As one of the most useful tools in monitoring contributions towards your fleet, it is also in need of fixing. As it sits right now, people who join a fleet with fleet credits shows up on their newly joined leaderboards, as if they contributed to that fleet's efforts, and for people who leave a fleet they remain on the leaderboards of their old fleet. I don't mind someone bringing fleet credits with them over to a new fleet, the problem is their showing up on the leaderboard as if they contributed when they didn't. And for those who leave they should be erased from the leaderboards because they are no longer a part of that fleet. I understand that there is the whole lifetime fleet credit deal, but if they don't return to their original fleet they earned them from, than they should be cleaned from the leaderboard in let's say a month of not returning sounds fair.
You are really having this problem? our fleet don't work that way just last week we took in a smaller fleet and all of its members that joined had zip on our boards .
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When i switching between sister fleets my contribution is different, and it correctly shows my donations (roster window overall contribution) for each fleet and its different values. like 140k and 340k. If it would be liek you say i've had around 500k overall donations for both fleets each switch.
You are really having this problem? our fleet don't work that way just last week we took in a smaller fleet and all of its members that joined had zip on our boards .
Yes I am, be sure to check all leaderboards for all 3 projects to be sure. For me it is an annoyance to say the least.
And no they weren't because this is a brand new created fleet, with a new member joining that has not contributed as of yet but shows up on my leaderboards, while people who joined just so I could create the fleet made a few contributions [BTW TY to those], and left still show up and probably will never return to keep their lifetime fleet score running. Oh and BTW this is not a complaint that said person doesn't or hasn't contributed, it is simply a complaint that one of the most useful tools for tracking such activity is in need of fixing is all.
No bringing your contributions with you, but keep the score in the old fleet.
There's no harm in keeping the old score and people who migth rejoin a fleet after leaving or getting kicked would be glad.
Erasing the old score would only encourage people to kick someone if they have a small fight only to hurt them with that reset score if they get invited back into the fleet by someone else.
And it might serve as some kind of proof if there's a discussion about an ex-member for example why he was kicked when he was such a big contributor to fleet projects.
No bringing your contributions with you, but keep the score in the old fleet.
There's no harm in keeping the old score and people who migth rejoin a fleet after leaving or getting kicked would be glad.
Erasing the old score would only encourage people to kick someone if they have a small fight only to hurt them with that reset score if they get invited back into the fleet by someone else.
And it might serve as some kind of proof if there's a discussion about an ex-member for example why he was kicked when he was such a big contributor to fleet projects.
What good is a score if you are never going to return to that fleet? Like I said if a person hasn't returned to the original fleet they contributed to in a month or so longer than their leaderboard score should be erased or made temporarily erased until the do return. And as for the kicking, well the only person who should really be given that power is the leader and leader only, but fleet leader's choose what they prefer.
What good is a score if you are never going to return to that fleet? Like I said if a person hasn't returned to the original fleet they contributed to in a month or so longer than their leaderboard score should be erased or made temporarily erased until the do return. And as for the kicking, well the only person who should really be given that power is the leader and leader only, but fleet leader's choose what they prefer.
You wont gain anything by erasing a contributor, if they have contributed towards building your fleet then they should remain on that board until the fleet is disbanded, they are a part of the history of the fleet and it is good for people to be able to see past and present contributors all in one list.
What if a person who's contributed a lot to a fleet leaves a fleet (accidentally or otherwise) and comes back? Would the board start them out at zero, or keep track of their past efforts?
This was actually a big problem in CoH, especially if one accidentally left a supergroup and came back. Their contributions would reset, even if they had committed millions of Prestige (equiv to Fleet Marks) to the supergroup. Nothing could be done to retrieve their previous leaderboard score, due to the way the database/ system worked.
Although I can agree that persons with credits, but haven't actually earned any of them with the fleet, should be tracked correctly, I can't agree with removing members who left but still contributed. After all, they *did* actually contribute, at one point or another, and might come back later to contribute more.
