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eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
edited July 2013 in PvP Gameplay
Well, I was'n't playing pvp for several weeks... today I started again and what I see is only carrier/cruiser, cloacking/decloacking, pet spam and BFaW (with beam overpowered by new doffs)...

If this is the stop idea about pvp, I do not wonder if people do not play pvp.
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Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
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  • uhmariuhmari Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    PvP has lots of work to be done, to be well balanced.

    - Skills need controls, Nerfs and buffs
    - End game items are vastly to over powering for level 51 XI-XII standard items
    - Zen Bough ships are to powerful, and basically make the game Pay to win.

    Solutions

    - Stop skill spam
    - Balance skills
    - Balance all items down to equal level of output. only difference betwee set and non, should be the bonus's
    - Balance ships max tank, Dps outputs to similar levels (not 8000 dps in a zen store ship, and 3000 in another)
  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    You saw a cruiser!?
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  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    What new Doffs buff FaW?
  • devorasxdevorasx Member Posts: 693
    edited July 2013
    *Pets scimitar*

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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    You saw a cruiser!?

    I saw a Cruiser in Ker'rat yesterday. There was somebody complaining about being left alone so he could farm with the Borg. So I just had to go kill...er...find him. He was in a Cruiser.

    Lol, actually - there was another Cruiser in there. Vang was zipping around and experiencing the joy of EPtE...wheeeeeee!
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    You saw a cruiser!?

    I can't identify all ships, so I suppose some ships are cruiser... However, only "big size" ships...
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    Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I sometimes think the Vesta is a cruiser. I don't know why they made it look so much like one :/
  • livinrtblivinrtb Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Some of us Cruiser's fight back...I dare ya to decloak on me...8D
  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I was in a match last night, the other team had 4, yes you saw that right, 4 cruisers.
    Somegood tanking and all of them were using high specced feedback pulse. That was um, interesting lol.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    What new Doffs buff FaW?

    I think he is talking about the BO DOFF which can then allow all hits to do more bleedthrough.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I think he is talking about the BO DOFF which can then allow all hits to do more bleedthrough.

    Yeah, I thought the Refugee EWO DOFF was for BO...not FAW.
  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I think he is talking about the BO DOFF which can then allow all hits to do more bleedthrough.

    AKA the ultimate decloak alpha doff (double or triple BO with DEM1 followed by CRF). There was a thread in the general section of the forums where a dev posted that this doff was created to specifically help cruisers running beam arrays....here, I'll go dig it up...

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=11060271&postcount=22

    If devs are this out of touch with how their own game works is there really any hope of them fixing the OP items in the game to bring about a balanced PvP experience?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    AKA the ultimate decloak alpha doff (double or triple BO with DEM1 followed by CRF). There was a thread in the general section of the forums where a dev posted that this doff was created to specifically help cruisers running beam arrays....here, I'll go dig it up...

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=11060271&postcount=22

    If devs are this out of touch with how their own game works is there really any hope of them fixing the OP items in the game to bring about a balanced PvP experience?

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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skurf wrote: »
    AKA the ultimate decloak alpha doff (double or triple BO with DEM1 followed by CRF). There was a thread in the general section of the forums where a dev posted that this doff was created to specifically help cruisers running beam arrays....here, I'll go dig it up...

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=11060271&postcount=22

    If devs are this out of touch with how their own game works is there really any hope of them fixing the OP items in the game to bring about a balanced PvP experience?

    Pretty much. I mean, helping cruisers is all well and good, I'm all for it. And they release DOFFs that help cruisers...in theory.

    Marion helps reduce the power drain of all energy weapons when using DEM, but only for 8 seconds, and also basically makes a mockery of Nadeon from engies. This BO DOFF can allow more bleedthrough on weapons when you use BO.

    In theory, that is good for cruisers. In practice...not so much.

