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skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
edited July 2013 in PvP Gameplay
The Chat Channel OrganizedPvP is a great place to get to know people and ask them if they'd like to team up with you. I've made many good friends doing this and also by answering requests of others that are asking to team. Unfortunately, it seems many people do not do this.

Lately, when I team up with people from OPvP, people from my friend's list, or people from my fleet, and hit the queues I actually get griefed by other people in OPvP if they happen to come up against my team in the queues (even though I almost always ask if there is a team to battle before hitting the queues). The other night I was teamed with 1 fleet mate, 2 friends, and 1 person I had just met. We were in 3 tac cruisers with 2 science captains - not a premade by any stretch of the imagination - just some friends pvping together.

After we finished the match there were people in OPvP that started complaining about how we were ruining the queues by joining with a premade (which it was not). I'm not exactly sure how teaming with friends is a bad thing. This is a MMO after all and teaming with friends is what makes it fun, whether in PvP or PvE. I suggested that he should team with his own friends or make a team from people in OPvP and then we could battle each other on a more even playing field. This they ignored and continued to bicker about how imba it was that we had friends that we liked to play with in an MMO.

I would like to suggest to everyone that you try to pick up a team to play with in OPvP by simply asking if anyone would like to team. It will usually work, and if it doesn't, no harm done. When you see someone ask to team you should join them if you're not already teamed. Then when you do have a team, you should ask in OPvP if there are any other teams that would like to battle you. If you happen to be on a team and see someone ask for a team to battle, you should accept the challenge.

This is what I feel OPvP was meant for, yet it seems to be sorely lacking. And it has gone even further down this slippery slope in that when people do team with each other, they are chastised in OPvP for "picking on the queues and beating up pugs." On top of that, many times I will come across another team in the queues after asking if there are any teams that want to battle. Why not just save everyone some time and accept the challenge?

TLDR:
Get a team together using your friend's list or OPvP. Then fight other teams in a private challenge match by requesting or accepting a challenge in OPvP. The quality of PvP matches will increase and be more competitive overall.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    *scratches head* I thought that's why people made pugmades there at all. I think the word premade gets tossed around way too easily and often nowadays.

    Here's my question though: Did you win or lose? Also, what was the score?

    I mean, sounds like just QQing to me, but if it was a good fight, win or lose, isn't that the real reward?
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    *scratches head* I thought that's why people made pugmades there at all. I think the word premade gets tossed around way too easily and often nowadays.

    Here's my question though: Did you win or lose? Also, what was the score?

    I mean, sounds like just QQing to me, but if it was a good fight, win or lose, isn't that the real reward?

    We won 15-0, which is why I suggested he organize his own team if he wants to be more competitive after he started complaining about my "premade" "pug-stomping." And it was not just one person complaining. There were two or three people in OPvP that were in the match against us, so it would not have been very difficult for them to organize a team, but they preferred to whine.

    I agree: good fights are the real reward, and the best fights come from premade vs. premade or premade vs. pugmade or pugmade vs. pugmade. If you prefer to hit the queues solo you do so at the risk of getting noobs, afker's, dilithium farmers or cravens that warp out when they see two people with the same fleet tag.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    We won 15-0, which is why I suggested he organize his own team if he wants to be more competitive after he started complaining about my "premade" "pug-stomping." And it was not just one person complaining. There were two or three people in OPvP that were in the match against us, so it would not have been very difficult for them to organize a team, but they preferred to whine.

    I agree: good fights are the real reward, and the best fights come from premade vs. premade or premade vs. pugmade or pugmade vs. pugmade. If you prefer to hit the queues solo you do so at the risk of getting noobs, afker's, dilithium farmers or cravens that warp out when they see two people with the same fleet tag.

    Ah, a 15-0 match, that explains a lot. Boy, I hate to have seen what he would've said if it'd been a full premade of TSI or Pandas or something.

    That said, it isn't ever fun to get stomped by an actual premade. I won't deny that, but simply QQing because a couple people beat you who just happened to have the same fleet name isn't a premade, and isn't an excuse for their own lack of skills.

    Don't misunderstand, not trying to say you are a bad player or anything Skurf, a win is a win after all. But premade...that was not.

    I guess trying to play with friends and enjoy yourself is the worst possible thing you can do in PvP, huh? Forget Graviton Pulse, or TIF, or something, FRIENDSHIP is the worst cheese in PvP. :D
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I am confused by this, it looks like you stomped some pugs. Good job?

