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Newbies on missions...please let them learn!

razhgalrazhgal Member Posts: 74 Arc User
Isnt it amazing that everytime u join a nukara mission, 1 forgets his ev suit?

Isnt it amazing that every elite infected stf,
1 can TRIBBLE with the whole team by prematurely destroying a generator?


A noob leaves the safety field and his body gets vaporated by 700 degrees temperature.
Would u think he stops running out of the field?

No he will try it one more time, just to be sure...:D


One would think that next time they bring an ev suit, no.
They will burn and die again...


How is that even possible?
There has to be something fundamentally wrong :confused:
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  • bootybootsbootyboots Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    personally I think the nukura missions should require you to be wearing an ev-suit to queue them like the shuttle restrictions

    on the otherside of that, since they added the nukura hards to the queue, those missions are many players first introduction to Nukura

    personally I dont think they should be available until you complete all of the easy and medium missions on Nukura

    also elite stfs should not unlock until you get the optional for that mission in normal (at least)
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Not sure what the point of this thread is really.
    I've been in Nukara missions where we explicitly told people "put on your space suit, switch it on and let's go"...most of the time they leave with some expletives and a complaint about how buggy the game is because they burn when they go out of the field.
    I've also seen folks who blew up the generator in ISE who when told to please not do the same on the other side...ran over to the other side, ignore the cube and blow up another gen and then explain they're a "pro" gamer and everyone else was at fault because they didn't have enough DPS.
    How can you let someone learn who even refuses to acknowledge he did something wrong and considers everyone else to be at fault?
  • havokreignhavokreign Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I've also seen folks who blew up the generator in ISE who when told to please not do the same on the other side...ran over to the other side, ignore the cube and blow up another gen and then explain they're a "pro" gamer and everyone else was at fault because they didn't have enough DPS.
    How can you let someone learn who even refuses to acknowledge he did something wrong and considers everyone else to be at fault?

    A troll has gotta do what a troll has gotta do.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The stupidity of Humankind will never cease to amazed me. Experiment prove that usually a rat or a mouse will understand they take electric discharge if they use the red button after the 2nd or 3rd try. Some player I've played with will do it over and over and over, and never understand, never ask why. Some will even complain about it, saying it's bugged, too hard...
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  • blakes7tvseriesblakes7tvseries Member Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Our Fleet has a TeamSpeak server with a Fleet Help Desk.
    We help new players, work on there builds, explain how abilities work.
    Everyone we work with normally doubles their DPS and they also stop get blown up in the STFs.

    Just wanted to let you know there are fleets working with its members.

    However one must help themselves by finding a good fleet with a voice chat server.
    We have found it impossible to teach, go through builds via typing chat.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    The stupidity of Humankind will never cease to amazed me. Experiment prove that usually a rat or a mouse will understand they take electric discharge if they use the red button after the 2nd or 3rd try. Some player I've played with will do it over and over and over, and never understand, never ask why. Some will even complain about it, saying it's bugged, too hard...

    The reason for that is obvious: they don't get an electric shock every time they mess up...would be a brillaint idea actually. Kinda like a "force feedback mouse".
  • oschwoschw Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Hmm i beg to differ....


    Newby:

    A person who is new to something.

    I dont mind Newbys, fresh blood keeps a community alive and we all have been there once. I dont mind explaining stuff to new players and giving my point of view.

    Solution? Help them to learn the ropes, have some patience, and one day
    you have another veteran.

    Noob:

    Some TRIBBLE who thinks he is entitled to everything and refuses to learn,
    this kind of Person is destructive and a problem to every Group and/or community,
    those people rather insult everybody else and blame problems on them, instead
    of understanding, that they are, in fact, the problem.


    Solution? /ignore and let them bash their head against the wall.
  • azniadeetazniadeet Member Posts: 1,871 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I've run ISE dozens of times, but if I pugged it, I'm not sure I'd know how. When I play with my fleet, we demo one side, kill everything, then demo the other side, and kill everything. We always get the opt: it's just not that hard a mission. I just don't understand why you'd want to hesitate on blowing a generator.
  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    for a long time, i have wanted the devs to implement something that makes it so every joe blow cant get into say an elite stf.. that you would have to spend a certain amount of time, or have certain achievments to unlock it.. that way, people learn how to do it.. elites are there for people who get it.. not for somone who just notices it has more dilithium and marks..

    most other games require some sort of unlock to get into the elites.. why doesnt sto..
  • wildmousexwildmousex Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I basically do a loop with Khitomer stasis elite with 4 of my toons that are repping right now - I start each run with a team message "I am good at the room and can extend all sheilds if no one else really want's it - gl/hf"

    most of the time the team gives it to me, and most of the time we get the optional with a couple min to spare. - yesterday however, for some reason I had two runs where some TRIBBLE jumped to the room before we even started clearing out the nodes and they are dropping shields and making it twice as hard to clear.

