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Could we get an NX season 5 refit ship? (pic link included)

ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
This ship here:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/dgclaws/NX01refit.jpg

http://strpg.patrickgoodman.org/documents/starships_resources/starships/Starfleet/Starfleet_NX-01-Refit.pdf

A Doug Drexler creation.

First, is there any desire to have this ship?

Second, what could we do with it. or rather the devs, but you know what I mean.

I think, since the ship is in the canon/non-canon mist, maybe CBS would allow the ship to be added to the game. I think we could argue here that it could be made a T5 ship, since it's not actually part of the canon. It could be a ship based off the NX design. An improvement brought about on the replica's (games lore) that we have now. The engineers went a little bonkers (engineers can get that way) and made a new and improved ship.

The ship is, well, tiny in comparison to many other ships, so, I think we could all be creative in making it competitive. 8 weapons? A tad much I would think. So maybe a cruiser isn't what it would fit best as.

In any case, discuss. Come on, we got the Vesta, and the Scimitar with its thaleron pulse, lets try for this one.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    My personal opinion is that Starfleet ships from before the 24th Century should be limited to Tier 1 to Tier 3 ships. Alien ships don't have a problem since they have different design aesthetics than humans and don't require new ships every few years. If a design works, then they stick with it. Unfortunately there is the Excelsior, but there is nothing I can do about that.

    Having said that, to get the NX Season 5 refit ship would require the permission of Doug Drexler since it was not in Enterprise. I am sure that we could get a more appropriate ship created by Doug Drexler for the same amount of effort. According to the devs, the Vesta was a nightmare to get compared to other ships and getting this ship would be no different.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The first thing I have to say is... wow, I really like that design. I haven't seen it until now and I can really see this design influencing upcoming 23rd century ships of the TOS era. It might have redeem ENT a bit, a pity it never made it on-screen.

    Regarding the question wether it should be added to STO or not - on the one hand I get that old ship designs shouldn't be competetive to the newest designs in the game but on the other hand everyone has to agree that STO isn't exactly consistent in any way. There is no real story arc and most of it contradicts itself anyway. Since it's only a big trek themed playground I wouldn't have a problem with this design, at least it looks more akin to the original designs than other abominations that make it into the game.

    I'd really like to see a endgame viable "light cruiser". I have no idea how this type of ship could be implemented in the current gameplay but the way ships work needs a big overhaul anyway.
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  • yomatofanyomatofan Member Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I would fly this ship, I have wanted an Tier 5 NX since this game first went to **** with canon, having the Excelsior be more powerful then the Galaxy. This game has no credible canon anymore so why bother trying to pretend that it does. A Tier 5 NX for the win!
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    yomatofan wrote: »
    I would fly this ship, I have wanted an Tier 5 NX since this game first went to **** with canon, having the Excelsior be more powerful then the Galaxy. This game has no credible canon anymore so why bother trying to pretend that it does. A Tier 5 NX for the win!

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  • sudoku7sudoku7 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Amusing to me how cyclic the naming is. The NX-01 was named after the Shuttle [OV-101] which was named after the NCC-1701.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    A T5 NX or Miranda.. why not. They need to be classified as shuttles though since even with upgrades they're old and should be kept out of any STF or Alert.
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited July 2013
    I like it! But It is a no on Tier V. Cryptic has abused Canon enough as it is!
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  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    T5 would be a bit much, but I'd definitely want that ship.

    I always did love the NX design more then most other Federation ships, Prometheus excluded, nothing tops the Prometheus for me.
  • ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Ya, I'm a fan of its looks. I think it's something fun that could be added. Plus, a ship of similar design (a little bigger?) would be a neat addition.
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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Ya, I'm a fan of its looks. I think it's something fun that could be added. Plus, a ship of similar design (a little bigger?) would be a neat addition.

    Well, this is just my personal theory, but....

    The ship class that apparently followed the NX class was the Bonaventure class starship. Obviously, not too hard to see the design leaps in logic there.
    Now, flash forward to the STO times of 2409, and we have something that looks strikingly similar....
    Meet the Patrol escort type starships, the Dervish, Gryphon, Hermes, and Maelstrom class starships.
    But especially the Dervish.
    It's not hard to imagine that it's descended from the Bonaventure class starships. They look strikingly similar, despite the couple of hundred years difference in their design aesthetics; the basics are still there.
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  • o0kami87o0kami87 Member Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Maybe make it skinable on some of the escorts, but as for a t5 ship... too old
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  • ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    sorceror01 wrote: »
    Well, this is just my personal theory, but....

