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flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
Right, so I'm five days in now, and have managed to bite my tongue (so to speak). Regular posters will probably have noticed I generally comment negatively where gameplay and content is concerned, I did so especially when it became apparent to us that the Green Guys were to join with the Blue or Red.

There were a few other occasions too, most noticeably regarding the server instability and support tickets.

As of July 1st though, I decided against complaining. It doesn't truly solve anything, and it only enrages other posters (because they agree or disagree) along with myself. I'd be amazed if such complaining didn't adjudicate the cryptic team either; seeing all their work torn apart and moaned about ~ for that I apologize.

I purchased a lifetime subscription back with the June sale, and I essentially restarted my account. I sold off most of my equipment and duty officers, though did throw some into the account bank and mail system (sales alone I easily made 200mil) and I then created four characters (2x Fed and 2x Kdf).

...I love the Romulans, but until their faction is complete in the sense that I'd like it, I have decided to not play as one. It's a simple solution for me. The same applies to special (lock box reward) ships; before I restarted, I had the Cardassian Galor, Jem Hadar Escort and Breen Christmas Ship; I didn't use them, and their purchases (through keys) was a waste. The most I ever got out of any of them was the ability to equip a Fleet Excelsior with Compressor Beams (worked a treat in STF's). Otherwise, they weren't for me. Thus as per my new characters; no opening boxes.

Anyway, as to why I'm writing all of this, it's primarily to thank Cryptic for bringing us this game, and for continuing to update it. Granted there are people (such as myself) who moan and complain from time to time, but truth be told, if the game was that bad, we wouldn't be around to moan and complain about it; we'd have left. People stick around because they care (at least, I'd like to think they do ~ I do). Henceforth, I'm taking an oath (for lack of a better phrase) to play this game for the enjoyment it brings me, and if something goes wrong with it, I'll wait for it to be fixed, and if something is released that I have no use for (Risian Corvette, Scimitar etc) then I'll simply avoid it.

So yeah, thanks Cryptic for the game, apologizes for my behavior/negative comments on the forums over the past couple of months and know that, for all my concerns, I do enjoy this game and will continue to play it as I have done the past year.
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  • drac0s65drac0s65 Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Here! Here!

    Well said.
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  • quepanquepan Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    i agree for all the things we find WRONG with the game there is alot in the game thats done RIGHT IMO .which is why we stay and hope that the wrong and broken stuff gets fixed .

    my rule of thumb is this when things are done right i buy zen , when wrong i buy zero ZEN.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Out of several million players, only you two are actually in agreement? :eek:

    I'm worried.
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Count me in! Well said btw!
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    OP -

    Your blood pressure and heart will thank you for quitting the addiction to complaining about STO! ;)
  • purplegamerpurplegamer Member Posts: 1,015 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'm curious, OP: If things bother you and you're usually pretty vocal, why censor yourself? It seems these days that people only want to hear optimism ("it's happy therefore it's good") and want to silence criticism ("it's unhappy and that's bad").

    So I guess in the general sense, I'm wondering when negativity and criticism (constructive) became taboo?
  • ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    drac0s65 wrote: »
    Here! Here!

    Well said.

    It's "hear hear"... as in "everyone hear this."
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'm curious, OP: If things bother you and you're usually pretty vocal, why censor yourself? It seems these days that people only want to hear optimism ("it's happy therefore it's good") and want to silence criticism ("it's unhappy and that's bad").

    So I guess in the general sense, I'm wondering when negativity and criticism (constructive) became taboo?

    It's not that, it's just that the criticism isn't constructive. (And hasn't been for some time now) :rolleyes:
  • purplegamerpurplegamer Member Posts: 1,015 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It's not that, it's just that the criticism isn't constructive. (And hasn't been for some time now) :rolleyes:

    There's plenty of constructive criticism to be found on this forum, but the same standard can and should be applied to positive feedback; sycophancy is just as meaningless and unhelpful as blind hate.
  • canisanubiscanisanubis Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The vast majority of the complaining tends to be of the 'Buff me and nerf them' flavour, with a solid undercurrent of 'The Devs hate faction X'. It's frankly just annoying. Yes, there's constructive criticism, and even some good ideas. But the signal to noise ratio is pitiful.
  • jetwtfjetwtf Member Posts: 1,207
    edited July 2013
    There is an equal amount of blind praise as there is of complaining just to complain. just look at all the rebuttal posts everytime someone has a genuine complaint, the cryptic does no wrong, L2P types that trolls these boards.