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You wont gain anything by erasing a contributor, if they have contributed towards building your fleet then they should remain on that board until the fleet is disbanded, they are a part of the history of the fleet and it is good for people to be able to see past and present contributors all in one list.
Please read more into what was said or reread it again!!!
If i am the highest contributor to your fleet lets sat my overall is 5 million contributions and i get kicked from your fleet , and the nearest contributator is only 200k lets say thats you and your the fleet leader
Under the current system everyone will know who really built your fleet ME
under your system in a month you can say i didnt help at all
The current system is perfect
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Please read more into what was said or reread it again!!!
I have, I'm not commenting on your first part, I'm commenting on the second part, if someone leaves the fleet they should be erased if they do not return...... no they should not, now you read my post again and again, accept it or not that's up to you but this is my opinion.
That person was in your fleet before at one point and donated because fleet credits would show 0 otherwise.
Fleet donation scores to NOT carry over to a different fleet.
Ummm yes it did, one person besides me is part of this not even a month old fleet and in no way did that person make any contributions as of yet. All the while it shows 11k fleet credits earned for which would put this person on par with me and I have been constantly contributing since I created the fleet from the start. And yes I monitor the levels of each project every day so I can easily tell when something has been contributed. That newly joined person has been a part of this fleet for 3 days now and it showed 11k fleet credits earned the very first day they joined.
If i am the highest contributor to your fleet lets sat my overall is 5 million contributions and i get kicked from your fleet , and the nearest contributator is only 200k lets say thats you and your the fleet leader
Under the current system everyone will know who really built your fleet ME
under your system in a month you can say i didnt help at all
I have, I'm not commenting on your first part, I'm commenting on the second part, if someone leaves the fleet they should be erased if they do not return...... no they should not, now you read my post again and again, accept it or not that's up to you but this is my opinion.
Wow please reread the part about temporarily removal on said leaderboard until they so return, but instead you must not have reread like I suggested.
And again oh well if it happens, the only person who should have been able to kick you is the leader, so that way you know who cheated you out of that entitlement.
What good is a score if you are never going to return to that fleet?
The person could use it as a refrence in his application to a new fleet.
If there's an argument between an ex-member and a leader of his old fleet it could be used as proof how much he contributed.
The leaderboard should reflect "who did what to build this fleetholding" and not "which of the still remaining people got the biggest TRIBBLE" like your indirectly suggesting with that idea of deleting the gone people out of that list.
When someone isn't around anymore doesn't mean he didn't contribute in the past like your suggesting.
Tell me one GOOD reason to erase those stats? What do you care if there are many gone people somewhere down on that list.
I guess you just want to get rid of some old contributors who make your contribution look bad compared to theirs.
Wow please reread the part about temporarily removal on said leaderboard until they so return, but instead you must not have reread like I suggested.
I don't need to re-read anything, I have told you my opinion, they should remain on the board forever, just because my opinion differs from yours does not mean I should keep reading your opinion over and over again until I brain wash my self in to agreeing with you.
The person could use it as a refrence in his application to a new fleet.
If there's an argument between an ex-member and a leader of his old fleet it could be used as proof how much he contributed.
The leaderboard should reflect "who did what to build this fleetholding" and not "which of the still remaining people got the biggest TRIBBLE" like your indirectly suggesting with that idea of deleting the gone people out of that list.
When someone isn't around anymore doesn't mean he didn't contribute in the past like your suggesting.
Tell me one GOOD reason to erase those stats? What do you care if there are many gone people somewhere down on that list.
I guess you just want to get rid of some old contributors who make your contribution look bad compared to theirs.
That is not what I am proposing at all, I only want it to reflect who is currently part of the fleet so it can be used as a monitoring tool and tool alone. If they so return then it would reshow what they contributed in the past, but only if they are an active member of that fleet currently. You all must not really be reading everything correctly
I don't need to re-read anything, I have told you my opinion, they should remain on the board forever, just because my opinion differs from yours does not mean I should keep reading your opinion over and over again until I brain wash my self in to agreeing with you.