    The ship class that apparently followed the NX class was the Bonaventure class starship. Obviously, not too hard to see the design leaps in logic there.
    Now, flash forward to the STO times of 2409, and we have something that looks strikingly similar....
    Meet the Patrol escort type starships, the Dervish, Gryphon, Hermes, and Maelstrom class starships.
    But especially the Dervish.
    It's not hard to imagine that it's descended from the Bonaventure class starships. They look strikingly similar, despite the couple of hundred years difference in their design aesthetics; the basics are still there.

    That's true. It does look very much like the Bonaventure.
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  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yes! T5 version please! :D
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Sure, let's take the oldest Enterprise we can find and make it a T5. :rolleyes:
    I'm really not a fan of the constant 'we need a T5 connie' and etc. At best they'd be a frigate at this time. I don't even like that the T1-3 base ships have a T5 fleet version.
  • ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Sure, let's take the oldest Enterprise we can find and make it a T5. :rolleyes:
    I'm really not a fan of the constant 'we need a T5 connie' and etc. At best they'd be a frigate at this time. I don't even like that the T1-3 base ships have a T5 fleet version.

    Well, as I said, this ship was never made into canon. The Season 5 refit of the NX is nearly the same as the TMP refit of the Constitution Class. Even more so.

    Also, since it wasn't actually a canon ship, it could be a 2409 engineers pet project that was given the go ahead, and he just happened to love the NX replicas we have in-game now.

    Now... to me, being T5 doesn't mean it needs to be bristling with weapons, and so on. Which is why in my OP, I asked for alternative ideas. I think it's a very pretty ship.

    Also, it may be owned by CBS (I have no idea though) because season 5 was getting ready, and at the time, Drexler worked for the show and CBS. They may own it, and thus it could be easier than getting Rademaker's Vesta Class.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Sure, let's take the oldest Enterprise we can find and make it a T5. :rolleyes:
    I'm really not a fan of the constant 'we need a T5 connie' and etc. At best they'd be a frigate at this time. I don't even like that the T1-3 base ships have a T5 fleet version.

    Exactly my thoughts. What comes next? T5 Enterprise space shuttle?
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  • teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Exactly my thoughts. What comes next? T5 Enterprise space shuttle?

    There is a grave misconception as to what these ships actually are. If you put them into STO then they aren't the old ships (which there weren't enough of anyways), they are ships designed by the Starfleet Corps of Engineers to look like old ships. Do enough reading, and the literature backs me up.

    For all the people that say the design is what matters... I point to the Borg f'ing Cube.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    teknesia wrote: »
    There is a grave misconception as to what these ships actually are. If you put them into STO then they aren't the old ships (which there weren't enough of anyways), they are ships designed by the Starfleet Corps of Engineers to look like old ships. Do enough reading, and the literature backs me up.

    For all the people that say the design is what matters... I point to the Borg f'ing Cube.

    That's only applied to the NX-class, which have been labeled as replicas. The SCE is even stated to try and be as accurate as possible with their replica starship... meaning, the starship is virtually identical to the one produced by Earth Starfleet in the 2150's. The flaws are still there.*

    The TOS Connie, is said to be reactivated. They 'are' the old ships.

    Two examples of ships from an era long gone, which are or are virtually identical to, outdated starships. So my point still stands. When can I get my T5 space shuttle, since some of us are so desperate for old ships?


    *EDIT: This is no longer true, see post #21.
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  • ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    That's only applied to the NX-class, which have been labeled as replicas. The SCE is even stated to try and be as accurate as possible with their replica starship... meaning, the starship is virtually identical to the one produced by Earth Starfleet in the 2150's. The flaws are still there.

    The TOS Connie, on the other hand, is said to be reactivated. They 'are' the old ships.

    Is it out of the realm of possibility to claim these are brand new, specially designed modern ships?
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Is it out of the realm of possibility to claim these are brand new, specially designed modern ships?
    After Starfleet starships were converted to a modular design, a group from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers working at Utopia Planitia wondered if vessels from the Federation's past could be constructed in this manner. Working with Federation historian Geoffrey Pacelli, the SCE officers chose the famed NX Class for reconstruction. The NX Class Starship Replica sports the classic look of Earth's starships from the 22nd century, but has been updated with modern technology to meet current Starfleet specifications for Lieutenant-rank missions. It carries a crew of 85, and in a nod to the technology of the 22nd Century the SCE has added a Grappler, which is less efficient than a tractor beam but can hold an enemy for a short time. Note: Purchasing this ship from the C-Store unlocks it for all Federation characters on an account.

    I do apologize. You are right, they are new ships which only happen to look like the NX-class, but have a completely different internal arrangement.
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  • teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I do apologize. You are right, they are new ships which only happen to look like the NX-class, but have a completely different internal arrangement.

