I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I just converted 1000 zen towards a Scim, looks like I will need 4000 more. This is shaping up to be the first ship I have even considered spending 5000z on.
Of course, this makes me very fearful for what the rest of the stats will be like
I just converted 1000 zen towards a Scim, looks like I will need 4000 more. This is shaping up to be the first ship I have even considered spending 5000z on.
Of course, this makes me very fearful for what the rest of the stats will be like
Scimitar video being played by a dev?? I am not sure who is the flying her:
they are curious about the falchion? its been in azure rescue for days...
that looked about like a 20- 30 turn rate to me when it was moving. its certainly not starting with 5 turn rate, something more like 8-10, depending on that guys gear
the thaloron weapon looks more useless then the destabilizer torp, for pvp.
so 1 console just plan gives shields wile cloaked. k :rolleyes:
the next gives extra shields for 45 seconds. is that an entire huge 15k per faceing? maybe its a non faceing, as in just 1
and the next lets you fire wile cloaked for 15 seconds? give me a break. how visible is it wile its fireing or having shields on wile cloaked? is there a reason to ever decloak?
im sure my invite to test this got lost. its proboly being tested by the 101st carebear fleet that never used an i win button they didn't love.
Fires while cloaked? Shields while cloaked? Thalaron weapon? Hangar Bay?
Start adding in 3 kinds of rep passives, fleet warp cores, advanced consoles, Romulan Boffs...
hopefully it will have singularity cores, they are a bit weaker...
no on second thought, it would have an instaheal ability out of cloak ^^
now, those consoles. they are either OP as hell, or dissapointingly weak. I would go for the latter, seeing the thalaron weapon on the vid, and I hope for the game's sake I am right
you cant rly tell from pure stats, that are as non-descriptive as usual :S
they are curious about the falchion? its been in azure rescue for days...
that looked about like a 20- 30 turn rate to me when it was moving. its certainly not starting with 5 turn rate, something more like 8-10, depending on that guys gear
the thaloron weapon looks more useless then the destabilizer torp, for pvp.
so 1 console just plan gives shields wile cloaked. k :rolleyes:
the next gives extra shields for 45 seconds. is that an entire huge 15k per faceing? maybe its a non faceing, as in just 1
and the next lets you fire wile cloaked for 15 seconds? give me a break. how visible is it wile its fireing or having shields on wile cloaked? is there a reason to ever decloak?
im sure my invite to test this got lost. its proboly being tested by the 101st carebear fleet that never used an i win button they didn't love.
I admit, first off, the Thalaron weapon will be good for one thing:
REVENGE!!!
ALL these years of Donatra cloaking with her stupid, get-out-of-jail-free-card of a cloak, and now it will be OUR turn. Now WE can be the ones to be using the Thalaron weapon on HER! At long last, she shall suffer!
As for the turn-rate, I have a feeling it will probably have a lower base turn, but if you look at the two-piece bonus, those 'rapid thrusters' or whatever, that will probably add a considerable amount of turn, possibly while in combat, maybe all the time. That'd probably explain why it seems to be so nimble. (and possibly it was being run at high engine power, maybe some buffs too)
As for the extra shields, the Scimitar was said to have secondary shields, but it doesn't mean it was necessarily strong shields though. I have a feeling it is either 15k split between the four facings, or 15k per facing, but probably cannot be healed until the console finishes and has it's CD go through. Though that said, I'm pretty sure we'll get to deal with bugs.
Besides, you wouldn't wanna just pop this willy-nilly (it could probably be SNB'd off), it should be more treated like a super-steroided EPTS 3 + ST 3 heal (without the other buffs and bonuses from those). A BIG shield heal for a short amount of time once in awhile, that's all.
Though while the shields during cloak thing is nice, I don't see that as being useful in a fight, more as something to use if you are either going to alpha-strike someone, or try to move off. Aka: standard BoP tactics.
Think about this though: Sure, there's a console to let you fire while cloaked, but that's a massive target to say, 'HEY, I AM RIGHT HERE FIRING AT YOUR TEAMMATES, PLEASE SHOOT ME!'
Anybody remember the Battle of the Bassan Rift? Shinzon had all this stuff on the Scimitar, that is true. However, just remember that while he did, he didn't just waste all his advantages, he USED them to the best of his ability, knowing how to.
Best example: Firing while cloaked. Yes, he could fire all weapons without worry while he was under his cloak and still have shields. However, he didn't just say to his tactical officer, "Give me a constant rotation of CRF 2 every 15 seconds", no, what he did was he timed his attacks, didn't let the Enterprise (and eventually the two Romulan ships) keep too much of a lock on him. He kept moving, kept them off guard, attacking from different areas.