Than lay off the posts trying to disprove what I said ok...TY
why not just use the roster page instead? you have the option there to see every members total contribution to fleet projects. I never check the individual leader boards when checking who's earned a promotion in my fleet. The roster is much more efficient.
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Than lay off the posts trying to disprove what I said ok...TY
I'm not trying to disprove anything, I am disagreeing with you over this subject and you keep suggesting I am not reading it correctly.
What you need is a monitoring tool that allows you to see only existing contributions, a separate list that only the fleet leader and his chosen few can view.
That is not what I am proposing at all, I only want it to reflect who is currently part of the fleet so it can be used as a monitoring tool and tool alone. If they so return then it would reshow what they contributed in the past, but only if they are an active member of that fleet currently. You all must not really be reading everything correctly
How about a compromise...
Let the leaderboard list as it is and change the amount of fleetcredits in the roster to only reflect the credits since joining.
I hope you have already noticed that if you go to your fleet roster you can display the fleetcredits of any char and be able to sort them ascending or descending of the amount of fleetcredits.
I never checked, maybe it already displays only the amount earned since joining.
I'm not trying to disprove anything, I am disagreeing with you over this subject and you keep suggesting I am not reading it correctly.
What you need is a monitoring tool that allows you to see only existing contributions, a separate list that only the fleet leader and his chosen few can view.
Let the leaderboard list as it is and change the amount of fleetcredits in the roster to only reflect the credits since joining.
I hope you have already noticed that if you go to your fleet roster you can display the fleetcredits of any char and be able to sort them ascending or descending of the amount of fleetcredits.
I never checked, maybe it already displays only the amount earned since joining.
One thing that would really be nice would be a tab that shows the total contribution of a member: STARBASE, EMBASSY and DILITHIUM MINE.
TY now that is all good ideas and useful information, I'm just asking for the leaderboards to be more accurate at monitoring actual contribution from those currently part of a fleet and for those who are not to become a hidden until return score is all. This way it becomes an actual useful tool like it should be!!!
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When i switching between sister fleets my contribution is different, and it correctly shows my donations (roster window overall contribution) for each fleet and its different values. like 140k and 340k. If it would be liek you say i've had around 500k overall donations for both fleets each switch.
Yes I am, be sure to check all leaderboards for all 3 projects to be sure. For me it is an annoyance to say the least.
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And no they weren't because this is a brand new created fleet, with a new member joining that has not contributed as of yet but shows up on my leaderboards, while people who joined just so I could create the fleet made a few contributions [BTW TY to those], and left still show up and probably will never return to keep their lifetime fleet score running. Oh and BTW this is not a complaint that said person doesn't or hasn't contributed, it is simply a complaint that one of the most useful tools for tracking such activity is in need of fixing is all.
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That being said, I would like a better mechanism to view this type of info... even a / chat command to dump a list to a text file....
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No bringing your contributions with you, but keep the score in the old fleet.
There's no harm in keeping the old score and people who migth rejoin a fleet after leaving or getting kicked would be glad.
Erasing the old score would only encourage people to kick someone if they have a small fight only to hurt them with that reset score if they get invited back into the fleet by someone else.
And it might serve as some kind of proof if there's a discussion about an ex-member for example why he was kicked when he was such a big contributor to fleet projects.
What good is a score if you are never going to return to that fleet? Like I said if a person hasn't returned to the original fleet they contributed to in a month or so longer than their leaderboard score should be erased or made temporarily erased until the do return. And as for the kicking, well the only person who should really be given that power is the leader and leader only, but fleet leader's choose what they prefer.
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If a member removes a character from a fleet then the listing for that characters contributions should be removed from the leaderboard.
It should NEVER reflect how many fleet credits an individual has personally. EVER!
If in fact the leaderboard is exhibiting some of these issues then yes, it needs to be fixed or resolved ASAP.