    Pug stomping will always be around, and OPvP is actually as Organized as it is going to get. A lot of people do not like this and try to create a new OPvP that they can Mod and Ban all those that have wronged them so. But this just further splinters the community.

    As for making teams with people in OPvP, that is very possible, although sometimes time consuming. Pugmade, Better Pugs, Premade, Cheese > Random Pugs (Even if a few of them are good).

    Also, seems like you are more upset that they did not congradulate you to your victory. This is called Content Denial, the same thing as people challenging you to ques and not starting.
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  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    vegie0 wrote: »
    I am confused by this, it looks like you stomped some pugs. Good job?

    Pug stomping will always be around, and OPvP is actually as Organized as it is going to get. A lot of people do not like this and try to create a new OPvP that they can Mod and Ban all those that have wronged them so. But this just further splinters the community.

    As for making teams with people in OPvP, that is very possible, although sometimes time consuming. Pugmade, Better Pugs, Premade, Cheese > Random Pugs (Even if a few of them are good).

    Also, seems like you are more upset that they did not congradulate you to your victory. This is called Content Denial, the same thing as people challenging you to ques and not starting.

    Yes, I can tell you are confused as you completely missed my point. I do not want to be congratulated. I do not want to pug-stomp. And I especially do not want to be congratulated for pug-stomping.

    I want to play against other teams, be it pugmade or premade, and I feel it is counter-productive to complain that people are teaming up, especially when you are complaining in the same channel that you could be using to organize a team.
  • kolln95kolln95 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    The Chat Channel OrganizedPvP is a great place to get to know people and ask them if they'd like to team up with you. I've made many good friends doing this and also by answering requests of others that are asking to team. Unfortunately, it seems many people do not do this.

    Lately, when I team up with people from OPvP, people from my friend's list, or people from my fleet, and hit the queues I actually get griefed by other people in OPvP if they happen to come up against my team in the queues (even though I almost always ask if there is a team to battle before hitting the queues). The other night I was teamed with 1 fleet mate, 2 friends, and 1 person I had just met. We were in 3 tac cruisers with 2 science captains - not a premade by any stretch of the imagination - just some friends pvping together.

    After we finished the match there were people in OPvP that started complaining about how we were ruining the queues by joining with a premade (which it was not). I'm not exactly sure how teaming with friends is a bad thing. This is a MMO after all and teaming with friends is what makes it fun, whether in PvP or PvE. I suggested that he should team with his own friends or make a team from people in OPvP and then we could battle each other on a more even playing field. This they ignored and continued to bicker about how imba it was that we had friends that we liked to play with in an MMO.

    I would like to suggest to everyone that you try to pick up a team to play with in OPvP by simply asking if anyone would like to team. It will usually work, and if it doesn't, no harm done. When you see someone ask to team you should join them if you're not already teamed. Then when you do have a team, you should ask in OPvP if there are any other teams that would like to battle you. If you happen to be on a team and see someone ask for a team to battle, you should accept the challenge.

    This is what I feel OPvP was meant for, yet it seems to be sorely lacking. And it has gone even further down this slippery slope in that when people do team with each other, they are chastised in OPvP for "picking on the queues and beating up pugs." On top of that, many times I will come across another team in the queues after asking if there are any teams that want to battle. Why not just save everyone some time and accept the challenge?

    TLDR:
    Get a team together using your friend's list or OPvP. Then fight other teams in a private challenge match by requesting or accepting a challenge in OPvP. The quality of PvP matches will increase and be more competitive overall.

    Your thought are kind, but this depends on the indivudal PvP'ers. That you wrote these down is okay, however, most of the players do not really read the forums, especially the PvP Gameplay part. If they did, then this would not be necessary to be written down.

    When people will experience what you have written down, then they will be willing to change some things on their behavior. The life is the best teacher (At this point: the queues are!)! :)

    Will see you in queues! :P

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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    After we finished the match there were people in OPvP that started complaining about how we were ruining the queues by joining with a premade (which it was not). I'm not exactly sure how teaming with friends is a bad thing.



    Teaming takes (a little bit more) effort, and takes (the barest minimum of) social skills.


    Instead a lot of players would rather have everything in the game cater to the lowest common denominator (themselves) - that's why PvE is so dumbed down and easy.
  • therealsivartherealsivar Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    -snip because the OP is pretty long-

    You are correct in that the purpose of OPvP is to help people find both help and groups to pvp with, however, with that said, every player will react to every loss differently.