    I let them know "hey you can't do the room until we clear out the nodes first, why don't you come help us do that?", " every time you drop shields while we are clearing out the nodes you are doubling how many borg we have to fight here"," I'll teach you the room, if you come help clear this area out first." - once they start cussing us out for their mistakes, it's time to leave - some people are just a waste of carbon.
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  • razhgalrazhgal Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    the question though is:

    how do u want to teach newbies, if they wouldnt even survive natural selection.

    a child would burn his hand on a stove, understand the causality behind it and never touch that hot thing again.

    but i swear some sto noobs, cont comprehend simple logical problems.

    cant believe how often i've seen a character get vaporated leaving the safety field, not wearing an Environmental suit.
    AND then respawning and run outside the safety zone again... (just to make sure)

    one must ask themself.
    how is that level of stupidity even possible? :D
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    azniadeet wrote: »
    I've run ISE dozens of times, but if I pugged it, I'm not sure I'd know how. When I play with my fleet, we demo one side, kill everything, then demo the other side, and kill everything. We always get the opt: it's just not that hard a mission. I just don't understand why you'd want to hesitate on blowing a generator.

    The reason you do what we vets call the 10% rule is to stop the nanite spheres from healing the gateway it is possible to do with just blowing the generators but is a lot harder and is the cause of many failed optionals.
    i run ISE a lot and quite frankly the PUGS are the ones who just blow the generators straight away and I would say 70-75% of the time we fail the optional because of it.
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  • seansamurai1seansamurai1 Member Posts: 634 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    oschw wrote: »
    Hmm i beg to differ....


    Newby:

    A person who is new to something.

    I dont mind Newbys, fresh blood keeps a community alive and we all have been there once. I dont mind explaining stuff to new players and giving my point of view.

    Solution? Help them to learn the ropes, have some patience, and one day
    you have another veteran.

    Noob:

    Some TRIBBLE who thinks he is entitled to everything and refuses to learn,
    this kind of Person is destructive and a problem to every Group and/or community,
    those people rather insult everybody else and blame problems on them, instead
    of understanding, that they are, in fact, the problem.



    Solution? /ignore and let them bash their head against the wall.


    Im sure Ive seen that pattern elsewhere on the forum. It escapes me where though. :P:D;)

    However, good description on what the terms mean.
  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    My personal solution would be that you have to earn the right to queue up. For example Nuraka, you have to actually go to the planet and run say Hard Ext 5 times before you can use the queue. Same goes for any STF like the good old days. You had to go to Gamma Orionis and find a group of 4 other guys to run Infected with you.
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  • jahkejahke Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    puttenham wrote: »
    for a long time, i have wanted the devs to implement something that makes it so every joe blow cant get into say an elite stf.. that you would have to spend a certain amount of time, or have certain achievments to unlock it.. that way, people learn how to do it.. elites are there for people who get it.. not for somone who just notices it has more dilithium and marks..

    most other games require some sort of unlock to get into the elites.. why doesnt sto..

    /agree completely

    As long as Elites can be clicked by anyone.. they will be. Not everyone will use proper discretion or even bother to ask themselves, "Am I properly equipped to do (this) STF?"
    I have had this thought as well, and to perhaps expand/add to your comment, I'm reminded of the New Romulus missions that are unlocked at certain tiers. What a great idea! Once you hit, I dunno, say Tier3 or Tier4 -boom- you have now "unlocked" your ability to queue an Elite STF. Maybe not "problem solved" but perhaps at least it would improve this obvious, and significant problem. Of course, the "morons" will cry a river the size of the Nile, but they will have to do so on "normal" setting. ;)
  • dm19deltadm19delta Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ISE is always my go to to get a few marks and some dilithium. Unknowingly, I seem to have built my ships as a counter to the asshats that like to blow the generators early. I'm extremely fond of vent warp plasma. It causes damage, and it slows down those pesky nanite spheres. I have two of them slotted, so by the time the first one is disappating, I'm already popping the second one. That usually slows them down enough that the rest of the team can make up for that guy's stupidity, and I may be able to take down a sphere or two before the fun starts.
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    jahke wrote: »
    /agree completely

    As long as Elites can be clicked by anyone.. they will be. Not everyone will use proper discretion or even bother to ask themselves, "Am I properly equipped to do (this) STF?"
    I have had this thought as well, and to perhaps expand/add to your comment, I'm reminded of the New Romulus missions that are unlocked at certain tiers. What a great idea! Once you hit, I dunno, say Tier3 or Tier4 -boom- you have now "unlocked" your ability to queue an Elite STF. Maybe not "problem solved" but perhaps at least it would improve this obvious, and significant problem. Of course, the "morons" will cry a river the size of the Nile, but they will have to do so on "normal" setting. ;)

    Yeah right, because I want to farm Omega rep on normals to tier 4 on every character.

