Since there's a zen sales, I am planning to make some purchase. However, I am debating which ship to get.
KDF: Sci. Still atemtpting to find a playstyle, but most of the time I stick with my carriers Already have:
-Vo'quv
-Kar'fi
-Kamarag Retro Possible purchase:
-B'rel retrofit (I already have a T'varo Retro thru legacy pack, but it's at Rom-KDF-tac, not pure KDF)
-Grumba
-Maybe a flight deck cruiser or Battle cruiser?
Fed: Engineer. prefer to survive by passive means (as in use less ability - less ability use = longer staying power). Also prefer carrier play Already have:
-Steamrunner
-MVAE (on a Mirror Patrol)
-Enteprise C retro
-HEC... but I dislike the fact that it is squishy. Possible choices:
-Vesta 3-pack
-Atrox
I know there are many discussion on Vesta, but I am still a bit confused as to how would Vesta play when compare to HEC. I will build it upon the tac variant, use all 3 universal console, use Aux DHC to max out Aux power (debatign between 2x DHC+1x trop or a torp style build). The sci console will be stuff with SHield-HP boosters. On sci boff I will be using transfer shield I, polarize hull II, Hazard III, and Gravity Well III. The tac Boff will be ensign and lt, while the eng will be lt and lt-cm. It will be mainly a shield-based tanking carrier.
if I get the Atrox instead, The lt-cm sci will be focused on self heal and a debuff similar to APB-II, in order to give it similar spec to Vo'quv.
My budget should be around 7500 zen
No RR purchase since I got legacy pack and scimatar-pack is not on sale this time.
Can't talk about KDF because I haven't messed with them enough, but I'll toss my 2cp for the fed ships since I own both of your possible choices.
The Atrox is a decent ship, but it's going to fly like your KDF carriers(possibly worse since it has the worst turn rate in the game to my knowledge). Pet wise, have absolutely no expectations since Fed pets are a joke compared to what the KDF get. I think it would have been nice to play around with the new romulan pets.. but you know how that is (gtfo romulan dreadnaught only). Edit: the boff layout is kind of funky, kind of wish the eng lt cmdr was a universal or was just a lt with a universal ensign. I personally didn't think it was a big deal, but I like to use the universal ensign for polarize hull on my ships.
Vesta's are the better Fed science ships. I only have the recon because that was the only one I wanted. The set looks appealing, but the only set I hear anyone say anything worth while about is the tal shiar because it passively adds radiation damage to damaging sci abilities(that was how I read it). The Vesta set seems to be defensive and have a passive sector space speed bonus perk. As far as the console on my ship, I like/use it because it gets modified by a particle generators/phaser relays/aux power all without having to have a beam weapon. You'll get mixed feelings about the aux dhc it comes with because there are "better" weapons or because cryptic thinks that its fair to have two ways to disable them(wpn or aux can be disabled to take them offline). I personally like and use them because my aux sits at 129~ish for my sci abilities. I don't really care about the disable issue because there's usually an escort or cruiser around to help with shields and you can always pop your deflector "phaser" while they're down. The real perk, imo, is the hangar. I've tried all of the pets and fighters seem to be the most efficient(probably the same as your HEC).
I've tried to stick with cons because that's usually the hardest thing to dig up since so many people will turn every little thing into a bug/defect/not working as intended issue. Good luck in whatever you get and if you get stuck on the fence I would suggest not buying anything.
Edit: Also, don't limit yourself to zen ships. You can always sell keys on the exchange and buy whatever box you want. (Temporal, Tholian, Jem'Hadar or Tal Shiar) with 7500zen you could get 6 10 pack of keys for 6750zen @ ~ 1450000x60 =~ 87000000. Enough to buy almost any ship you want that can be used for either KDS or Fed.