    Some will complain about 'premade vs. pug' or 'team vs. pug' or 'p2w' complaints, the list goes on, and the complaints won't stop until people get exactly their way regardless of what happens to everybody else.

    At the end of the day, the end result of PvP is as follows: Winners play to win, losers go home, whiners complain, and the hardcore drink the tears of the whiners.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well, I don't know if I'm in a mood or if I just like playing Devil's Advocate here...maybe it's just something that stands out so well that I can't resist saying it, eh?

    Somebody complained in OPvP about a PUGmade PUGstomping in the queues.

    The thread is suggesting that rather than complain (in this case in OPvP), that they should have tried to put together their own PUGmade.

    Sounds reasonable enough, right?

    How about this though...

    Rather than the PUGmade PUGstomping in the queues...why not look for another PUGmade to fight, eh? After all...this was taking place in the OPvP channel.

    There tends to be a lot of egocentric nonsense going on of late - that's probably where this is coming from, a pissed off mood arguing elsewhere on the forums in multiple threads.

    Who has the more valid point here, eh?

    The guy in OPvP complaining about an "Organized" group in the queues - acknowledged to be random and home of the PUG...that the "Organized" group should instead be fighting other "Organized" groups...

    ...or the guy from such an "Organized" group that was running with that group against folks that were not "Organized"...?

    Just saying, if you were in OPvP - why not try to find another "Organized" group, eh?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    At the end of the day, the end result of PvP is as follows: Winners play to win, losers go home, whiners complain, and the hardcore drink the tears of the whiners.

    If the PvP mattered the least in STO...I would say, "Hear! Hear!" Were it anything like so few games over the years...I would say, "Hear! Hear!" Were folks fighting over territory, resources, if there was any tracking or any meaning...I would say, "Hear! Hear!"

    But it's STO PvP, so when I see things like that I just /facepalm...
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well, I don't know if I'm in a mood or if I just like playing Devil's Advocate here...maybe it's just something that stands out so well that I can't resist saying it, eh?

    Somebody complained in OPvP about a PUGmade PUGstomping in the queues.

    The thread is suggesting that rather than complain (in this case in OPvP), that they should have tried to put together their own PUGmade.

    Sounds reasonable enough, right?

    How about this though...

    Rather than the PUGmade PUGstomping in the queues...why not look for another PUGmade to fight, eh? After all...this was taking place in the OPvP channel.

    There tends to be a lot of egocentric nonsense going on of late - that's probably where this is coming from, a pissed off mood arguing elsewhere on the forums in multiple threads.

    Who has the more valid point here, eh?

    The guy in OPvP complaining about an "Organized" group in the queues - acknowledged to be random and home of the PUG...that the "Organized" group should instead be fighting other "Organized" groups...

    ...or the guy from such an "Organized" group that was running with that group against folks that were not "Organized"...?

    Just saying, if you were in OPvP - why not try to find another "Organized" group, eh?

    the number of times i would make a pugmade, play one round then ask in opvp if there were any other teams out there....

    the silence was always sad :(
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  • masterkeychnk5masterkeychnk5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    A little bit of trolling or trash talk is allowed, but if the mods will think it goes too far you can be assured there will be punishment Skurf.

    Thank you for your understanding.
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  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    Yes, I can tell you are confused as you completely missed my point. I do not want to be congratulated. I do not want to pug-stomp. And I especially do not want to be congratulated for pug-stomping.

    I want to play against other teams, be it pugmade or premade, and I feel it is counter-productive to complain that people are teaming up, especially when you are complaining in the same channel that you could be using to organize a team.

    I am not so sure that is what you want, and if that is... You seek to be defeated? A 15-0 I find boring even on the winning side. But that put to rest QQ is part of the game, and people complaining about being defeated will happen. You do know that you could always if you say want to fight other teams, not join the que where pugs are. You could create a Private Que and ask for a pre-made or pug-made to fight against. This is why I am confused is you seemed knowledgeable enough to figure out the rest. Why not go the extra step and challenge somebodys team as opposed to playing the Que lottery?

    Just an observation.
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  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    <snip>
    Rather than the PUGmade PUGstomping in the queues...why not look for another PUGmade to fight, eh? After all...this was taking place in the OPvP channel.

    <snip>

    ...or the guy from such an "Organized" group that was running with that group against folks that were not "Organized"...?

