I've always wondered, where are the original cast of TNG, DS9 and Voyager in the STO timeline, and what has happened to them?
From what I recall of the official STO background:
-Data is an admiral now, and was at Memory Alpha (and I would assume the Doctor and Seven of Nine are there as well).
-O'Brien is an instructor at the Academy
-Janeway is an Admiral (as she was, canonically, in Voyager's finale and Nemesis)
-Kira is now the Kai of Bajor
-I had heard mention somewhere that either Rom or Nog is now the Grand Nagus.
-Garak is a member of the Detapa Council on Cardassia.
-Worf, obviously, is a senior member of House Martok, and Alexander is a temporal scientist.
-Wesley Crusher, like Alexander, has become a top ranking Federation scientist.
-If the timeline is the same as the future glimpsed in the Voyager finale, then Harry Kim is captain of the U.S.S. Rhode Island.
Beyond that, what do you guys and gals think happened to Picard, Riker, Dax, Tuvok, Bashir, Geordi, Troi, etc?
Riker...would he not be an Admiral with a Dreadnought Cruiser ? or is that a bad timeline ?...actually why the hell is that ship in the game ?! oh dear...must be Janeways fault...she's actually probably in a temporal prison somewhere...
pretty sure Sisko is a completely whacked out university professor
- Data was captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise - E, that went missing if I understand it correctly and haven't misread sth. I'm not sure what the Doctor is doing, however Seven of Nine left Starfleet when they decided to dismantle the Anti-Borg task force and she joined the Daystorm Institute.
- I think O'Brien got promoted to Head of Starfleet Corps of Engineers.
- Yes, Janeway is an Admiral as seen in the movies.
- I have no idea about Kira, so I'm going to take your word for that.
- Rom is the Grand Nagus of the Ferengi Alliance and Nog was Chief Engineer of the U.S.S. Enterprise - E.
- Garak is in the Detapa Council.
- Worf is the gin'tak of the House of Martok, and spoiler =>Alexander died by the hand of Torg trying to protect Worf (from the new KDF missions added in LoR)
- I have no idea about Wesley, so I'm taking your word on that one as well.
- Harry Kim runs Starbase 119. (not sure about the number atm)
- Riker is the Captain of the U.S.S Titan as far as I know.
- Beverly Crusher is the Captain of U.S.S. Pasteur.
- Geordi La Forge left Starfleet to work in the Daystrom Institute, but I think the joined back. (not sure about wheather he re-joined Starfleet)
- Jean-Luc Picard is retired and lives in France. He makes one hell of a wine.
- The last I heard of Tuvok is that he was amongst the officers that protested the Anti-Borg task force being dismantled, but I'm not sure if he left Stafleet like Seven over that or remained an Officer.
- Chakotay is the Head of Starfleet Inteligence.
- Ezri Dax was the captain of the U.S.S. Aventine from the "Destiny" novels, but I'm not sure what is Cryptic's take on it in STO. We have the Vesta Class, so Ezri might be considered Captain of the U.S.S. Aventine even in STO.
- Benjamin Sisko is in the Celestial Temple with the Prophets.
- I really have no idea about Julien Bashir and Diana Troy or any of the other main cast that I didn't mention already.
Doesn't the text in the Badlands mission mention that Riker is an Admiral now? I seem to recall that, but it's been a long time since I did that mission.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Denna Trio is married to Riker and was assigned to the Titan so if Riker still serves as Captain of the Titan, then its likely she still serves on the Titan as well.
In STO being an Admiral doesn't mean he isn't captain of the Titan (there's a difference between miliary rank of captain and being the captain of a ship which is a station on a ship).
While I did go through ''The path to 2409'', I didn't do any specific research because it matters little to me.
As far as I am concerned, at least on the Fed side, it's your character's turn to be the hero, to be the new Archer, Kirk, Picard, Janeway or Sisko. (whichever you liked best)
And I treat it as such, I suppose it's also a downside to the Fed side though, no matter who your player captain is, to most of the playerbase it means nothing compared to aforementioned canon protagonist captains.
I mean, how many Kerk's, Piccerds, Janewai's and Cesco's do we have commanding Enterpreces and other badly spelled and badly made imitations?
It's why I do like the new Republic faction so much, it offers much more liberty in an original story and I'm glad Cryptic is using it.
Kira as the Kai is mentioned in the temple offerings mission on DS9.