Well, I also kinda want to take advantage of the zen sales. Otherwise it's gonna be a tholian carrier (since it have uni commander)
Man, it's so much easier to buy KDF ship, since every ship is unique... while the Fed is like a huge question mark. In fact, it was mainly due to the poor choice of carriers selection that made me play KDF and Rom more, but I always want to go back to Fed play.
if i would have an option to give it away to some one i would make a free gift.
no comparison to any klingon carrier. i got voquv and karfi myself. atrox isn't fun at all.
if i would have an option to give it away to some one i would make a free gift.
no comparison to any klingon carrier. i got voquv and karfi myself. atrox isn't fun at all.
I know it's really sci-heavy (which was why I got HEC instead of Atrox), but I am surprise it is that bad. If anyone that also have Atrox, can you please tell me if it's really that bad?
I will consider that. Is plasmonic leech really that powerful?
well, with my decent skills its -17 on everything for enemy and +17 for me. its definitely one of the beset consoles out there. plus on kdf side you buy it one and use for all characters since its a zen ship.
I know it's really sci-heavy (which was why I got HEC instead of Atrox), but I am surprise it is that bad. If anyone that also have Atrox, can you please tell me if it's really that bad?
well, comparison between atrox and voquv:
voquv get +5 weapon power, which means 10% dps.
atrox get +5 shield, which is 1.4% more resists on shield and a tiny bit more shield regen.
voquv has lt.com. tactical skill, wich means either torp spread 3, scatter volley 2 or fire at will 3.
atrox has a science one. how many skill on science lt.com. slot can do the same amount of damage? its like to compare weak grav well 1, which have long and shared cd to 56 torps fired by torp spread 3.
on voquv and karfi i do grav well 3 -> (on karfi beta 1) ->scatter 1->torp spread 3. usually after this most of the spawn is dead. frigates do the rest.
you can't do this on atrox, only something a like with a cluster tropedo.
and there are no frigate grade pets for atrox, those fighters are a lackluster.
where bops from voquv are the force on their own.
and there is still no fleet grade atrox.
Atrox is my first and best ship, which I grinded back when zen was like 300.
Still fly her and I still love her. That being said the main fun is her being the biggest ship and the pets and so I would never recommnd anyone buy an atrox.
Guramba I have too and it is a dps monster. The transformation animation is what attracted me to it really. I really like that and the whole design of it.
I mainly used it for pve and in my experience she is sort of fragile for the attention she draws. With 2 x field emitter it's not so bad I guess playing her as a tac I brought it on myself.
Then of course there is the javelin, great fun too just note when in attack mode and charging it you can' turn at all - so you extra vulnerable.
The only reason I am not flying it at the moment is grinding eSTF in carriers is easier.
Recluse carrier I am not entirely sure.
At first the commander universal looked good. Then I got to thinking when she can load cannon, she HAS to, right? Well if you want the cutting beam on and maybe the romulan torpedo you quickly running out of slots. And, she seems too slow for cannons.
So at the moment, where I am still missing rep gear, I am actually making her into a controller using tactical stations. I am still having a lot of problems getting everything to fit.
But true enough you can get really creative with her. The pets themselves I don't like very much.
Vesta I only heard good things about but never played it myself
Hmm... so the question is: should I use this sale to buy ship that I will very likely to get, or ships that may not be that interested but nice to have?
Hello? I really hate to bump, but I just want some suggestion, especially on the Fed side, whether to buy ship that I more or less want, or just a nice to have ship.
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The Atrox is a decent ship, but it's going to fly like your KDF carriers(possibly worse since it has the worst turn rate in the game to my knowledge). Pet wise, have absolutely no expectations since Fed pets are a joke compared to what the KDF get. I think it would have been nice to play around with the new romulan pets.. but you know how that is (gtfo romulan dreadnaught only). Edit: the boff layout is kind of funky, kind of wish the eng lt cmdr was a universal or was just a lt with a universal ensign. I personally didn't think it was a big deal, but I like to use the universal ensign for polarize hull on my ships.