He probably knew that firing constantly would've given the three ships a direct line right back to his ship, which was a big weakness, but he understood it. The only times that anyone got a shot on him was...
A. When he allowed the Valdore to get an attack run on him to lure it in and disable it.
B. When Troy used her connection to the Reman Viceroy to locate them in a different way.
C. A few good lucky shots from the three ships, including triangulation from their tactical officers to try and fire to get further hits.
So yes, while this 'firing while cloaked' thing could be annoying, if someone doesn't know the actual ins and outs of a proper de-cloaking alpha (which this is, just without the de-cloaking part), and how to actually make it work properly, it'll just be 15 seconds of someone wasting their time trying to use it as an 'I-win' button, instead of using it as the truly Ambush tactic that it is. (Can anyone say: BO-stacking from cloak and killing someone who never saw you at all?)
Besides, I doubt they would give it a 'perfect cloak', they gave it a LOT of other things from the movie already, so that might just be rather overkill at this point. I bet it would still be de-cloaked by all the exact same things that de-cloak ships now: CPB, Tractor beams, Antiproton Sweep, etc.
Btw, I can't wait to TBR-troll people flying Scimitars. Anytime I see one firing it's Thalaron weapon, I will just TBR them away. Not even to really push them, mostly just to tick em off and push em REALLY far away and let them waste the attack while they sit there and can't do a damn thing about it.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
just was at point blank with one on tribble. great detail, and it had a tone of weapon hard point texture decal things. didn't complete my count before it warped unfortunately. and didnt see it turn. it did fire the thaloron, had a ring side seat. dude would not accept pms or pvp challenges. truly, the testing of this thing is diminished by me not fighting it.
It does seem rather too agile for a regular carrier. I was only able to skim the video, but i got the impression that it's going to have only one hangar bay. Not a full-fledged carrier, then?
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ALL these years of Donatra cloaking with her stupid, get-out-of-jail-free-card of a cloak, and now it will be OUR turn. Now WE can be the ones to be using the Thalaron weapon on HER! At long last, she shall suffer!
I expect this to be a watered down version of Donatra's weapon ... , and in no way to be the "I WIN" button the NPC has .
I also expect this ship will be nerfed hard one way or another ... -- keep that in mind with your planned $50 spending .
I'm also curious if the consoles are for this ship only ?
It'd be nice to have that "shielded while cloaked" console 4 my Bop ... . :P
(no more going 'poof' while desperately trying to cloak )
they are curious about the falchion? its been in azure rescue for days...
that looked about like a 20- 30 turn rate to me when it was moving. its certainly not starting with 5 turn rate, something more like 8-10, depending on that guys gear
the thaloron weapon looks more useless then the destabilizer torp, for pvp.
so 1 console just plan gives shields wile cloaked. k :rolleyes:
the next gives extra shields for 45 seconds. is that an entire huge 15k per faceing? maybe its a non faceing, as in just 1
and the next lets you fire wile cloaked for 15 seconds? give me a break. how visible is it wile its fireing or having shields on wile cloaked? is there a reason to ever decloak?
im sure my invite to test this got lost. its proboly being tested by the 101st carebear fleet that never used an i win button they didn't love.
...Heh...sad to say, but I called it on that thread asking for testers and lo and behold we get...this...
..yeah, with this and the web mines, I might as well give up on kerrating and just farm pve mindlessly - no need for balance there (unless its the stupid 'competetive teamwork missions)
The extra shields thing sounds to me like Quantum Absorption for shields. Anyways, I can see more and more need for Sci mayhem in the queues now, with this many cloakers around.
Did someone right-click 'info' on the consoles to see what Thalaron Pulse does? And the Thrusters?
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Meaning sure you can raise your shields when cloaked, except after 3 seconds you have no stealth rating.
Its like Mask Energy Signature except without a drain or duration but not having +4555 Stealth, at this point I would ask if you are even cloaked to anyone with some points in Sensors, Aux settings and Anti-Stealth Gear.
That really means nothing because 1. It's a Cryptic tooltip, 2. It's likely on the ground when the image was taken and 3. It's a Cryptic tooltip.
_______________ CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that? Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Meaning sure you can raise your shields when cloaked, except after 3 seconds you have no stealth rating.
Its like Mask Energy Signature except without a drain or duration but not having +4555 Stealth, at this point I would ask if you are even cloaked to anyone with some points in Sensors, Aux settings and Anti-Stealth Gear.
It says it absolves 15,750 points of shields damage meaning any damage to shields is absorbed until that is depleted or 45 seconds have passed, it doesnt say facing.
With -50 weapon power after 15 seconds? on a -40 power ship?