    Just saying, if you were in OPvP - why not try to find another "Organized" group, eh?

    I guess you missed these parts of my OP:
    skurf wrote: »
    Then when you do have a team, you should ask in OPvP if there are any other teams that would like to battle you. If you happen to be on a team and see someone ask for a team to battle, you should accept the challenge.
    skurf wrote: »
    On top of that, many times I will come across another team in the queues after asking if there are any teams that want to battle. Why not just save everyone some time and accept the challenge?
    skurf wrote: »
    Get a team together using your friend's list or OPvP. Then fight other teams in a private challenge match by requesting or accepting a challenge in OPvP.

    It was a [somewhat] long post, but it was one of the themes of my post and I'm not sure how you missed it. If you are on during the hours I play then you will have seen me (Tal, Tal'Shir, Kratom Adu) ask in OPvP if there are any teams on that want to battle. If I had an Lobi Crystal for every time I asked and did not get a response I'd be the next Grand Nagus.

    Not only do I ask in OPvP (which is usually the last place I ask because it is so unlikely that anyone will respond), but I also ask in public pvp fleet channels that I know of (although sadly I only know of a couple) and I also ask people on my friend's list if they have a team running that wants to battle, both of which have more success in finding a match than asking in OPvP.

    Last night I was in a premade and asked in OPvP as well as the other places I mentioned. The fleets that I asked didn't have a full team on and nobody in OPvP responded. There was nothing left to do other than hit the queues at that point. And guess what? We came up against another full fleet premade in the queues, and I know that they have the OPvP channel as I've seen them post in there.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    the number of times i would make a pugmade, play one round then ask in opvp if there were any other teams out there....

    the silence was always sad :(

    It's not a case of saying that folks are ignoring OPvP as if it's jumping with Premades and PUGmades to go off and stomp the queues by any means, lol. Spend too much time in OPvP and most of the time folks can't even get enough folks together for a single 5 man PUGmade.

    Folks can't be bothered with PvP or they'd love to PvP but are working on one of a million different grinds (hyperbole) for some of their toons (maybe that was Cryptic's plan, create so many grinds that folks didn't have time to PvP and Cryptic could just phase it out as the last few folks walked away)...ahem...er, where was I going with that? I forget. Wait! No, not saying that it is easy for a group to find that first fight much less a second or third...

    However, I think some of this comes down to the upper levels of the foodchain bringing about their own starvation (though, Cryptic is definitely doing all they can to kill it off).

    Consider the following...

    Random PUG Guy -> PUGmade -> Premade

    Isn't that kind of the process? Somebody dorks around, they look for a little more, they enjoy that and look for even more? They go from Random PUG Guy to the guy that x's up for PUGmades to the guy that's rocking with his buds in a Premade...right?

    If those second two groups prey too much on the first - well, then those Random PUG Guys won't stick around, they won't take the next step up toward PUGmade. It will get harder and harder to find groups as numbers dwindle - because yeah, folks do walk away from the game and without sufficient new blood replenishing the ranks...it will die off.

    Then there's all the stuff on forums that folks that might be thinking about it will read - the various Fleets arguing with each other about cheese/broken stuff - the stuff about camping (heh, though I guess my saying it is okay outside of the broken stat stuff isn't helpful there...hrmm) - and all the rest...like that's not going to drive more folks away before they even start?

    It's hard to say that it's not dying...there was a boost there - then it dried up. Happens over and over, but each time it seems to be smaller and smaller...

    ...personally, I can't bring myself to PvP because of all the broken stuff. I'm not talking consoles and the like - I'm not talking Pre/PUGmades stomping PUGs...dying doesn't matter in the game in the least - who cares, eh? No, it's all the bugs - all the broken stats - all the stealth nerfs - all the things where I can't even have fun dying. Things like that too...aren't helping PvP - aren't getting New Face Guy into the queues, keeping the Random PUG Guy in the queues and thinking about stepping it up a notch, isn't helping to keep around the PUGmade guys, and even the Premades continue to walk away slowly.

    It's just a bad state, imho. And yeah, I know this post doesn't help anybody thinking about getting into PvP be all happy and TRIBBLE about it...I'm not going to blow bubbles up their TRIBBLE about it though. Folks need to harp on Cryptic to get this TRIBBLE fixed...then I'll be more positive.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    I'm not sure how you missed it.

    Wasn't a case of missing it - would have been an entirely different post were it just a anti-pugstomp post ignoring that effort...it was more the case of the following:

    When nobody replies to a request for other groups...what action is taken? Off to the queues!

