This ship here:
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/dgclaws/NX01refit.jpghttp://strpg.patrickgoodman.org/documents/starships_resources/starships/Starfleet/Starfleet_NX-01-Refit.pdf
A Doug Drexler creation.
First, is there any desire to have this ship?
Second, what could we do with it. or rather the devs, but you know what I mean.
I think, since the ship is in the canon/non-canon mist, maybe CBS would allow the ship to be added to the game. I think we could argue here that it could be made a T5 ship, since it's not actually part of the canon. It could be a ship based off the NX design. An improvement brought about on the replica's (games lore) that we have now. The engineers went a little bonkers (engineers can get that way) and made a new and improved ship.
The ship is, well, tiny in comparison to many other ships, so, I think we could all be creative in making it competitive. 8 weapons? A tad much I would think. So maybe a cruiser isn't what it would fit best as.
In any case, discuss. Come on, we got the Vesta, and the Scimitar with its thaleron pulse, lets try for this one.
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Having said that, to get the NX Season 5 refit ship would require the permission of Doug Drexler since it was not in Enterprise. I am sure that we could get a more appropriate ship created by Doug Drexler for the same amount of effort. According to the devs, the Vesta was a nightmare to get compared to other ships and getting this ship would be no different.
Regarding the question wether it should be added to STO or not - on the one hand I get that old ship designs shouldn't be competetive to the newest designs in the game but on the other hand everyone has to agree that STO isn't exactly consistent in any way. There is no real story arc and most of it contradicts itself anyway. Since it's only a big trek themed playground I wouldn't have a problem with this design, at least it looks more akin to the original designs than other abominations that make it into the game.
I'd really like to see a endgame viable "light cruiser". I have no idea how this type of ship could be implemented in the current gameplay but the way ships work needs a big overhaul anyway.
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I always did love the NX design more then most other Federation ships, Prometheus excluded, nothing tops the Prometheus for me.
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Well, this is just my personal theory, but....
The ship class that apparently followed the NX class was the Bonaventure class starship. Obviously, not too hard to see the design leaps in logic there.
Now, flash forward to the STO times of 2409, and we have something that looks strikingly similar....
Meet the Patrol escort type starships, the Dervish, Gryphon, Hermes, and Maelstrom class starships.
But especially the Dervish.
It's not hard to imagine that it's descended from the Bonaventure class starships. They look strikingly similar, despite the couple of hundred years difference in their design aesthetics; the basics are still there.
That's true. It does look very much like the Bonaventure.
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I'm really not a fan of the constant 'we need a T5 connie' and etc. At best they'd be a frigate at this time. I don't even like that the T1-3 base ships have a T5 fleet version.
Well, as I said, this ship was never made into canon. The Season 5 refit of the NX is nearly the same as the TMP refit of the Constitution Class. Even more so.
Also, since it wasn't actually a canon ship, it could be a 2409 engineers pet project that was given the go ahead, and he just happened to love the NX replicas we have in-game now.
Now... to me, being T5 doesn't mean it needs to be bristling with weapons, and so on. Which is why in my OP, I asked for alternative ideas. I think it's a very pretty ship.
Also, it may be owned by CBS (I have no idea though) because season 5 was getting ready, and at the time, Drexler worked for the show and CBS. They may own it, and thus it could be easier than getting Rademaker's Vesta Class.
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Exactly my thoughts. What comes next? T5 Enterprise space shuttle?
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There is a grave misconception as to what these ships actually are. If you put them into STO then they aren't the old ships (which there weren't enough of anyways), they are ships designed by the Starfleet Corps of Engineers to look like old ships. Do enough reading, and the literature backs me up.
For all the people that say the design is what matters... I point to the Borg f'ing Cube.
That's only applied to the NX-class, which have been labeled as replicas. The SCE is even stated to try and be as accurate as possible with their replica starship... meaning, the starship is virtually identical to the one produced by Earth Starfleet in the 2150's. The flaws are still there.*
The TOS Connie, is said to be reactivated. They 'are' the old ships.
Two examples of ships from an era long gone, which are or are virtually identical to, outdated starships. So my point still stands. When can I get my T5 space shuttle, since some of us are so desperate for old ships?
*EDIT: This is no longer true, see post #21.
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Is it out of the realm of possibility to claim these are brand new, specially designed modern ships?
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I do apologize. You are right, they are new ships which only happen to look like the NX-class, but have a completely different internal arrangement.
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Yeah, that was my understanding from reading about the SCE's modular design program. It's why the Constitution class you get at LtComdr is apparently just as good as the other two ships in its cruiser designation even though the other two clearly look more modern.
It is kind of a space magic point to be making, but how much of Star Trek isn't a space magic argument? Particularly, in fact, the design of the NX-01 Enterprise since it was a ret-conned design based around the Akira class starship.
I'm not trying to argue for the Fleet Connie (thanks CBS), but I am pointing out the deficiencies in the arguments surrounding the whole battle against "old ships".
To be fair, I don't fly an Excelsior class Starship *anymore (it is a pretty ship)*, because I get weirded out at the idea of an Excelsior fighting off a Borg Cube by itself. However, I am not forced to fly an Excelsior class vessel anymore than someone would be forced to fly a refit NX or Connie. As far as STFs and the like go, when doing those, I pay more attention to what I'm supposed to be doing than other people's ships.
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You could read through the comments to come to a sensible argument as to how it is neither A) Immersion breaking and
As long as it's not a T1-4 ship in an STF, who cares?
If someone wants to fly a ship they like, then let them, just because you hate it doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to use it.
The joke I was trying to make was this: it won't break immersion anymore than seeing someone flying around in a Bug Ship, or any other lock-box ship for that matter. I suppose I didn't word it very well so that part is on me.
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Just to clarify: I'm all for both a T5 Connie AND this NX Refit being put in the game. Sadly, I don't think it will happen. You can thank CBS for that.
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Ya, I didn't get the sarcasm of your first post either.
Maybe a "/s" at the end of it, or something.
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My bad. I didn't catch the sarcasm.