    Praise and complaints are both good, If something is broken and nobody complains is it really broken? If they create something good like the floaters and nobody praises them for it will they add more content in the future that uses them? Both answers are NO.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    Your blood pressure and heart will thank you for quitting the addiction to complaining about STO!
    ;)
    I'm curious, OP: If things bother you and you're usually pretty vocal, why censor yourself?
    I'm not going to stop commenting on something that annoys me, but I am going to stop whining about it. Previously, if something wasn't 'too my liking' I often jumped on the forums to have a moan without actually providing a solution. I just came on, said "this is ****" and expected something to be done about it without providing a reason or a conclusion.

    I'll still be around pointing out faults (somewhat) but when I do so now, it'll be less direct/abusive, and more constructive. At the end of the day though, everyone is complaining or commenting on a whole variety of issues, and only so many of those can be looked at.
    The vast majority of the complaining tends to be of the 'Buff me and nerf them' flavour, with a solid undercurrent of 'The Devs hate faction X'. It's frankly just annoying. Yes, there's constructive criticism, and even some good ideas. But the signal to noise ratio is pitiful.
    Oddly enough, I don't believe I've ever complained about this factor of the game. :P But then, I rarely PvP, so I shouldn't need too.
    jetwtf wrote: »
    Praise and complaints are both good, If something is broken and nobody complains is it really broken? If they create something good like the floaters and nobody praises them for it will they add more content in the future that uses them? Both answers are NO.
    A valid point.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I know how you feel, I also like to rant about STO because, well, it's not very good :D It's the only (mildly) Star Trek themed MMO in existence though, that's why I still stick around and get some enjoyment out of it. But it's still just a game - I don't actually heat up about it, when I rant about what's wrong in this game (lots and LOTS of stuff :D) I do enjoy that, to be honest. It's just a game, harmless fun and a target for nerdy nitpicking frenzy.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Something Something Something Fix bugs Something Something Something Fix this Bug NOT THAT ONE Something Something Something Dan lies Something Something Something Cryptic does not care Something Something Something PWE made this game great Something Something Something PWE killed this game Something Something Something Something I miss Atari Something Something You're wrong Something Something Something no you're wrong Something Something Something Fix PVP Something Something Something PVP boring Something Something Something PVE boring Something Something Something Feds get everything Something Something Something T5 Connie Something Something Something Escorts rule Something Something Something You just suck at Cruisers Something Something Something What about the KDF? Something Something Something You'll get nothing and LIKE IT!!!!
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  • voicesdarkvoicesdark Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The reality is the entire forum community and the player/Dev relationship has completely shifted especially since season 6. The forums used to be filled with very innovative, serious feedback, suggestions and constructive criticism. The most important aspect of that was there was a very open line of communication between the Devs and the players. It wasn't just a post here and there, but actually following threads on important topics, adding in their perspective and really sharing information whenever they could.

    Then either PWE or Cryptic seemingly slammed down a STFU hammer, and ever since there has been very little to no open communications like it used to be.

    Instead of recognizing this as an error and taking steps to correct it (even if not fully) Cryptic and PWE have continued on with this policy. The players frustrations have boiled over logic, and now we have the near total breakdown of communications between players and Devs. Cryptic's unwillingness to discuss important "hot topics" in the Ask Cryptic are clear evidence of this, and so is their removal of that means of communication.

    Yes there is an excessive amount of whining on the forums, and numerous loads of garbage and player political posturing. However, there are still players that do really care about the game and its future, but there's also a breaking point in that as well.

    Bioware learned this lesson all too well with the enragement over the ending of Mass Effect 3. The difference is Bioware realized they were doing something wrong in the players eyes, and while it may not have adhered to their vision of the game, they realized players are more important and created the alternative ending. Anyone familiar with the game series can tell you what a night and day difference that new ending made, and it was because Bioware was intelligent enough to listen to their customers.

