Isnt it amazing that everytime u join a nukara mission, 1 forgets his ev suit?
Isnt it amazing that every elite infected stf,
1 can TRIBBLE with the whole team by prematurely destroying a generator?
A noob leaves the safety field and his body gets vaporated by 700 degrees temperature.
Would u think he stops running out of the field?
No he will try it one more time, just to be sure...:D
One would think that next time they bring an ev suit, no.
They will burn and die again...
How is that even possible?
There has to be something fundamentally wrong
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on the otherside of that, since they added the nukura hards to the queue, those missions are many players first introduction to Nukura
personally I dont think they should be available until you complete all of the easy and medium missions on Nukura
also elite stfs should not unlock until you get the optional for that mission in normal (at least)
I've been in Nukara missions where we explicitly told people "put on your space suit, switch it on and let's go"...most of the time they leave with some expletives and a complaint about how buggy the game is because they burn when they go out of the field.
I've also seen folks who blew up the generator in ISE who when told to please not do the same on the other side...ran over to the other side, ignore the cube and blow up another gen and then explain they're a "pro" gamer and everyone else was at fault because they didn't have enough DPS.
How can you let someone learn who even refuses to acknowledge he did something wrong and considers everyone else to be at fault?
A troll has gotta do what a troll has gotta do.
We help new players, work on there builds, explain how abilities work.
Everyone we work with normally doubles their DPS and they also stop get blown up in the STFs.
Just wanted to let you know there are fleets working with its members.
However one must help themselves by finding a good fleet with a voice chat server.
We have found it impossible to teach, go through builds via typing chat.
The reason for that is obvious: they don't get an electric shock every time they mess up...would be a brillaint idea actually. Kinda like a "force feedback mouse".
Newby:
A person who is new to something.
I dont mind Newbys, fresh blood keeps a community alive and we all have been there once. I dont mind explaining stuff to new players and giving my point of view.
Solution? Help them to learn the ropes, have some patience, and one day
you have another veteran.
Noob:
Some TRIBBLE who thinks he is entitled to everything and refuses to learn,
this kind of Person is destructive and a problem to every Group and/or community,
those people rather insult everybody else and blame problems on them, instead
of understanding, that they are, in fact, the problem.
Solution? /ignore and let them bash their head against the wall.
most other games require some sort of unlock to get into the elites.. why doesnt sto..
most of the time the team gives it to me, and most of the time we get the optional with a couple min to spare. - yesterday however, for some reason I had two runs where some TRIBBLE jumped to the room before we even started clearing out the nodes and they are dropping shields and making it twice as hard to clear.
I let them know "hey you can't do the room until we clear out the nodes first, why don't you come help us do that?", " every time you drop shields while we are clearing out the nodes you are doubling how many borg we have to fight here"," I'll teach you the room, if you come help clear this area out first." - once they start cussing us out for their mistakes, it's time to leave - some people are just a waste of carbon.
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how do u want to teach newbies, if they wouldnt even survive natural selection.
a child would burn his hand on a stove, understand the causality behind it and never touch that hot thing again.
but i swear some sto noobs, cont comprehend simple logical problems.
cant believe how often i've seen a character get vaporated leaving the safety field, not wearing an Environmental suit.
AND then respawning and run outside the safety zone again... (just to make sure)
one must ask themself.
how is that level of stupidity even possible?
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The reason you do what we vets call the 10% rule is to stop the nanite spheres from healing the gateway it is possible to do with just blowing the generators but is a lot harder and is the cause of many failed optionals.
i run ISE a lot and quite frankly the PUGS are the ones who just blow the generators straight away and I would say 70-75% of the time we fail the optional because of it.
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Im sure Ive seen that pattern elsewhere on the forum. It escapes me where though. :P:D;)
However, good description on what the terms mean.
/agree completely
As long as Elites can be clicked by anyone.. they will be. Not everyone will use proper discretion or even bother to ask themselves, "Am I properly equipped to do (this) STF?"
I have had this thought as well, and to perhaps expand/add to your comment, I'm reminded of the New Romulus missions that are unlocked at certain tiers. What a great idea! Once you hit, I dunno, say Tier3 or Tier4 -boom- you have now "unlocked" your ability to queue an Elite STF. Maybe not "problem solved" but perhaps at least it would improve this obvious, and significant problem. Of course, the "morons" will cry a river the size of the Nile, but they will have to do so on "normal" setting.
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Yeah right, because I want to farm Omega rep on normals to tier 4 on every character.
/sarcasm
Me too, the 10% rule is antiquated and outdated. It was from before a time when we didn't have ships with 5 fore weapons, and so much power creep one person could take out all the generators one at a time before the nanites arrive.
You need to run with better groups.
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The thread is about Newbies ruining missions. Run with better groups, great idea. That would solve it Captain Obvious.
because most other games also have elites that actually deserve the name "elite"/"hardcore"/"heroic".
Encounters in STO are absolutely trivial when compared to other games end-content. No boss mechanic you have to follow, no tank/heal/offtank/cc mechanics follow, no aggro management necessary, no gear check necessary (even the hardest encounter can easily be beaten in mkX rares).
You can sum up everything needed to beat an encounter ion a single sentence...
You're absolutely right, noone does. The second toon I worked to tier5 Omegas did a total of 2 "non" Elites, but ofc, that toon was set up properly and I already had the knowledge and experience to know what to do.
The "perfect" answer would be to instantly bless everyone with enough common sense to know if they are prepared or not, and respond accordingly.
My suggestion to make folks wait til any certain tier, is simply that, a general suggestion. You can't just keep people out, wholesale, but we do need some way to help get people into the appropriate difficulty level for themselves, and their characters/ships/gear/build. Perhaps even a "tutorial" version of each that had prompted information and strategy tips. Then just have people complete each one once...But, then again, there is already plenty of info to be had during stf's that people dont read as it is so.... It's a really difficult problem to solve, as a matter of fact, there may not really be a solution. A little common sense would go a long way. For myself, I knew enough to use google, youtube, STOAcademy. I read a couple guides, watched a couple walkthroughs and was also fortunate enough to go into it with a team of fleetmates who ofc could answer any remaining questions I might have had.
At present, when you encounter someone in an stf who is "clueless".. You can either opt to try to help them, or just do your best to ignore them and compensate somehow. I dunno folks, those may be the only options... /shrug
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many times, i q up, i get inside, and someone runs in as fast as they can and start the mission.. leaving me and a few others outside.
as far as E STF, why should you join that one at all if you never done a stf before?
they need to add some unlock for elite content.. maybe x amount of reg ones?
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We failed the actual thing but thats cos the other team were running round do what not and didnt touch the consoles so we were buggered and had too many mobs running round
My problem is that theres no thing for signing up , nothing that would give a clue to a new player like any idea that they needed an ev suit.
So if any of you "vets" ask for anytjing ask for a box to come up with something saying you need an ev suit or this or that kinda thing.
The reason its not restrictive is because its part of the ftp model the game has which i wouldnt change as there are alot worse games out there
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