    Yeah, that was my understanding from reading about the SCE's modular design program. It's why the Constitution class you get at LtComdr is apparently just as good as the other two ships in its cruiser designation even though the other two clearly look more modern.

    It is kind of a space magic point to be making, but how much of Star Trek isn't a space magic argument? Particularly, in fact, the design of the NX-01 Enterprise since it was a ret-conned design based around the Akira class starship.
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  • teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I should add that while it will be quickly pointed out that the Re-fit Connie is LtCmdr vessel, the other two designations at LtCmdr are both accessible at Vice Admiral.

    I'm not trying to argue for the Fleet Connie (thanks CBS), but I am pointing out the deficiencies in the arguments surrounding the whole battle against "old ships".

    To be fair, I don't fly an Excelsior class Starship *anymore (it is a pretty ship)*, because I get weirded out at the idea of an Excelsior fighting off a Borg Cube by itself. However, I am not forced to fly an Excelsior class vessel anymore than someone would be forced to fly a refit NX or Connie. As far as STFs and the like go, when doing those, I pay more attention to what I'm supposed to be doing than other people's ships.
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  • redheadguyredheadguy Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    This ship here:

    http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/dgclaws/NX01refit.jpg

    http://strpg.patrickgoodman.org/documents/starships_resources/starships/Starfleet/Starfleet_NX-01-Refit.pdf

    A Doug Drexler creation.

    First, is there any desire to have this ship?

    Second, what could we do with it. or rather the devs, but you know what I mean.

    I think, since the ship is in the canon/non-canon mist, maybe CBS would allow the ship to be added to the game. I think we could argue here that it could be made a T5 ship, since it's not actually part of the canon. It could be a ship based off the NX design. An improvement brought about on the replica's (games lore) that we have now. The engineers went a little bonkers (engineers can get that way) and made a new and improved ship.

    The ship is, well, tiny in comparison to many other ships, so, I think we could all be creative in making it competitive. 8 weapons? A tad much I would think. So maybe a cruiser isn't what it would fit best as.

    In any case, discuss. Come on, we got the Vesta, and the Scimitar with its thaleron pulse, lets try for this one.

    Short answer - NO ;) I could give a longer answer. I could talk about "immersion braking" and a lot of other stuff. But really we don't need a T5 TOS connie.... Oh wait! That's not a TOS connie?? :eek: My mistake. My answer is still no. Sorry.
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  • teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    redheadguy wrote: »
    Short answer - NO ;) I could give a longer answer. I could talk about "immersion braking" and a lot of other stuff. But really we don't need a T5 TOS connie.... Oh wait! That's not a TOS connie?? :eek: My mistake. My answer is still no. Sorry.

    You could read through the comments to come to a sensible argument as to how it is neither A) Immersion breaking and B) not really a problem since you don't have to fly it and in multiplayer missions, it is best to be concerned with what you are doing for the group.
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  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Why the hell do other people even care about what another player flies?

    As long as it's not a T1-4 ship in an STF, who cares?

    If someone wants to fly a ship they like, then let them, just because you hate it doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to use it.
  • redheadguyredheadguy Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    teknesia wrote: »
    You could read through the comments to come to a sensible argument as to how it is neither A) Immersion breaking and B) not really a problem since you don't have to fly it and in multiplayer missions, it is best to be concerned with what you are doing for the group.

    The joke I was trying to make was this: it won't break immersion anymore than seeing someone flying around in a Bug Ship, or any other lock-box ship for that matter. I suppose I didn't word it very well so that part is on me.
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  • redheadguyredheadguy Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    teknesia wrote: »
    You could read through the comments to come to a sensible argument as to how it is neither A) Immersion breaking and B) not really a problem since you don't have to fly it and in multiplayer missions, it is best to be concerned with what you are doing for the group.

    Just to clarify: I'm all for both a T5 Connie AND this NX Refit being put in the game. Sadly, I don't think it will happen. You can thank CBS for that.
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  • ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    redheadguy wrote: »
    Just to clarify: I'm all for both a T5 Connie AND this NX Refit being put in the game. Sadly, I don't think it will happen. You can thank CBS for that.

    Ya, I didn't get the sarcasm of your first post either.

    Maybe a "/s" at the end of it, or something. ;)
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  • teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    redheadguy wrote: »
    The joke I was trying to make was this: it won't break immersion anymore than seeing someone flying around in a Bug Ship, or any other lock-box ship for that matter. I suppose I didn't word it very well so that part is on me.

    My bad. I didn't catch the sarcasm.
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