 3 pack, D'Deridex Retrofit.
I want KDF ships, you dont see me getting KDF ships.
And I dont want an Andorian or Caitian design. If Cryptic wants another $50 outta me, give me a beefy warship that LOOKS like a Starfleet design. I refuse to fly the whale Odyssey. I want something better. And if its designed right, SOLD!
And Im not even a ship floosie. All Ive paid for so far is TOS Connie, Gal X, Venture Class, Regent Class, Vesta 3 pack, D'Deridex Retrofit.
Like it or not, but the fed don't build huge warship. They make small escort. Or big explorer ship.
If you want to fly huge warship, play rom or KDF, but then, don't ask for big exploration ship.
That however, is a decidedly semantic argument. Nearly every ship to come out of the Anti-Borg Taskforce development pipeline (Defiant, Saber, Norway, Steamrunner, Akira) was a warship.
You realize that all of the ships you just listed were escorts, right? That is exactly what he said, they build escorts instead of warships.
Thats the whole point. When Starfleet wants to build a tactical heavy ship, they build a small, incredibly powerful and maneuverable combat vessel, this is what they focus on.
This is why people should stop asking for a federation battle cruiser. It is completely against the style and flavour of the federation. Besides, Starfleet already has a big selection of the most powerful escorts in the game, they are far from weak.
The Sovereign class would like to have a word with you both...just sayin.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
i wont a new kdf 3 pack or a fleet Kar'fi will keep me content the cash is waiting to be spent in my bank account its just sitting there saying spend me.
Thats the whole point. When Starfleet wants to build a tactical heavy ship, they build a small, incredibly powerful and maneuverable combat vessel, this is what they focus on.
Both the Akira and the Prometheus classes pushed 500m in length. That's 2-3 times the size of the Defiant, and comparable to classes like the Excelsior or Constellation.
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The Odyssey is the fed answer to the Scimitar, just as the Bortasqu' is for the Klingons.
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Incorrect. The Odyssey and Bortas are the flagship classes for their respective factions. The Scimitar is *not* the Romulan flagship.
It's not a question of it being a "killer Tac heavy ship" as you put it, it is an issue of it being the Flagship class for the faction.
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But as stated above you the scim is not the romulan flagship.
Bleed Green and Gold
Answer: A flyable DS9.
(I'm mostly kidding...I recall having something like this on Bridge Commander).
Dreadnought, flagship, whatever.
Point is, the Odyssey and the Atrox are the two biggest Fed ships, but if you're looking for a "killer heavy tac ship" as the OP stated it, then you're going to be disappointed because the Feds:
A) Don't build warships (they build escorts :cool:)
C) You already have three 5-tac console ships in your arsenal, on top of a whole host of very nice ships in other classes.
So if your only goal is to fly a big-TRIBBLE combat ship, then I suggest you check the threads on fitting a tac-Odyssey.
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And to get that through your thick skulls, there shouldn't be an answer.
How is the game made better by creating duplicates of everything one factions has for another faction? Why bother having factions at all then? What the hell is so wrong with having different factions be, I don't know, different?
I get so sick of these "Waah, they got this so now we should get this too!" forum posts.
Kindly disregard thread.
The Jupiter class is often asked for and from what is said about it in those threads it would fill a very similar role for the feds that scim does for the romulans.
Personally I'm not a big fan of the look of the Jupiter but maybe if cryptic created some nicer variations we could kitbash with.
Bleed Green and Gold
It's far from a semantic distinction, especially with the fact that a Romulan Flagship is making its way through the development cycle right now.
That however, is a decidedly semantic argument. Nearly every ship to come out of the Anti-Borg Taskforce development pipeline (Defiant, Saber, Norway, Steamrunner, Akira) was a warship.
You realize that all of the ships you just listed were escorts, right? That is exactly what he said, they build escorts instead of warships.
Thats the whole point. When Starfleet wants to build a tactical heavy ship, they build a small, incredibly powerful and maneuverable combat vessel, this is what they focus on.
This is why people should stop asking for a federation battle cruiser. It is completely against the style and flavour of the federation. Besides, Starfleet already has a big selection of the most powerful escorts in the game, they are far from weak.
Two things.
First off, federation has THREE 5-tac console escorts available.
FTER, FAE, Kumari
Second, the sci oddy has a great ability in that it gets the passive +dmg ability of science ships that more than makes up for 1 less tac console than the science one. Giant warships and battle cruisers are not in the federation flavour, but with that in mind, the federation can fly some other ships that fit that role brilliantly. You want to fly a huge ship with huge tac power, pick up a Jem Hadar dread, Adapted Battlecruiser or a Recluse.
People have been asking for the Jupiter and the Typhoon since the game came out but you haven't seen them in game yet.
Personally I hope to never see the Jupiter, and I don't think we'll ever see it simply because it has mostly been phased out in the missions and locations where it was seen. Though there are one or two exceptions to this, most of the ship's appearances have been replaced by the Galaxy-X.
If it's true that they're making a Romulan Flagship to be a parallel to the Fed and KDF ones, then I would pretty surprised given what's already available and what role the "Flagship" would fill in terms of both capability and unused Boff layouts.
Well it's a good thing that semantics are important in Star Trek. :P
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"I am ready to buy a new ship!!!1no1"
That pretty much answers all questions right there doesn't it.
And just a note here, the atrox is on another level than any other fed ship size wise.
The atrox remains the longest ship in the entire game. But that certainly also comes with a price.
I think only having 1 hangar bay marginalized the scimitar.
The only valid point is, in trying to sell ships they keep putting on more slots - when is it going to end?
16 weapon slots in 2 years time if we make it that far, farming the same old eSTFs?
Heh, now that I think about it why not... They can just re-relase fleet ship with more slots that keeps you buying I totally see that working.
Ah, forgot about the Kumari, fixed thanks.
While I was referring to the Captain class (sorry for not being clear there), it actually depends the gear that you put on the ship, specifically in the console slots. Putting purple Mk 12 consoles for damage will come to an eventual even wash (assuming that the Sci dmg ability cap is still at +30% and wasn't changed while I was gone), however it takes time to get up to that stacked up to how you need it, and while you wait it means that you're either wasting your buffs not maxed out, or killing time waiting to get maxed out, therefore making the Tac-Odyssey the better choice if damage dealing is your goal.
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Want a scimitar equivalent ship for your fed toon? Roll a fed allied rommie toon.
And Im not even a ship floosie. All Ive paid for so far is TOS Connie, Gal X, Venture Class, Regent Class, Vesta 3 pack, D'Deridex Retrofit.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
I want KDF ships, you dont see me getting KDF ships.
I fully expect the Klingons to get girth envy when they look at that Scimitar and roll out something equally outrageous.
Capt. Will Conquest of the U.S.S. Crusader
If you want to fly huge warship, play rom or KDF, but then, don't ask for big exploration ship.
Fingers crossed for a fleet Gal-X one day.
Myself and a fleet mate had a fun time in our Gal-Xs in ker'rat a while back. Link to Vid
The Sovereign class would like to have a word with you both...just sayin.
The Defiant!
So if we go by size than the answer to the Scimitar can only be... a runabout:rolleyes:
Check your facts, the only ship ever to hold the "Escort" designation was the Defiant class.
Akira - Heavy Cruiser
Saber - Light Cruiser
Norway - Medium Cruiser
Steamrunner - Heavy Frigate
Both the Akira and the Prometheus classes pushed 500m in length. That's 2-3 times the size of the Defiant, and comparable to classes like the Excelsior or Constellation.
Tiny they aint.