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Scimitar builds

mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2013 in PvP Gameplay
Before anyone says anything, yes I know as of the time of this post, the blog isn't up.

I'm just covering my bases to be ready. :P
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pwlaughingtrendy wrote:
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Take a Jem Dread and a Kumari...turn out the lights, wait 2 minutes, light the cigars...it's a baby Scimitar!
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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Take a Jem Dread and a Kumari...turn out the lights, wait 2 minutes, light the cigars...it's a baby Scimitar!

    That's the most hilariously succinct, yet accurate, description I've heard for what the Scimitar is shaping up to be yet.
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    aetam1aetam1 Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Take a Jem Dread and a Kumari...turn out the lights, wait 2 minutes, light the cigars...it's a baby Scimitar!

    Considering the difference in size that could be a rather bloody mating. Ok depends who the female is I guess.
    My stomach is clear and my mind is full of bacon!
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    ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    aetam1 wrote: »
    Considering the difference in size that could be a rather bloody mating. Ok depends who the female is I guess.

    True love knows no bounds.


    I was hoping that the Scimitar would actually give us more Sci/Eng options for Rommies, but it sounds like it's just another gigantor tac ship.
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    redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I will run mine with a full Anti-Proton build. We know the turn rate is garbage, unless they make it wildly different from the NPC. And I'm for sure using the Recrystallization console, people will have to start gimping their builds with Tacyon Beam unless they want me to... oh wait, I'm talking about my S9 C-Store build. We're talking Scimitar?
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    mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Take a Jem Dread and a Kumari...turn out the lights, wait 2 minutes, light the cigars...it's a baby Scimitar!

    So soon we'll hear the pitter-patter of little Thalaron feet?

    Can I talk to someone on New Romulus and send two Sci DOFFs off for a day to raise it?

    If I crit the mission, will I get a fancier/different colored Scimitar?
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    pwlaughingtrendy wrote:
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    its after noon and still no blog yet :confused:
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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    its after noon and still no blog yet :confused:

    Per Bran's twitter it's going to take a few more hours.
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    naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    Per Bran's twitter it's going to take a few more hours.

    Because they can't stop laughing?
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    Per Bran's twitter it's going to take a few more hours.

    One of the devs is having fun with him and keeps cloaking the ship as he tries to take the screenshots is what I heard... /cough
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    mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    virusdancer wrote: »
    One of the devs is having fun with him and keeps cloaking the ship as he tries to take the screenshots is what I heard... /cough

    Nah, they know that I made this post, so clearly they are gonna wait, because they know I am waiting.
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    pwlaughingtrendy wrote:
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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    voxlagindvoxlagind Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Premature.
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    vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Scimitar will only have 1 hanger :(. But atleast we can spam some elite pets I suppose. And pets like Shield Drones with heavy Pew Pew can make for some angry players if she is as nimble as I read. (Read a blog on it)
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    New Tactic!

    Thalaron Suicide Ram!

    Ahem. :)
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    praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'm disappointed.

    I was hoping for a decent option for my FedRom Sci to fly, instead of a ghetto RSV clone. Instead, it looks like Tacs rule the day. Again.
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    mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well, it has the same BOFF layout as the Vet-ships, which means that you can A2B the hell outta it like you can those, and most other Romulan ships. Or science it up more, or treat it more like a 'standard' BOFF layout by having a Lt. cmdr tac.

    Choices, choices. Gotta find the money to buy it, but that just gives me time to think.
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    pwlaughingtrendy wrote:
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    praxi5 wrote: »
    I'm disappointed.

    I was hoping for a decent option for my FedRom Sci to fly, instead of a ghetto RSV clone. Instead, it looks like Tacs rule the day. Again.

    12 Tac Cmdr ships (counting MU & Fleet)
    6 Eng Cmdr ships (counting MU & Fleet)
    3 Sci Cmdr ships (counting MU & Fleet)
    No VA Sci Cmdr ship...hrmmm.

    Still, I have hope that they drop out the Romulan Science Vessel from TNG that was mentioned in one of the podcasts somewhere down the road as a VA ship (as well as having a Fleet version)...
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Well, it has the same BOFF layout as the Vet-ships, which means that you can A2B the hell outta it like you can those, and most other Romulan ships. Or science it up more, or treat it more like a 'standard' BOFF layout by having a Lt. cmdr tac.