    The desire to play with some friends in a few matches here and there, is very short-sighted imho - when it can result in decreasing the overall potential population you have to play against in the long run.

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  • saxfiresaxfire Member Posts: 558 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I guess I missed this, but since I heard about it now I have only 1 thing to say:

    friends op, nerf bops.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    vegie0 wrote: »
    I am not so sure that is what you want, and if that is... You seek to be defeated? A 15-0 I find boring even on the winning side. But that put to rest QQ is part of the game, and people complaining about being defeated will happen. You do know that you could always if you say want to fight other teams, not join the que where pugs are. You could create a Private Que and ask for a pre-made or pug-made to fight against. This is why I am confused is you seemed knowledgeable enough to figure out the rest. Why not go the extra step and challenge somebodys team as opposed to playing the Que lottery?

    Just an observation.

    There's not always going to be an opposing team there for them to fight. Many folks do look for another team - just don't find one. It's the actions they take at that point...

    Say there's a 5 man looking for a team to fight against, but the following situations occur:

    Only 4 folks available. You do a 5v4, where the 5 run a tag-team sort of thing so it's a 4v4 where when one of the guys dies the other guy goes in.

    Only 3 folks available. You do a 4v4.

    Only 2 folks available. You do a 4v3 tag-team like above.

    Only 1 folk available. You split the 6 into a 3v3.

    Is it about the pew pew fun or not?
  • therealsivartherealsivar Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If the PvP mattered the least in STO...I would say, "Hear! Hear!" Were it anything like so few games over the years...I would say, "Hear! Hear!" Were folks fighting over territory, resources, if there was any tracking or any meaning...I would say, "Hear! Hear!"

    But it's STO PvP, so when I see things like that I just /facepalm...

    I said that as a general rule of PvP, not as a reflection of the current state of this game's neglected PvP systems.
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  • lordmanzelotlordmanzelot Member Posts: 468 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Nerf it it's OP
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  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    vegie0 wrote: »
    I am not so sure that is what you want, and if that is... You seek to be defeated?
    I don't seek to be defeated, but if I lose on a premade or even pugmade, it doesn't actually bother me, and only serves as a learning experience. I've lost with a premade against a particular fleet that used a lot of certain consoles/doffs (grav pulse, tif, ss doffs, vm doffs, ams) that people deem as cheese. I didn't get upset. I talked to my teammates about how we could have a better chance at defeating such a strategy and challenged them to a rematch. Some of their team had logged off and they couldn't rematch us at the time, so I added a couple of them as friends to later arrange the rematch.
    vegie0 wrote: »
    A 15-0 I find boring even on the winning side.
    Couldn't agree more. The only reason I even posted the score of that match is because I was asked. In hindsight, it seems I probably shouldn't have posted it as you continue to harp on it as if I'm using it as some kind of trophy to boost my ego, which couldn't be further from the truth.
    vegie0 wrote: »
    You do know that you could always if you say want to fight other teams, not join the que where pugs are. You could create a Private Que and ask for a pre-made or pug-made to fight against. This is why I am confused is you seemed knowledgeable enough to figure out the rest. Why not go the extra step and challenge somebodys team as opposed to playing the Que lottery?

    Just an observation.

    I do as much as I possibly can to arrange for my teams to play against other teams, but that is easier said than done. It could be made easier (especially for the pugmade vs. pugmade matches) if people started actually using OPvP to organize teams and they could also use it as a hub to request and accept challenges for both pugmades and premades. As I mentioned in response to virusdancer in post #16 this is one of the themes of this thread, and I'm not sure how you and him both missed it.
  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The issue then is, as ever, lack of people playing PvP. Unfortunately that's not really an issue we players are likely to solve. PvP BootCamp is probably the best we can do, and even that required some participation from Cryptic. Ultimately, the only thing that will increase the PvP population is Cryptic itself. And, the best tool they have to do that is to dangle a proverbial carrot in front of people for playing PvP, ie: PvP Reputation. Maybe then they'll stick around long enough to get past the initial "Shock and Awe" phase and get used to creating and running PvP-capable builds.
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  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I didn't read your responses to others, and I do appologize for that. Bit of a hurry here. Now I can say that of all the time I have spent in OPvP, I have only twice in about 2 years seen anybody say "I have a team, any other teams want to fight?" It is not that common, you would be surprised how quickly people mobilize when they hear that. Even pugs start putting together teams.