    /sarcasm
  • topsettopset Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    azniadeet wrote: »
    I've run ISE dozens of times, but if I pugged it, I'm not sure I'd know how. When I play with my fleet, we demo one side, kill everything, then demo the other side, and kill everything. We always get the opt: it's just not that hard a mission. I just don't understand why you'd want to hesitate on blowing a generator.

    Me too, the 10% rule is antiquated and outdated. It was from before a time when we didn't have ships with 5 fore weapons, and so much power creep one person could take out all the generators one at a time before the nanites arrive.
    robeasom wrote: »
    The reason you do what we vets call the 10% rule is to stop the nanite spheres from healing the gateway it is possible to do with just blowing the generators but is a lot harder and is the cause of many failed optionals.

    You need to run with better groups.
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  • metaphorgrandemetaphorgrande Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    topset wrote: »
    Me too, the 10% rule is antiquated and outdated. It was from before a time when we didn't have ships with 5 fore weapons, and so much power creep one person could take out all the generators one at a time before the nanites arrive.



    You need to run with better groups.

    The thread is about Newbies ruining missions. Run with better groups, great idea. That would solve it Captain Obvious.
  • hank900hank900 Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    For me I have put my suit on, turned it on and beam to Nukara, and the game unactivated my suit, go figure.
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  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    most other games require some sort of unlock to get into the elites.. why doesnt sto..

    because most other games also have elites that actually deserve the name "elite"/"hardcore"/"heroic".

    Encounters in STO are absolutely trivial when compared to other games end-content. No boss mechanic you have to follow, no tank/heal/offtank/cc mechanics follow, no aggro management necessary, no gear check necessary (even the hardest encounter can easily be beaten in mkX rares).

    You can sum up everything needed to beat an encounter ion a single sentence...
  • jahkejahke Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yeah right, because I want to farm Omega rep on normals to tier 4 on every character.

    /sarcasm

    You're absolutely right, noone does. The second toon I worked to tier5 Omegas did a total of 2 "non" Elites, but ofc, that toon was set up properly and I already had the knowledge and experience to know what to do.
    The "perfect" answer would be to instantly bless everyone with enough common sense to know if they are prepared or not, and respond accordingly.
    My suggestion to make folks wait til any certain tier, is simply that, a general suggestion. You can't just keep people out, wholesale, but we do need some way to help get people into the appropriate difficulty level for themselves, and their characters/ships/gear/build. Perhaps even a "tutorial" version of each that had prompted information and strategy tips. Then just have people complete each one once...But, then again, there is already plenty of info to be had during stf's that people dont read as it is so.... It's a really difficult problem to solve, as a matter of fact, there may not really be a solution. A little common sense would go a long way. For myself, I knew enough to use google, youtube, STOAcademy. I read a couple guides, watched a couple walkthroughs and was also fortunate enough to go into it with a team of fleetmates who ofc could answer any remaining questions I might have had.
    At present, when you encounter someone in an stf who is "clueless".. You can either opt to try to help them, or just do your best to ignore them and compensate somehow. I dunno folks, those may be the only options... /shrug
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  • wildmousexwildmousex Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    If they would require people to go to a certain area to que for the STF's, then it would be easy for players that know what they're doing to offer a training walk through to the noobies for a small fee.
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  • jetwtfjetwtf Member Posts: 1,207
    edited July 2013
    They could open the STF's at a much earlier level. Say level 25 and you get access to normal STF content but different rewards like fleet marks and gear. When you hit lvl 50 ESTF's open and normal STF rewards switch to rep. This allows new player 25 levels to learn how to do the STF's and can mess them up without an important reward loss. As it is now you ding lvl 50 and have absolutely no experiance in doing an STF.
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  • aarons9aarons9 Member Posts: 961
    edited July 2013
    the nukara missions they need to remove the force field since it is on the pve q now..

    many times, i q up, i get inside, and someone runs in as fast as they can and start the mission.. leaving me and a few others outside.



    as far as E STF, why should you join that one at all if you never done a stf before?


    they need to add some unlock for elite content.. maybe x amount of reg ones?
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  • millacanomillacano Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I am a new player myself and did my first nakura group thing last night , my friend signed us up told me to bring a ev suit of which i did .

    We failed the actual thing but thats cos the other team were running round do what not and didnt touch the consoles so we were buggered and had too many mobs running round

    My problem is that theres no thing for signing up , nothing that would give a clue to a new player like any idea that they needed an ev suit.

    So if any of you "vets" ask for anytjing ask for a box to come up with something saying you need an ev suit or this or that kinda thing.

    The reason its not restrictive is because its part of the ftp model the game has which i wouldnt change as there are alot worse games out there
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  • blakes7tvseriesblakes7tvseries Member Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    A noobs job is to find a strong fleet with TeamSpeak that have good instructors.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yes there are some real geniuses out there let me tell you.
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