Riker is an admiral as mentioned in the rap up of the mission where you meet his "nephew." No clue if still commanding the titan or not.
Troi is a captain and heading up some hologram design team (or something) on Jupiter Station. The daughter of her and Will married the son of Picard and Crusher and they have three kids and a vineyard on Mars. (STO novel "Road to 2409")
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- Data was captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise - E, that went missing if I understand it correctly and haven't misread sth. I'm not sure what the Doctor is doing, however Seven of Nine left Starfleet when they decided to dismantle the Anti-Borg task force and she joined the Daystorm Institute.
Christine "Kestrel" Thompson wrote in a ST Magazine that Data is now a teacher on Oxford and the new Captain of the Enterprise (Shon) went there to ask him for advice on how to command the flagship.
It is said there, that the Enterprise E was really importart to stop a massive war againts the Undine, we dont know the fate the of ship, but Data manage to bring the crew back safe.
Are you sure? How come there's an Enterprise-F then?? :eek:
It's easier for Cryptic to use their own Enterprise F then use the E since the F is there own creation they have more freedom to write and use it as well as players using the foundry to use the F since it's Cryptic made ship...plus it's been over 30 years the E is old.....so the fate of the Enterprise E is left open ended in case CBS wishes to use the E for other projects.
I think I heard it was mentioned in the star trek books that Janeway killed herself along with some borg whilst the borg where trying to make her into their new queen (since she killed the old one), this was shortly after Nemesis.
I think I heard it was mentioned in the star trek books that Janeway killed herself along with some borg whilst the borg where trying to make her into their new queen (since she killed the old one), this was shortly after Nemesis.
I read the Destiny trilogy and I'm pretty sure that the novel series and STO are two very-very different universes. Two alternate, parallel storylines. For example, Destiny trilogy has huge impact to the borg storylines - but this impact is not reflected in the game.
Adm. Chakotay is the head of Starfleet Intelligence.
Cmdr. Naomi Wildman and the Borg Kids from Voyager run Deep Space K-7.
Lt. Miral Paris is security chief of the USS Kirk.
The books are irrelevant.
As far as STO goes, anything that happened between 2379 (Nemesis) and 2409 (Now) is either covered in The Path to 2409 or it didn't happen.
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As far as I am concerned, at least on the Fed side, it's your character's turn to be the hero, to be the new Archer, Kirk, Picard, Janeway or Sisko. (whichever you liked best)
And I treat it as such, I suppose it's also a downside to the Fed side though, no matter who your player captain is, to most of the playerbase it means nothing compared to aforementioned canon protagonist captains.
I mean, how many Kerk's, Piccerds, Janewai's and Cesco's do we have commanding Enterpreces and other badly spelled and badly made imitations?
Indeed. I also can't understand the excitement the whole "new Enterprise" marketing event generated from the player base. I could not care less about that andorian beyond shaking my head at him loosing a perfectly good Defiant class by standing still, what a noob.
This thread is kinda depressing. It makes the game feel like terrible fanfiction when every single canon character has somehow ended up in a position of extreme importance.
I literally groaned at the offhand mention of "Kai Kira" in the Cardassian arc. She's a military officer! "General Kira" would have been unneccesary, but at least reasonable. Instead they had to go all the way and make her the space pope. I suppose that's not necessarily Nerys, but why else would the writers use that name?
This thread is kinda depressing. It makes the game feel like terrible fanfiction when every single canon character has somehow ended up in a position of extreme importance.
I literally groaned at the offhand mention of "Kai Kira" in the Cardassian arc. She's a military officer! "General Kira" would have been unneccesary, but at least reasonable. Instead they had to go all the way and make her the space pope. I suppose that's not necessarily Nerys, but why else would the writers use that name?
I agree with this completely. I love a little reference to a character here and there but: almost everyone in the shows being Captains/Admirals and running 2/3rds of the Federation is lame.
Kai Kira?
The Voyager kids running a starbase?
Data at Oxford?
bleh.
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Data is dead no way you can reconstruct him from b4 and if he is around then James T Kirk is around to.
Reconstruction seems canon. Ending of Nemesis clearly indicates this; plus Countdown comic series is also canon. It is a prequel to the first Abrams ST movie and in this comic Data is the captain of the Enterprise-E. STO storyline embraced this element.
