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So what do the others get to equal the Scimitar?

ruinsfateruinsfate Member Posts: 58 Arc User
Seriously.

What do the other factions get that come even close to the Scimitar's OP-ness?

Nothing.

The Oddyssey, Bortas'qu and Vesta should be buffed up to the Scimitar's level.
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  • amalefactoramalefactor Member Posts: 511 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The Bortasqu is actually pound for pound very similar.

    This sounds like a knee-jerk thread.
  • jestersagejestersage Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Vesta is very agile and if one bought the 3 pack have the perfect shield.

    The real question is more like what's gonna happen if a scimatar shoot its thalaton pulse at a perfect-shielded vesta.
  • ruinsfateruinsfate Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The Bortasqu is actually pound for pound very similar.

    This sounds like a knee-jerk thread.

    You're kidding, right?
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ruinsfate wrote: »
    Seriously.

    What do the other factions get that come even close to the Scimitar's OP-ness?

    Nothing.

    The Oddyssey, Bortas'qu and Vesta should be buffed up to the Scimitar's level.

    What do you mean what are others going to get?

    Romulans got the Scimitar to have a big bad ship capable of running a hangar just like the Vesta that you already have. Now, the KDF does deserve a 3-pack like the Vesta and Scimitar.

    Romulans still need a 3-pack flagship like the Oddy and Bort. :)

    So no, Feds are NOT getting anything because of the Scimi. :P
  • yomatofanyomatofan Member Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    What do you mean what are others going to get?

    Romulans got the Scimitar to have a big bad ship capable of running a hangar just like the Vesta that you already have. Now, the KDF does deserve a 3-pack like the Vesta and Scimitar.

    Romulans still need a 3-pack flagship like the Oddy and Bort. :)

    So no, Feds are NOT getting anything because of the Scimi. :P

    Are you deluded, the Vesta is a Science Vessel, nothing more then that. Its effectively gimped by having 3 weapons slots. What we need in the Federation is a Galaxy-X Three pack that allow the Federation to have a dreadnought which can stand toe-to-toe with this new monstrosity.

    I knew this would happen when the Romulans came out that they would get all of Cryptic's effort while the KDF and Federation are left picking up the pieces. I mean, where is the Constellation, or the Fleet Miranda or more competitive cruisers?
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Quite frankly I don't think this ship is OP at all. I think its turn is a little high, as in it should be 5.5 or 6, but apart from that it looks pretty balanced as is. Remember, it has less power than a Fed or Klink ship and that makes a BIG difference.
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    yomatofan wrote: »
    Are you deluded, the Vesta is a Science Vessel, nothing more then that. Its effectively gimped by having 3 weapons slots. What we need in the Federation is a Galaxy-X Three pack that allow the Federation to have a dreadnought which can stand toe-to-toe with this new monstrosity.

    An Oddy would handle this ship.
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I think the Odyssey and Bortasqu' do deserve a minor update, to give their consoles a 2-piece bonus and perhaps a better 3-piece bonus. That'd be enough to bring them in-line with the newer pack ships.
  • rrincyrrincy Member Posts: 1,023
    edited July 2013
    it all comes down to individual build and the skill of the player , a guy who hasnt a clue , even in the scimitar is gonna get his behind handed to him by a KDF pvper who knows his game
    as for the feds , there are plenty of ships that can take this on toe to toe , again , its dependent on player skill more than fancy gimmicks
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  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Didn't the Oddy Chevron section get a grav well? Maybe I've been listening to the wrong chat channels but I thought it was given that not too long ago. I could be wrong!!
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited July 2013
    Quite frankly I don't think this ship is OP at all. I think its turn is a little high, as in it should be 5.5 or 6, but apart from that it looks pretty balanced as is. Remember, it has less power than a Fed or Klink ship and that makes a BIG difference.

    Same here, my biggest issue with this thing is the turnrate. The Bortas'qu has 5.5 turnrate with 18 inertia, it's worse than a Vo'quv. Odyssey isn't much better, with 6 turnrate and 20 inertia.

    If this Scimitar has 20-25 inertia, I suppose it wouldn't be TOO bad. . .but I've got a bad feeling about this.

    Other than the turnate, I feel it's a reasonably good top-tier ship. Universal boffslots add flexibility, 3 variants for markedly different roles, etc.

    What really needs to happen is Cryptic needs to revisit older C-store ships and buff those so that they're keeping up with the power creep. Ships like the Guramba and the Kar'fi, for example. Or create Fleet versions.
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  • ztempestztempest Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Okay, I am going to stir the pot a bit....