    Cryptic aren't the voiceless ones in this, we are. They have become so intent on using their spreadsheets to determine what players like and don't like based on what's being played that they don't even realize those numbers are meaningless. How many countless threads have there been that fleet projects needs to be severely scaled down in resources, or that people are tired of the amount of grinding systems being added? You can pointlessly grind away with your fleet of 10,20 people and every single one of them hate every single second of it, but because that's where the best gear is they'll still attempt it, all the while hoping something will finally change. That's only one of many examples, but because their data says people are doing it, they think we all love it.

    I'm not saying Cryptic haven't done things right, the new Romulan missions are great and easily the best content in the game, but none of that matters when it;s completely overshadowed by what's being done wrong and when there's no customer feedback consideration.

    I do agree with the OP that ********, moaning, and whining aren't the right ways to handle things, but neither is pointing out the few things that have been done right, when there's so much that's been done wrong.
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  • clcmercyclcmercy Member, Banned Users Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It's not that, it's just that the criticism isn't constructive

    Well, for someone without the technical knowledge of game design or graphic design or coding or...well...making games; the only constructive criticism that CAN be given is "I don't like how this works. It doesn't seem fun." I see plenty of that in all three of Craptic's game forums. Well, Champions is mostly "HEY!! Please stop neglecting us!!"

    Personally, I don't design games, so the only critique I can offer is "It feels too grindy." Or perhaps "It doesn't seem to follow any logical progression." "Cameras are wonky." "I keep having to reset x when I login. Why can't the game remember my settings." Stuff of that nature.

    Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "The criticism is for the sake of complaining and not improvement.", because I can assure you, those above statements are very true as to how I feel about all three of Craptic's games, yet I have no offered solutions, for I know not what programming or coding is all about. All I can do is relay how the game makes me feel. How it plays for me. If that's not "constructive", then I don't know what is.

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  • purplegamerpurplegamer Member Posts: 1,015 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Agreed.

    Biggest problem with STO, and for that matter pretty much any MMO, is player expectations.

    Amost every player of STO undoubtedly has their own idea of what should happen with the game, what should take priority and when it should happen.

    For example, see any maintaince thread during maintainance time. Players who routinely complain about bugs etc THEN complain that the servers get taken down so that said issues can be addressed. Says it all really.

    Moral of the story? There is NO pleasing most MMO players - most want everything and they DON'T want to wait for it.

    That shouldn't give developers a pass to blackout communication and sit on issues. The developers' responsibility is to filter through what's being said and locate common threads of concern. For example: long-standing quality of life issues seem to be a consistent problem for STO--many of which are well documented in pages-long threads months and sometimes years old.

    The fact of the matter is that something changed at Cryptic. Open communication used to be a hallmark of the community here at STO, but it isn't anymore. There was a near total blackout right as LoR launched (remember how often the developers were posting to let us know how amazing the expansion would be?). The only thing that will come of this is more numerous and louder complaints. This community will fester without consistent and meaningful developer interaction.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Something Something Something Fix bugs Something Something Something Fix this Bug NOT THAT ONE Something Something Something Dan lies Something Something Something Cryptic does not care Something Something Something PWE made this game great Something Something Something PWE killed this game Something Something Something Something I miss Atari Something Something You're wrong Something Something Something no you're wrong Something Something Something Fix PVP Something Something Something PVP boring Something Something Something PVE boring Something Something Something Feds get everything Something Something Something T5 Connie Something Something Something Escorts rule Something Something Something You just suck at Cruisers Something Something Something What about the KDF? Something Something Something You'll get nothing and LIKE IT!!!!

    Now this is genuinely one of the funniest posts I have ever seen.
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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Something Something Something Fix bugs Something Something Something Fix this Bug NOT THAT ONE Something Something Something Dan lies Something Something Something Cryptic does not care Something Something Something PWE made this game great Something Something Something PWE killed this game Something Something Something Something I miss Atari Something Something You're wrong Something Something Something no you're wrong Something Something Something Fix PVP Something Something Something PVP boring Something Something Something PVE boring Something Something Something Feds get everything Something Something Something T5 Connie Something Something Something Escorts rule Something Something Something You just suck at Cruisers Something Something Something What about the KDF? Something Something Something You'll get nothing and LIKE IT!!!!

    You just won the internet !!!!! Congratulations !!!! :D
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