    Choices, choices. Gotta find the money to buy it, but that just gives me time to think.

    Well, you've got...

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X
    X, X
    X, X

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X
    X, X

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X
    X

    X, X, X, X
    X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X

    X, X, X, X
    X
    X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X
    X, X

    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X
    X

    X, X, X, X
    X, X
    X
    X, X, X
    X, X

    X, X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X
    X
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    interesting, its not so OP or UP. 40k hull is totally reasonable, it had strong shields not necessarily strong hull. vet ship station setup with 7 turn and a hanger, hmm its still gonna be sorta a hassle to get it to perform with escort weapons super well, with only room for 2 turn consoles on the 5 tac console ship. the 2 console bonus will only buff turn a flat amount, not increase the base. i might just have enough zen and dil to afford this actually, im quite tempted. id be less tempted if it was more powerful actually.

    is that -50 wile firing wile cloaked gone? didn't see that downside listed. just that afterward your power would be drained. but that wouldn't mater much, your still cloaked.

    maybe the sci version should have had 4/3 weapons, and a second hanger. im not one of them, but i think a lot of people want a 2 hanger romulan ship, and the other 2 versions give a good selection of consoles and have 5 weapons as it is. a bit more diversity there would not be a bad thing.
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Well, you've got...

    yep. vet ship layout is the best layout
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    afree100afree100 Member Posts: 332 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Indeed, looks well balanced to me, looks like it can give a huge alpha strike with quite a bit of defence (not literally) but not as much sustained combat, sciences for sensor scan are more needed then ever (although that is in general with all Romulan ships).
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    newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited July 2013
    Well you guys won - you got you avg ship - not OP


    congrats bug ship still rules.

    DDS - can you give me a good boff layout(for my sci toon) for this lame - no Cmdr Sci ship - in 3 ships?? WTF is that??

    Thx
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    virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    yep. vet ship layout is the best layout

    I was actually expecting something more along the lines of:

    X, X, X
    X, X
    X, X
    X, X, X, X
    X

    So there could have been the Tac Cmdr, Eng Cmdr, Sci Cmdr to match the 5 relative consoles...with the En Uni used for Tac/Eng/Sci as one saw fit.

    12 of the 21 Rom boats are now Tac Cmdr (6 Eng and 3 Sci)...~57%.

    Feds are what? 21 Tac, 20 Eng, 20 Sci...~34%.

    And KDF are...? 10 Tac, 6 Uni, 16 Eng, 7 Sci...~26 to 41% depending on how the Uni Cmdr are used.

    Heck, lockboxesque ships...? 6 Tac, 2 Uni, 2 Eng, 1 Sci...~55 to 73%, again depending on how the Uni Cmdr are used.

    It's just funny, when folks were expecting them to be the Sci guys to the balanced Feds and Tac KDF...who'd have thought they'd be more Tac than the KDF, eh?

    As for the Sci Cmdr?

    Rom - 14%
    Fed - 33%
    KDF - 18 to 33%
    Box - 9 to 27%

    The Rom Vet ship is still to come, so that will be another Tac.

    Taculans...that's what they are...
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    iskandusiskandus Member Posts: 1,062 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Disclosure : My Rom is a Sci and across all my toons (well, there are only 2 of them, 1 Fed and 1 Rom), I have a strong Sci bias.

    That said, I think the boff seating of this ship is satisfactory for Rom Sci. One can have up to 6 Sci boff slots, more than either Tact or Eng slots. Plus, Rom ships are the masters of alpha strikes, one way or the other. If you fly a Rom ship but don't alpha strike, it doesn't matter whether you are tact, sci or eng, you are doing it wrong. The lack of Commander Sci slot really is not problematic in this case due to the inherent alpha attack nature of all Romulan ships. Note: Roms do not have real carriers and all end game Rom ship have battlecloaks.

    Some of the more interesting Sci builds that work with Federation vessels like the Wells simply cannot be transplanted or copied to a Rom vessel due to the vast difference in their ship design such as warp core type, shield strength and etc. The few vessels that Romulans have that can be classified as Sci are really Sci at demi by Starfleet standards, which is why I don't bother.