These are neat tricks but they are just that, tricks ... fire under cloak with shields up means you might as well fire without cloak since you are not really cloaked without any stealth rating and you get -50 weapon power after 15 seconds.
Good Alpha? Oh yes ... especially the placate but it ends 15 seconds after when you have to pay the price, sure there are ways to mitigate it but its still -50 weapon power after 15 seconds.
Shielded when cloaked? not really because cloaked means nobody sees you and they do because you have no stealth leaving only the Secondary Shields that are not much different that Quantum Absorption so you just gained about 15k hull for 45 seconds that do not stop weapons to hit the hull if they are capable of doing so.
The best tactic seems to be cloak, buff, engage fire when cloaked, open fire, engage shields, decloak after 10 seconds, EptW when debuff hits.
i have a hard time believing the +0 stealth on the tooltip means once you activate the console you lose all your stealth. it actually sounds like a passive that does not offline your shields when you cloak, and grants +0 additional stealth. likly that +0 was generated because anything having to do with a cloak has some stealth value added to the tool tip by default.
the secondary shield just sounds like a faceingless barrier of 15k points. i suppose thats not to bad, but it would certainly soak an alpha pretty well as you responded with other typical counters as well.
when the brel could fire wile cloaked with 0 visibility, the torps they fired were invisible to the person being hit too. hopefully thats not what happens with that fire wile cloaked console. -50 weapons power? weapons batt. with it moving around closer to an actual battle cruiser, being able to do a decloak alpha at all, and every once in a wile without decloaking seems pretty nice.
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the secondary shield just sounds like a faceingless barrier of 15k points.
It will probably be similar to the Quantum Absorbtion temporary hit point thing.
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That really means nothing because 1. It's a Cryptic tooltip, 2. It's likely on the ground when the image was taken and 3. It's a Cryptic tooltip.
Actually, I suspect that the mechanics of it are that in order to make it work without going back and changing the established interactions between cloak powers and shield powers, they made a new power that is a + stealth power that also gives some sort of shield functionality, and then just set the + stealth portion of the power to be 0.
era of cloaked alphas is coming... that ship turns a lot for its size, and the consoles seems a lot op... if they made the scimitar right it should have hangar, but i think itll dont have hangars because thatll be a cloaked machine, and you cant send hangar pets while cloaked....
we just have to wait until its released... only its appearence makes that ship op already
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I just converted 1000 zen towards a Scim, looks like I will need 4000 more. This is shaping up to be the first ship I have even considered spending 5000z on.
Of course, this makes me very fearful for what the rest of the stats will be like
Scimitar video being played by a dev?? I am not sure who is the flying her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Imy-s2l_M
after 5:20 seconds you will see her moving around - looks fairly nimble for the speed its going.
WOW...
....that is all
Hopefully it'll turn out to be less ridiculous than it seems at first.
they are curious about the falchion? its been in azure rescue for days...
that looked about like a 20- 30 turn rate to me when it was moving. its certainly not starting with 5 turn rate, something more like 8-10, depending on that guys gear
the thaloron weapon looks more useless then the destabilizer torp, for pvp.
so 1 console just plan gives shields wile cloaked. k :rolleyes:
the next gives extra shields for 45 seconds. is that an entire huge 15k per faceing? maybe its a non faceing, as in just 1
and the next lets you fire wile cloaked for 15 seconds? give me a break. how visible is it wile its fireing or having shields on wile cloaked? is there a reason to ever decloak?
im sure my invite to test this got lost. its proboly being tested by the 101st carebear fleet that never used an i win button they didn't love.
hopefully it will have singularity cores, they are a bit weaker...
no on second thought, it would have an instaheal ability out of cloak ^^
now, those consoles. they are either OP as hell, or dissapointingly weak. I would go for the latter, seeing the thalaron weapon on the vid, and I hope for the game's sake I am right
you cant rly tell from pure stats, that are as non-descriptive as usual :S
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
I admit, first off, the Thalaron weapon will be good for one thing:
REVENGE!!!
ALL these years of Donatra cloaking with her stupid, get-out-of-jail-free-card of a cloak, and now it will be OUR turn. Now WE can be the ones to be using the Thalaron weapon on HER! At long last, she shall suffer!
As for the turn-rate, I have a feeling it will probably have a lower base turn, but if you look at the two-piece bonus, those 'rapid thrusters' or whatever, that will probably add a considerable amount of turn, possibly while in combat, maybe all the time. That'd probably explain why it seems to be so nimble. (and possibly it was being run at high engine power, maybe some buffs too)
As for the extra shields, the Scimitar was said to have secondary shields, but it doesn't mean it was necessarily strong shields though. I have a feeling it is either 15k split between the four facings, or 15k per facing, but probably cannot be healed until the console finishes and has it's CD go through. Though that said, I'm pretty sure we'll get to deal with bugs.