    The FEDS DO get something to counter the Scimitar...they get....the Scimitar!

    You forget that there are Rom Feds also...the same is true for the KDF....

    So...if you are FED and want to pilot a Scimitar, then by all means, level up a Rom and go Fed.

    End of discussion...nothing to see here...move along, folks.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    yomatofan wrote: »
    Are you deluded, the Vesta is a Science Vessel, nothing more then that. Its effectively gimped by having 3 weapons slots. What we need in the Federation is a Galaxy-X Three pack that allow the Federation to have a dreadnought which can stand toe-to-toe with this new monstrosity.

    I knew this would happen when the Romulans came out that they would get all of Cryptic's effort while the KDF and Federation are left picking up the pieces. I mean, where is the Constellation, or the Fleet Miranda or more competitive cruisers?

    What I think is deluded is in those posters filling these forums demanding an answer or reply to a ship that is already an answer or reply to what is already in game.

    The devs are trying to catch the Romulan fRaction up in ships compared to what the Feds and KDF already have. They still owe the Romulans a dedicated science ship, a dedicated carrier, 3-pack flagship, 1000 day vet ship and a Captain's yacht.

    And you want new Fed ships to match all of those? Are you really that deluded?
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    To preface my post, I fly Fed exclusively. I have 10 true Fed toons and three Romulan Fed toons. It's just what I like to fly.

    That being said, I think that Cryptic has done well with this ship. Pyryck is right in saying that the Romulans need to catch up to the other two factions. The Scimitar is a step in the right direction. (The turn rate, though, needs to de dropped, Cryptic. It's too high.)

    The next ship made should be another Romulan, preferably the 1000 day vet ship. After that a Romulan carrier. After that I think the Klinks need a ship or two. I'll never fly them as I'm a Fed man but fair is fair. The Klinks need a little love to make up for their low ship count and those ugly heads of theirs. ;)

    (If you didn't get the hint, please drop the turn rate on this beast, Cryptic!! A drop of 0.5 or 1 in turn rate won't stop me from buying it!!!)
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Time to give the Fed cruisers 5 on the saucer
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Quite frankly I don't think this ship is OP at all. I think its turn is a little high, as in it should be 5.5 or 6, but apart from that it looks pretty balanced as is.
    (The turn rate, though, needs to de dropped, Cryptic. It's too high.)

    (If you didn't get the hint, please drop the turn rate on this beast, Cryptic!! A drop of 0.5 or 1 in turn rate won't stop me from buying it!!!)


    Did you not watch Nemesis? The Scimitar was far more manuverable than the Enterprise-E. Cryptic giving her a 7 in manuverability is very modest, when she should be 10 or 11.
  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ztempest wrote: »
    Okay, I am going to stir the pot a bit....

    The FEDS DO get something to counter the Scimitar...they get....the Scimitar!

    You forget that there are Rom Feds also...the same is true for the KDF....

    So...if you are FED and want to pilot a Scimitar, then by all means, level up a Rom and go Fed.

    End of discussion...nothing to see here...move along, folks.

    I'd offer you a cookie for that post... but that post is so good, you can have the cookie factory !!! :D
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ruinsfate wrote: »
    [...]Vesta should be buffed up to the Scimitar's level.
    I'm sorry, but is this a joke ? Because it's hilarious. The vesta is one of the best sci ship of the game.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Way I see it the Romulans are allied with the KDF or Feds. So in a way your getting that ship. As they are your allies. Another thing, some PVP some PVE. I PVE so I don't see a fuss about this ship. Since my only opponents is the NCPs. In PVP I do see some kind of unbalance if you don't have one in your group.

    Do all the ships needs to be reworked to match. I do agree in a way. Since the Galaxy, Negh'Var, and so on needs some help. Since these newer ships do offer better stuff.
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  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Did you not watch Nemesis? The Scimitar was far more manuverable than the Enterprise-E. Cryptic giving her a 7 in manuverability is very modest, when she should be 10 or 11.

    I agree that in the movie it turned extraordinarily well. It also had 52 pulse disruptor cannons and 27 photon torpedo launchers. I think rather than make it true to the movie they need to make it true to the game.
  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I agree that in the movie it turned extraordinarily well. It also had 52 pulse disruptor cannons and 27 photon torpedo launchers. I think rather than make it true to the movie they need to make it true to the game.