I agree with this completely. I love a little reference to a character here and there but: almost everyone in the shows being Captains/Admirals and running 2/3rds of the Federation is lame.
Kai Kira?
The Voyager kids running a starbase?
Data at Oxford?
bleh.
Cryptic takes little things from the books, and shows....like in All good things Data became a professor in Oxford and Data is still alive in the STO universe, thanks for the B4 Spock resurrection. .....in the Books Kira becomes Ki, and she is very religious in the show a lot that was her thing so it makes sense for her to be a Ki since she is well respected both on Bajor and by the Federation.....as for the kids which is just two people since the other kids went home it's just Iceb and Wildmen ....but they were young on the show so I would expect to see them as adults in the game.
Reconstruction seems canon. Ending of Nemesis clearly indicates this; plus Countdown comic series is also canon. It is a prequel to the first Abrams ST movie and in this comic Data is the captain of the Enterprise-E. STO storyline embraced this element.
Wrong and JJs movie is not of that of Gene who brought Data in he is DEAD.Who cares what countdown comics say that is no canon.
And because there is a new ship with the same name you assume that the ship was destroy?
The E-E was a 40 years old ship, for all we know is in a museum now.
I didn't say it got destroyed. I said it went missing because that's how it's presented to us in the game's own lore. I never before had the opportunity to read the info from the link you posted, so with what I can get in the game I had no idea that Data returned with the crew and so on.
It's easier for Cryptic to use their own Enterprise F then use the E since the F is there own creation they have more freedom to write and use it as well as players using the foundry to use the F since it's Cryptic made ship...plus it's been over 30 years the E is old.....so the fate of the Enterprise E is left open ended in case CBS wishes to use the E for other projects.
I completely understand that they needed to make a new Enterprise that can be used with more leisure that consulting and screening every detail with CBS on the Enterprise-E. That's why I suposed it went missing in the first place - it's missing, so not necessarily destroyed and it can be returned if needed at a later date. Meanwhile, because the E is missing for a long time, Starfleet commisions the new F under Shon's command.
So what I ment was, what is the in game explanation of the Enterprise-F if the Enterprise-E didn't go missing and was still around. Did it get decomissioned? (I'm serious, I might have missed if it did)
I didn't say it got destroyed. I said it went missing because that's how it's presented to us in the game's own lore. I never before had the opportunity to read the info from the link you posted, so with what I can get in the game I had no idea that Data returned with the crew and so on.
I wouldn't apothoesise(sp) anything it was wrong for Cryptic to even meantion this in this game.
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I literally groaned at the offhand mention of "Kai Kira" in the Cardassian arc. She's a military officer! "General Kira" would have been unneccesary, but at least reasonable. Instead they had to go all the way and make her the space pope. I suppose that's not necessarily Nerys, but why else would the writers use that name?
I searched for a bit of information on that after my initial post in this thread and it seems that there is a popular series of novels where she had become a Vedek by the 2380's, based on her close ties to the emissary, some sort of near death-experience and her encounters with the prophets.
Since Cryptic base a lot of their post-Nemesis lore on novels and books, that might be an explaination.
The E-E was a 40 years old ship, for all we know is in a museum now.
Or it followed the fate of a lot of current, famous warships (inluding the current USS-Enterprise) and simply got broken up, melted down and turned into razorblades, cooking pots or something similar after 30-40 years of active duty...
The E-E was a 40 years old ship, for all we know is in a museum now.
That would actually be an awfully short natural lifespan for a starship. According to the TNG tech manual, the Galaxy class was designed to last 100+ years.
I think the real reason for putting the Enterprise-F in-game is that they don't have to worry about contradicting any Enterprise-E stories that may be published in other media (novels, etc). CBS might also have had something to say about this.
I literally groaned at the offhand mention of "Kai Kira" in the Cardassian arc. She's a military officer! "General Kira" would have been unneccesary, but at least reasonable. Instead they had to go all the way and make her the space pope. I suppose that's not necessarily Nerys, but why else would the writers use that name?
I actually think that Kira becoming Kai would be a fascinating development of her character. She may be a military officer, but Bajoran religion was always extremely important to her. She dated a Vedek, was close with the Emissary, and clearly cared a lot for her people. It'd be a huge career shift, but I don't think it's absurd.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
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Riker...would he not be an Admiral with a Dreadnought Cruiser ? or is that a bad timeline ?...actually why the hell is that ship in the game ?! oh dear...must be Janeways fault...she's actually probably in a temporal prison somewhere...
pretty sure Sisko is a completely whacked out university professor
Captain of the USS Aventine (Scource: Vesta text, c-store)
He commanded the Challenger and helped spock design JJTreks "Jellyfish"
Not teh "real" Riker, but we get to meet Thomas Rikers son in the Cardie story arc.