Besides, you wouldn't wanna just pop this willy-nilly (it could probably be SNB'd off), it should be more treated like a super-steroided EPTS 3 + ST 3 heal (without the other buffs and bonuses from those). A BIG shield heal for a short amount of time once in awhile, that's all.
Though while the shields during cloak thing is nice, I don't see that as being useful in a fight, more as something to use if you are either going to alpha-strike someone, or try to move off. Aka: standard BoP tactics.
Think about this though: Sure, there's a console to let you fire while cloaked, but that's a massive target to say, 'HEY, I AM RIGHT HERE FIRING AT YOUR TEAMMATES, PLEASE SHOOT ME!'
Anybody remember the Battle of the Bassan Rift? Shinzon had all this stuff on the Scimitar, that is true. However, just remember that while he did, he didn't just waste all his advantages, he USED them to the best of his ability, knowing how to.
Best example: Firing while cloaked. Yes, he could fire all weapons without worry while he was under his cloak and still have shields. However, he didn't just say to his tactical officer, "Give me a constant rotation of CRF 2 every 15 seconds", no, what he did was he timed his attacks, didn't let the Enterprise (and eventually the two Romulan ships) keep too much of a lock on him. He kept moving, kept them off guard, attacking from different areas.
He probably knew that firing constantly would've given the three ships a direct line right back to his ship, which was a big weakness, but he understood it. The only times that anyone got a shot on him was...
A. When he allowed the Valdore to get an attack run on him to lure it in and disable it.
B. When Troy used her connection to the Reman Viceroy to locate them in a different way.
C. A few good lucky shots from the three ships, including triangulation from their tactical officers to try and fire to get further hits.
So yes, while this 'firing while cloaked' thing could be annoying, if someone doesn't know the actual ins and outs of a proper de-cloaking alpha (which this is, just without the de-cloaking part), and how to actually make it work properly, it'll just be 15 seconds of someone wasting their time trying to use it as an 'I-win' button, instead of using it as the truly Ambush tactic that it is. (Can anyone say: BO-stacking from cloak and killing someone who never saw you at all?)
Besides, I doubt they would give it a 'perfect cloak', they gave it a LOT of other things from the movie already, so that might just be rather overkill at this point. I bet it would still be de-cloaked by all the exact same things that de-cloak ships now: CPB, Tractor beams, Antiproton Sweep, etc.
Btw, I can't wait to TBR-troll people flying Scimitars. Anytime I see one firing it's Thalaron weapon, I will just TBR them away. Not even to really push them, mostly just to tick em off and push em REALLY far away and let them waste the attack while they sit there and can't do a damn thing about it.
I expect this to be a watered down version of Donatra's weapon ... , and in no way to be the "I WIN" button the NPC has .
I also expect this ship will be nerfed hard one way or another ... -- keep that in mind with your planned $50 spending .
I'm also curious if the consoles are for this ship only ?
It'd be nice to have that "shielded while cloaked" console 4 my Bop ... . :P
(no more going 'poof' while desperately trying to cloak
No .
...Heh...sad to say, but I called it on that thread asking for testers and lo and behold we get...this...
..yeah, with this and the web mines, I might as well give up on kerrating and just farm pve mindlessly - no need for balance there (unless its the stupid 'competetive teamwork missions)
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CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
i have a hard time believing the +0 stealth on the tooltip means once you activate the console you lose all your stealth. it actually sounds like a passive that does not offline your shields when you cloak, and grants +0 additional stealth. likly that +0 was generated because anything having to do with a cloak has some stealth value added to the tool tip by default.
the secondary shield just sounds like a faceingless barrier of 15k points. i suppose thats not to bad, but it would certainly soak an alpha pretty well as you responded with other typical counters as well.
when the brel could fire wile cloaked with 0 visibility, the torps they fired were invisible to the person being hit too. hopefully thats not what happens with that fire wile cloaked console. -50 weapons power? weapons batt. with it moving around closer to an actual battle cruiser, being able to do a decloak alpha at all, and every once in a wile without decloaking seems pretty nice.
It will probably be similar to the Quantum Absorbtion temporary hit point thing.
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Actually, I suspect that the mechanics of it are that in order to make it work without going back and changing the established interactions between cloak powers and shield powers, they made a new power that is a + stealth power that also gives some sort of shield functionality, and then just set the + stealth portion of the power to be 0.
Ahh, yes, but I bet it functions like a tactical buff, and those have always been triggerable while under cloak.
Actually, they do: Odyssey Cruiser Set, Bortasqu' Cruiser Set.
we just have to wait until its released... only its appearence makes that ship op already
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