You wont gain anything by erasing a contributor, if they have contributed towards building your fleet then they should remain on that board until the fleet is disbanded, they are a part of the history of the fleet and it is good for people to be able to see past and present contributors all in one list.
This was actually a big problem in CoH, especially if one accidentally left a supergroup and came back. Their contributions would reset, even if they had committed millions of Prestige (equiv to Fleet Marks) to the supergroup. Nothing could be done to retrieve their previous leaderboard score, due to the way the database/ system worked.
Although I can agree that persons with credits, but haven't actually earned any of them with the fleet, should be tracked correctly, I can't agree with removing members who left but still contributed. After all, they *did* actually contribute, at one point or another, and might come back later to contribute more.
I don't care how long you've been playing. I only care about how you play.
And remember to follow the rules.
Please read more into what was said or reread it again!!!
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If i am the highest contributor to your fleet lets sat my overall is 5 million contributions and i get kicked from your fleet , and the nearest contributator is only 200k lets say thats you and your the fleet leader
Under the current system everyone will know who really built your fleet ME
under your system in a month you can say i didnt help at all
The current system is perfect
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Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Fleet donation scores to NOT carry over to a different fleet.
I have, I'm not commenting on your first part, I'm commenting on the second part, if someone leaves the fleet they should be erased if they do not return...... no they should not, now you read my post again and again, accept it or not that's up to you but this is my opinion.
Ummm yes it did, one person besides me is part of this not even a month old fleet and in no way did that person make any contributions as of yet. All the while it shows 11k fleet credits earned for which would put this person on par with me and I have been constantly contributing since I created the fleet from the start. And yes I monitor the levels of each project every day so I can easily tell when something has been contributed. That newly joined person has been a part of this fleet for 3 days now and it showed 11k fleet credits earned the very first day they joined.
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Wow please reread the part about temporarily removal on said leaderboard until they so return, but instead you must not have reread like I suggested.
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And again oh well if it happens, the only person who should have been able to kick you is the leader, so that way you know who cheated you out of that entitlement.
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The person could use it as a refrence in his application to a new fleet.
If there's an argument between an ex-member and a leader of his old fleet it could be used as proof how much he contributed.
The leaderboard should reflect "who did what to build this fleetholding" and not "which of the still remaining people got the biggest TRIBBLE" like your indirectly suggesting with that idea of deleting the gone people out of that list.
When someone isn't around anymore doesn't mean he didn't contribute in the past like your suggesting.
Tell me one GOOD reason to erase those stats? What do you care if there are many gone people somewhere down on that list.
I guess you just want to get rid of some old contributors who make your contribution look bad compared to theirs.
I don't need to re-read anything, I have told you my opinion, they should remain on the board forever, just because my opinion differs from yours does not mean I should keep reading your opinion over and over again until I brain wash my self in to agreeing with you.
That is not what I am proposing at all, I only want it to reflect who is currently part of the fleet so it can be used as a monitoring tool and tool alone. If they so return then it would reshow what they contributed in the past, but only if they are an active member of that fleet currently. You all must not really be reading everything correctly
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Than lay off the posts trying to disprove what I said ok...TY
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I'm not trying to disprove anything, I am disagreeing with you over this subject and you keep suggesting I am not reading it correctly.
What you need is a monitoring tool that allows you to see only existing contributions, a separate list that only the fleet leader and his chosen few can view.
How about a compromise...
Let the leaderboard list as it is and change the amount of fleetcredits in the roster to only reflect the credits since joining.
I hope you have already noticed that if you go to your fleet roster you can display the fleetcredits of any char and be able to sort them ascending or descending of the amount of fleetcredits.
I never checked, maybe it already displays only the amount earned since joining.
Don't know if your post was irony, but that already exists.
Go to your fleetroster, klick on "show offline members" and set the last column to fleetcredits.
TY now that is all good ideas and useful information, I'm just asking for the leaderboards to be more accurate at monitoring actual contribution from those currently part of a fleet and for those who are not to become a hidden until return score is all. This way it becomes an actual useful tool like it should be!!!
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