Is there any other scource of it, other than the mention of a Kai Kira?
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Alexander has become a diplomat and plays a vital role in one of the Klingon story arcs.
Thomas Riker is dead, trying to save his wife.
Q your better off not knowing. Your human mind couldn't comprehend anyway.
- Data was captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise - E, that went missing if I understand it correctly and haven't misread sth. I'm not sure what the Doctor is doing, however Seven of Nine left Starfleet when they decided to dismantle the Anti-Borg task force and she joined the Daystorm Institute.
- I think O'Brien got promoted to Head of Starfleet Corps of Engineers.
- Yes, Janeway is an Admiral as seen in the movies.
- I have no idea about Kira, so I'm going to take your word for that.
- Rom is the Grand Nagus of the Ferengi Alliance and Nog was Chief Engineer of the U.S.S. Enterprise - E.
- Garak is in the Detapa Council.
- Worf is the gin'tak of the House of Martok, and spoiler => Alexander died by the hand of Torg trying to protect Worf (from the new KDF missions added in LoR)
- I have no idea about Wesley, so I'm taking your word on that one as well.
- Harry Kim runs Starbase 119. (not sure about the number atm)
- Riker is the Captain of the U.S.S Titan as far as I know.
- Beverly Crusher is the Captain of U.S.S. Pasteur.
- Geordi La Forge left Starfleet to work in the Daystrom Institute, but I think the joined back. (not sure about wheather he re-joined Starfleet)
- Jean-Luc Picard is retired and lives in France. He makes one hell of a wine.
- The last I heard of Tuvok is that he was amongst the officers that protested the Anti-Borg task force being dismantled, but I'm not sure if he left Stafleet like Seven over that or remained an Officer.
- Chakotay is the Head of Starfleet Inteligence.
- Ezri Dax was the captain of the U.S.S. Aventine from the "Destiny" novels, but I'm not sure what is Cryptic's take on it in STO. We have the Vesta Class, so Ezri might be considered Captain of the U.S.S. Aventine even in STO.
- Benjamin Sisko is in the Celestial Temple with the Prophets.
- I really have no idea about Julien Bashir and Diana Troy or any of the other main cast that I didn't mention already.
As far as I am concerned, at least on the Fed side, it's your character's turn to be the hero, to be the new Archer, Kirk, Picard, Janeway or Sisko. (whichever you liked best)
And I treat it as such, I suppose it's also a downside to the Fed side though, no matter who your player captain is, to most of the playerbase it means nothing compared to aforementioned canon protagonist captains.
I mean, how many Kerk's, Piccerds, Janewai's and Cesco's do we have commanding Enterpreces and other badly spelled and badly made imitations?
It's why I do like the new Republic faction so much, it offers much more liberty in an original story and I'm glad Cryptic is using it.
Riker is an admiral as mentioned in the rap up of the mission where you meet his "nephew." No clue if still commanding the titan or not.
Troi is a captain and heading up some hologram design team (or something) on Jupiter Station. The daughter of her and Will married the son of Picard and Crusher and they have three kids and a vineyard on Mars. (STO novel "Road to 2409")
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So the text in the "Path to 2409" is a typo?
The Enterprise E went in search of a missing star base....it did not go missing
Are you sure? How come there's an Enterprise-F then?? :eek:
Wrong, the Enterprise went to investigates the loss of contact with Starbase 236.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/U.S.S._Enterprise_%28NCC-1701-E%29
Christine "Kestrel" Thompson wrote in a ST Magazine that Data is now a teacher on Oxford and the new Captain of the Enterprise (Shon) went there to ask him for advice on how to command the flagship.
http://titanmagazines.com/t/star-trek/us/40/
It is said there, that the Enterprise E was really importart to stop a massive war againts the Undine, we dont know the fate the of ship, but Data manage to bring the crew back safe.
Sorry for bad english.
And because there is a new ship with the same name you assume that the ship was destroy?
The E-E was a 40 years old ship, for all we know is in a museum now.