    Dunno if it is always successful, only ever seen it twice.
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  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    vegie0 wrote: »
    I didn't read your responses to others, and I do appologize for that. Bit of a hurry here. Now I can say that of all the time I have spent in OPvP, I have only twice in about 2 years seen anybody say "I have a team, any other teams want to fight?" It is not that common, you would be surprised how quickly people mobilize when they hear that. Even pugs start putting together teams.

    Dunno if it is always successful, only ever seen it twice.
    I have actually seen you posting in OPvP when I've asked if there's a team to battle so maybe those two times were me that you've seen. Anyway, next time you see someone ask, prove yourself right by getting mobilized and put a team together to fight them.
  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    More of the 10v10 matches, plz. Solves all problems.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I said that as a general rule of PvP, not as a reflection of the current state of this game's neglected PvP systems.

    Definitely agree on that, heh...

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    naevius wrote: »
    More of the 10v10 matches, plz. Solves all problems.

    Those usually only take place when the Euros are up way too late, the Eastern US are up too late, and the Western US has relaxed after dinner though...no?

    Man, could you imagine if they ran separate US, Euro, Oceanic servers and how dead it would be? Meh...
  • bobtheyakbobtheyak Member Posts: 374 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    Pugging is better. More challenging.
    ^This. I ran with premades for almost 2 years before premade PvP died and became a pugstomping fest. Winning 15-0 every match for months on end gets really old, and after a certain point it comes closer to griefing than actually practicing teamwork.

    That being said, I see no problem with making OPvP pugmades with random people who "x up for team." I've seen plenty of teams form in OPvP (at least in my time zone) and it doesn't usually look like people have any trouble getting enough people for at least a 3-made or 4-made.

    The line between premade and pugmade gets blurry when people call for specific classes/ships e.g. "We need a sci for the SNB" or "Looking for a tac escort." Just play. OPvP pugging is about grouping with friends, meeting people, and practicing teamwork - not specific ship/class makeups to maximize your chance of winning.

    If it's a simple matter of grouping with random people in OPvP rather than stacking a team, you can easily find enough people for a pugmade - or even two.

    In my opinion there should be a lot more 3v3/4v4 going on in OPvP. Who says you need the full five to have a good match?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    bobtheyak wrote: »
    In my opinion there should be a lot more 3v3/4v4 going on in OPvP. Who says you need the full five to have a good match?

    Even some 2v2's? There are some fun potential tandems out there - some great synergy that can be created between two ships...almost as if they're fighting as one organism.

    But yeah, it's been weird watching some of the folks get shot down trying to do less than 5 matches.

    Course, as an aside - I still think Cryptic needs to allow for actual 10-man teams as well rather than it being 2x5 vs 2x5 for the 10v10's.

    And in doing that, they would also open up the 6-9 teams.
  • tripwire690tripwire690 Member Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    For anyone responding quit talking and get to work. The OP puts effort in to not only making teams with no actual class requirements but to organize matches. So has Mai Kai. So has Minimax. So have I. The lack of response in OPVP on a daily basis usually causes our endeavors to fall short. The community could play a larger role in organizing daily pvp matches; 3v3, 4v4, 5v5, or 10v10.

    What I'm hearing is that if a team doesn't have another team to fight then they shouldn't queue up. And to that I say DERP! I'm not going to NOT queue up. I myself will continue to ask for other teams to fight. And if there is none I will hit the queues with whoever is on my team. Or whoever has invited me to team. There is a pvp forum and a pvp channel in game. I advertise OPVP as well as my fleet after matches to try and invite players to both Nova Core and the PvP community as a whole. You should do the same.

    And this "pug stomping" you speak of. I grew up in it. TSI, 7th Core, Starfleet Security, G.O.D., LORE. I was a noob. Still am. But I'm still here. So are you. Those who truly want to learn to pvp will search for those who can help them. Who will openly teach them. They will ask questions. They will seek out the tools they need to better themselves. And then there are those that will pity themselves and search for everyone to feel sorry around them. The PvP community in STO isn't perfect in a game who's PvP isn't perfect. Cryptic continues to leave us wanting for support in the area of the game we all love the most. It is up to us to keep our community together. To call out to pugs that would join us and make it easier for teams to fight teams everyday through using the OPVP channel as it was and should always be meant to be used. As a tool for the constructive organization of the pew pew according to the will of the queue. May the Pew be with you.
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