    Like if Marion was really meant to help out cruisers, they would instead have it so that the drain was lessened, but spread out across a longer amount of DEM. So that way you would gain a more longer term effect. While the BO DOFF, all they need to do on that is just change it so that you have to use FAW, and problem solved.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • skurfskurf Member Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    While the BO DOFF, all they need to do on that is just change it so that you have to use FAW, and problem solved.

    Exactly. It's not rocket science here.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    the BO DOFF, all they need to do on that is just change it so that you have to use FAW, and problem solved.
    skurf wrote: »
    Exactly. It's not rocket science here.

    That's too simple a fix/change. ;)

    Besides, as is the case with most things - c'mon, it's a crutch to expand the playerbase to more players.

    Outside of a physical disability...there are some folks that can't tie shoelaces, so they use velcro. Velcro is too much for some, so they wear slipons. That's too much for some, so they use flipflops. Even flipflops are too much for some. Eventually you reach the average intended player for STO. /cough
  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So, I bought a new Purple BO bleedthrough doff and the New Purple TT Doff that adds (acc). I equipped one of each and Marion and 2 Tech's. I run a beam boat Aux2Batt cruiser and run the Nukera Console that Buffs beam acc also. Wep power 125 (when attacking) plus Tychokentic converter and Zero point and Borg console and subspace jumper. When a pest BOP attempts a suprise decloak alpha on me I hit the jumper and then BO his face. Some pop (if I can gett all that acc to overflow to crit). Some dont. Is it an "i win" button? Not even close. Does it give cruisers some teeth to bite back with? Yes. Game breaking? Nope. To quote Spock "Just a little sauce for the goose" is all.

    Now in about 3 hours I will have tier 5 Nukera unlocked. I plan on using an Aux to Wep Overcharge warp core and with the passive will will be adding even more power to Wep from Aux. I already have the Web mines and the Nukera console I just need the Nukera Dual Beam Bank. I bought 6 ACC2/DMG2 Tetryon Fleet Beam arrays (I will miss sprial wave disruptors) for the 3 piece set bonus boost to Tetryon damage and it gives the ability for FAW and BO to hit multiple/additional targets. I cant wait to see how this set and new passive works out.
  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Think I saw a cruiser once. I think some escort on my team popped it merely by looking at it.
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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited July 2013
    Plenty of folks fly cruisers in Ker'rat. On the Federation side, most of the ships I tend to see are cruisers or carriers, either Fed-specific or lockbox. Escorts are present as well, and folks seem to like using Romulan BoPs to emulate KDF BoP tactics, despite probably whining and moaning about said tactics before LoR.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    Plenty of folks fly cruisers in Ker'rat. On the Federation side, most of the ships I tend to see are cruisers or carriers, either Fed-specific or lockbox. Escorts are present as well, and folks seem to like using Romulan BoPs to emulate KDF BoP tactics, despite probably whining and moaning about said tactics before LoR.

    I know right?

    And usually they haven't even been all that great. Most of the time, Romulan BoPs who are actually good are usually ones who were used to flying a Defiant or BoP anyways. I see lots of people running with low aux (because I can see them at a rather decent distance), and/or with no spec into stealth, along with sometimes having a high-level singularity charge, which makes them a more obvious target.

    There ARE good pilots in them, more that a lot are seeking to give a bit of 'revenge', but don't actually know how to fly them and use them effectively.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • eurialoeurialo Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I think he is talking about the BO DOFF which can then allow all hits to do more bleedthrough.

    yes... and do not forget you can stack a BO3 and a BO2, use DEM...

    the result is that beam weapons are now very powerfull: a lot of damage (even much more than DHCs) and a much more better firing arc.

    And using the nukara set if I am right, the nukara DBB can hit more more targets at one even using one BO.


    I have nothing against carriers, but actually my opinion is that ships that are supposed to be support ones (or at least not the best damage dealer) are also the best damage dealer and pvp is being a "carriers only" pvp.
    Moreover the new consoles will help a lot this ship (imagine a 4 fleet neutronium alloy with [turn]) much more than tha natively faster and agiler ships.
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    Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
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