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It's easier for Cryptic to use their own Enterprise F then use the E since the F is there own creation they have more freedom to write and use it as well as players using the foundry to use the F since it's Cryptic made ship...plus it's been over 30 years the E is old.....so the fate of the Enterprise E is left open ended in case CBS wishes to use the E for other projects.
Yeah not ALL ships are destroyed before they are replaced :cool:
I read the Destiny trilogy and I'm pretty sure that the novel series and STO are two very-very different universes. Two alternate, parallel storylines. For example, Destiny trilogy has huge impact to the borg storylines - but this impact is not reflected in the game.
Cmdr. Naomi Wildman and the Borg Kids from Voyager run Deep Space K-7.
Lt. Miral Paris is security chief of the USS Kirk.
The books are irrelevant.
As far as STO goes, anything that happened between 2379 (Nemesis) and 2409 (Now) is either covered in The Path to 2409 or it didn't happen.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Indeed. I also can't understand the excitement the whole "new Enterprise" marketing event generated from the player base. I could not care less about that andorian beyond shaking my head at him loosing a perfectly good Defiant class by standing still, what a noob.
I literally groaned at the offhand mention of "Kai Kira" in the Cardassian arc. She's a military officer! "General Kira" would have been unneccesary, but at least reasonable. Instead they had to go all the way and make her the space pope. I suppose that's not necessarily Nerys, but why else would the writers use that name?
I agree with this completely. I love a little reference to a character here and there but: almost everyone in the shows being Captains/Admirals and running 2/3rds of the Federation is lame.
Kai Kira?
The Voyager kids running a starbase?
Data at Oxford?
bleh.
Data is dead no way you can reconstruct him from b4 and if he is around then James T Kirk is around to.
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Reconstruction seems canon. Ending of Nemesis clearly indicates this; plus Countdown comic series is also canon. It is a prequel to the first Abrams ST movie and in this comic Data is the captain of the Enterprise-E. STO storyline embraced this element.
Cryptic takes little things from the books, and shows....like in All good things Data became a professor in Oxford and Data is still alive in the STO universe, thanks for the B4 Spock resurrection. .....in the Books Kira becomes Ki, and she is very religious in the show a lot that was her thing so it makes sense for her to be a Ki since she is well respected both on Bajor and by the Federation.....as for the kids which is just two people since the other kids went home it's just Iceb and Wildmen ....but they were young on the show so I would expect to see them as adults in the game.
Wrong and JJs movie is not of that of Gene who brought Data in he is DEAD.Who cares what countdown comics say that is no canon.
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Then that means James T Kirk is alive as well.
Yes I ma big Kirk TMP fan over Picard and TNG.
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I didn't say it got destroyed. I said it went missing because that's how it's presented to us in the game's own lore. I never before had the opportunity to read the info from the link you posted, so with what I can get in the game I had no idea that Data returned with the crew and so on.
I completely understand that they needed to make a new Enterprise that can be used with more leisure that consulting and screening every detail with CBS on the Enterprise-E. That's why I suposed it went missing in the first place - it's missing, so not necessarily destroyed and it can be returned if needed at a later date. Meanwhile, because the E is missing for a long time, Starfleet commisions the new F under Shon's command.
So what I ment was, what is the in game explanation of the Enterprise-F if the Enterprise-E didn't go missing and was still around. Did it get decomissioned? (I'm serious, I might have missed if it did)
I wouldn't apothoesise(sp) anything it was wrong for Cryptic to even meantion this in this game.
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I searched for a bit of information on that after my initial post in this thread and it seems that there is a popular series of novels where she had become a Vedek by the 2380's, based on her close ties to the emissary, some sort of near death-experience and her encounters with the prophets.
Since Cryptic base a lot of their post-Nemesis lore on novels and books, that might be an explaination.
Or it followed the fate of a lot of current, famous warships (inluding the current USS-Enterprise) and simply got broken up, melted down and turned into razorblades, cooking pots or something similar after 30-40 years of active duty...
I think the real reason for putting the Enterprise-F in-game is that they don't have to worry about contradicting any Enterprise-E stories that may be published in other media (novels, etc). CBS might also have had something to say about this.
I actually think that Kira becoming Kai would be a fascinating development of her character. She may be a military officer, but Bajoran religion was always extremely important to her. She dated a Vedek, was close with the Emissary, and clearly cared a lot for her people. It'd be a huge career shift, but I don't think it's absurd.