Vesta's are the better Fed science ships. I only have the recon because that was the only one I wanted. The set looks appealing, but the only set I hear anyone say anything worth while about is the tal shiar because it passively adds radiation damage to damaging sci abilities(that was how I read it). The Vesta set seems to be defensive and have a passive sector space speed bonus perk. As far as the console on my ship, I like/use it because it gets modified by a particle generators/phaser relays/aux power all without having to have a beam weapon. You'll get mixed feelings about the aux dhc it comes with because there are "better" weapons or because cryptic thinks that its fair to have two ways to disable them(wpn or aux can be disabled to take them offline). I personally like and use them because my aux sits at 129~ish for my sci abilities. I don't really care about the disable issue because there's usually an escort or cruiser around to help with shields and you can always pop your deflector "phaser" while they're down. The real perk, imo, is the hangar. I've tried all of the pets and fighters seem to be the most efficient(probably the same as your HEC).
I've tried to stick with cons because that's usually the hardest thing to dig up since so many people will turn every little thing into a bug/defect/not working as intended issue. Good luck in whatever you get and if you get stuck on the fence I would suggest not buying anything.
Edit: Also, don't limit yourself to zen ships. You can always sell keys on the exchange and buy whatever box you want. (Temporal, Tholian, Jem'Hadar or Tal Shiar) with 7500zen you could get 6 10 pack of keys for 6750zen @ ~ 1450000x60 =~ 87000000. Enough to buy almost any ship you want that can be used for either KDS or Fed.
Man, it's so much easier to buy KDF ship, since every ship is unique... while the Fed is like a huge question mark. In fact, it was mainly due to the poor choice of carriers selection that made me play KDF and Rom more, but I always want to go back to Fed play.
no comparison to any klingon carrier. i got voquv and karfi myself. atrox isn't fun at all.
I will consider that. Is plasmonic leech really that powerful?
I know it's really sci-heavy (which was why I got HEC instead of Atrox), but I am surprise it is that bad. If anyone that also have Atrox, can you please tell me if it's really that bad?
voquv get +5 weapon power, which means 10% dps.
atrox get +5 shield, which is 1.4% more resists on shield and a tiny bit more shield regen.
voquv has lt.com. tactical skill, wich means either torp spread 3, scatter volley 2 or fire at will 3.
atrox has a science one. how many skill on science lt.com. slot can do the same amount of damage? its like to compare weak grav well 1, which have long and shared cd to 56 torps fired by torp spread 3.
on voquv and karfi i do grav well 3 -> (on karfi beta 1) ->scatter 1->torp spread 3. usually after this most of the spawn is dead. frigates do the rest.
you can't do this on atrox, only something a like with a cluster tropedo.
and there are no frigate grade pets for atrox, those fighters are a lackluster.
where bops from voquv are the force on their own.
and there is still no fleet grade atrox.
Still fly her and I still love her. That being said the main fun is her being the biggest ship and the pets and so I would never recommnd anyone buy an atrox.
Guramba I have too and it is a dps monster. The transformation animation is what attracted me to it really. I really like that and the whole design of it.
I mainly used it for pve and in my experience she is sort of fragile for the attention she draws. With 2 x field emitter it's not so bad I guess playing her as a tac I brought it on myself.
Then of course there is the javelin, great fun too just note when in attack mode and charging it you can' turn at all - so you extra vulnerable.
The only reason I am not flying it at the moment is grinding eSTF in carriers is easier.
Recluse carrier I am not entirely sure.
At first the commander universal looked good. Then I got to thinking when she can load cannon, she HAS to, right? Well if you want the cutting beam on and maybe the romulan torpedo you quickly running out of slots. And, she seems too slow for cannons.
So at the moment, where I am still missing rep gear, I am actually making her into a controller using tactical stations. I am still having a lot of problems getting everything to fit.
But true enough you can get really creative with her. The pets themselves I don't like very much.
Vesta I only heard good things about but never played it myself