    Which they have already done.. Truth told, the scimitar historically is an amazingly advanced ship that can take anything on ( except a bald headed old captain with an attitude and a repentant romulan with a bird ). Theyve made it as game balanced as they could and if you dont like it thats too damned bad.
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  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    wufangchu wrote: »
    Which they have already done.. Truth told, the scimitar historically is an amazingly advanced ship that can take anything on ( except a bald headed old captain with an attitude and a repentant romulan with a bird ). Theyve made it as game balanced as they could and if you dont like it thats too damned bad.
    That being said, I think that Cryptic has done well with this ship.

    This is me saying that I like it. Offering a suggestion to tweak something is not an admission of dislike, be it in this game or in real life.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The Vesta does not need buffing. The Vesta does NOT need buffing. Of all the ships in this game outside the Bugship, the Vesta does *NOT* need buffing!
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  • corvallecorvalle Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    An Oddy would handle this ship.

    umm, no. I will have to disagree. Sorry
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I agree that in the movie it turned extraordinarily well. It also had 52 pulse disruptor cannons and 27 photon torpedo launchers. I think rather than make it true to the movie they need to make it true to the game.

    And the Enterprise-E had 16 Phaser Arrays and 12 Torpedo launchers and we don't see that in game as well.
  • zdfx19zdfx19 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    In light of the Scimitar release, I do feel both the FED and KDF factions should get a Battleship Carrier of some sort to compete with it and the Jem'Hadar Dread. The Romulans do have some holes in their ship line up, in lower tiers particularly, that will get attention over time. I am not sure why any of that would be a source of contention. If nothing else I bet Cryptic is happy to hear we are willing to spend for some new ships.

    There have been rumors that something is up with the Jupiter and Typhoon in game relating to a model update for potentially sell worthy ships. Once upon a time I remember hearing a lightly rumored possibility, long ago, of a broadside cruiser that mounted dual cannons and torpedoes capable of firing along the ships "broadsides" rather than forward or aft. Not sure what came of any of that.
  • rainmotorsportsrainmotorsports Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Fed's got the Andorian Ships. The console abilities altogether are not UBER on the Andorian ships but I hardly think of using them either.

    Over the Andorian ships the Scimitar's gain one weapons slot and trade a turn rate reduction of 9. Take the consoles out of the equation and its a fair trade.

    Question is who is going to run the full console set to have awesome abilities every 2 or 3 minutes and get what might be an underwhelming Thalaron pulse? Everyone thinks Donatara when they are anticipating this but the Regular scimitar pulse in the game with NPC's is what like a 20K hit plus a dead crew?
  • doomiciledoomicile Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    To preface my post, I fly Fed exclusively. I have 10 true Fed toons and three Romulan Fed toons. It's just what I like to fly.

    That being said, I think that Cryptic has done well with this ship. Pyryck is right in saying that the Romulans need to catch up to the other two factions. The Scimitar is a step in the right direction. (The turn rate, though, needs to de dropped, Cryptic. It's too high.)

    The next ship made should be another Romulan, preferably the 1000 day vet ship. After that a Romulan carrier. After that I think the Klinks need a ship or two. I'll never fly them as I'm a Fed man but fair is fair. The Klinks need a little love to make up for their low ship count and those ugly heads of theirs. ;)

    (If you didn't get the hint, please drop the turn rate on this beast, Cryptic!! A drop of 0.5 or 1 in turn rate won't stop me from buying it!!!)

    I think it's a little more complicated than that. If you drop the turnrate then having 5 forward weapon slots actually gimps the ship in both lack of a 4th Aft slot as well as any viability of loading cannons.

    Like most other Romulan ships, the Scimitar will most likely have considerably lower base power levels than Fed or KDF so a superior turn rate for its class seems to be the tradeoff.
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  • doomiciledoomicile Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Fed's got the Andorian Ships. The console abilities altogether are not UBER on the Andorian ships but I hardly think of using them either.

    Over the Andorian ships the Scimitar's gain one weapons slot and trade a turn rate reduction of 9. Take the consoles out of the equation and its a fair trade.

    Question is who is going to run the full console set to have awesome abilities every 2 or 3 minutes and get what might be an underwhelming Thalaron pulse? Everyone thinks Donatara when they are anticipating this but the Regular scimitar pulse in the game with NPC's is what like a 20K hit plus a dead crew?

    2-console bonus for PvP.

    Thalaron Pulse for STF's.
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    zdfx19 wrote: »
    In light of the Scimitar release, I do feel both the FED and KDF factions should get a Battleship Carrier of some sort to compete with it and the Jem'Hadar Dread..

    KDF has the Kar'fi.
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