    Most people so far are sharply focused on the 5 tact console Scimitar. I am not sure that's the best overall design for this class of ship. On a fast moving Escort, the 5 tact console makes a lot of sense. This ship will need help with its maneuverability and shield/damage resistance because it's a slow moving whale-like target. The 3 unique consoles will further exasperate the available console space if 5 tact consoles are used. This is as much as I will say, food for thoughts for anyone reading this thread.
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    cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The Falchion will end up being the best for pvp imo.

    APDX2
    TTX2
    RSPX1
    ATSIX2
    EPTSX2
    HEX2
    TSSX1

    And there you have the cruiser equivalent of the HEC. Slap two of the consoles on for a nice boost and it won't be terrible, but I don't think this will be a good PVP ship for anything other than full scimitar groups. It just doesn't have a great tanking or healing set up.
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    iskandusiskandus Member Posts: 1,062 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    cidstorm wrote: »
    The Falchion will end up being the best for pvp imo.

    APDX2
    TTX2
    RSPX1
    ATSIX2
    EPTSX2
    HEX2
    TSSX1

    And there you have the cruiser equivalent of the HEC. Slap two of the consoles on for a nice boost and it won't be terrible, but I don't think this will be a good PVP ship for anything other than full scimitar groups. It just doesn't have a great tanking or healing set up.

    In addition, all the powers you listed above are very vulnerable or close to useless against Torpedo boats, especially if they have shield-bypass abilities, DOT proc and have access to subnuke. Plus, duplicate powers tend to have very long CD. Unless absolutely necessary, it's generally a bad idea to do so.
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    webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Personally I wish they would have given the science version sensor analysis to give the romulans a second "Science" ship. But I guess then that might have been OP? Ah well, I still want them!! :D
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    newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited July 2013
    iskandus wrote: »
    Disclosure : My Rom is a Sci and across all my toons (well, there are only 2 of them, 1 Fed and 1 Rom), I have a strong Sci bias.

    That said, I think the boff seating of this ship is satisfactory for Rom Sci. One can have up to 6 Sci boff slots, more than either Tact or Eng slots. Plus, Rom ships are the masters of alpha strikes, one way or the other. If you fly a Rom ship but don't alpha strike, it doesn't matter whether you are tact, sci or eng, you are doing it wrong. The lack of Commander Sci slot really is not problematic in this case due to the inherent alpha attack nature of all Romulan ships. Note: Roms do not have real carriers and all end game Rom ship have battlecloaks.

    Some of the more interesting Sci builds that work with Federation vessels like the Wells simply cannot be transplanted or copied to a Rom vessel due to the vast difference in their ship design such as warp core type, shield strength and etc. The few vessels that Romulans have that can be classified as Sci are really Sci at demi by Starfleet standards, which is why I don't bother.

    Most people so far are sharply focused on the 5 tact console Scimitar. I am not sure that's the best overall design for this class of ship. On a fast moving Escort, the 5 tact console makes a lot of sense. This ship will need help with its maneuverability and shield/damage resistance because it's a slow moving whale-like target. The 3 unique consoles will further exasperate the available console space if 5 tact consoles are used. This is as much as I will say, food for thoughts for anyone reading this thread.

    Is Alpha strike availible to Sci captains? I was not aware of that.
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    captiandata1captiandata1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    the scemitar family looks like a fun ship family to fly. they have fighter wing the can equip fighters or drones.
    the tac scemitar is tacty heavey
    the science is science storng
    the engineering engineering strong.

    the lt and ens universal doff are cool and can be set up to be useful for more then one role.
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    scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    newromulan1 wrote: »
    Is Alpha strike availible to Sci captains? I was not aware of that.

    A number of us just use the term Alpha to mean stacking all your damage-dealing abilities and coming out of cloak guns blazing. It doesn't necessarily mean using APA.

    In fact, an Alpha using Tac boff abilities with a Subnuke+Sensor Scan can be pretty effective.
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    mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    scurry5 wrote: »
    A number of us just use the term Alpha to mean stacking all your damage-dealing abilities and coming out of cloak guns blazing. It doesn't necessarily mean using APA.

    In fact, an Alpha using Tac boff abilities with a Subnuke+Sensor Scan can be pretty effective.

    And that is why I LOVE playing my Orion sci in her BoP WAY more than my Klingon tac.
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    pwlaughingtrendy wrote:
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
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