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vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
edited June 2013 in PvP Gameplay
Lets be real, been on a bit of a vacation recently but came back to see stuff on the Scimitar spammed everywhere. Now also saw a thread on the tribble side of things about testing new ships, with the Vesta specifically mentioned. We tested it, and I would like to think that helped.

I tested me some Bortas'Qu and saw what it was capable of before she hit the market.

What is my point here? If you are here QQing over the Over Powered nature of one ship, or one class. Get over to tribble when the ships are released and test the new ones. D:

This is the only way to get the bugs out before we get to use them. Think about recently how the Andy ships had issues with being epic glass cannons. Or remember the once legendary MACO with 90% resists. These things are preventable, and even if I do not get to test these things, one of you might. So lets get some people who actually PvP to test the ships for balance before the QQ in chat begins.

Now.... while your here... speculate as to the toys a Scimi will come with D:? More importantly how to balance them.
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  • victorstellavictorstella Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    vegie0 wrote: »
    Now.... while your here... speculate as to the toys a Scimi will come with D:? More importantly how to balance them.

    Well, according to Star Trek:Nemesis, a Scimitar has 52 disruptor banks and 27 torpedo bays. I'd like to see Cryptic make it to those specs but make it worth 50,000 zen or something ridiculous. :D
  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If somebody pays 50k zen for a ship, they had better win. Although I must say, if she was that expensive... I would target anybody with one sooooooo hard. >:]
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    its another fricking 3 pack. they are all named after swords, according to pets on tribble. they have a frigate pet too, the drone from enterprise by the looks of it.

    its another dreadnought carrier. there was a few dev spoilers last night on opvp, such as its sooo awesome, watch out for the thaloraon weapon, and that would mostly be helpful against stf targets. i suppose it haveing the thaloron weapon is a spoiler, but its not like there was any doubt it would be part of the deal. 2 other consoles too of course, so they have an excuse to charge double/3 times as much for the complete package

    not sure how they are going to justify it having theloron though, in both the federation and kdf its a banned weapon, a crime to use it. yet the goodie goodie republic is going to field their own scimitars with them? sure cryptic. that whole nimbus arc was about how much of a big deal it was to keep them out of enemy hands.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well, according to Star Trek:Nemesis, a Scimitar has 52 disruptor banks and 27 torpedo bays. I'd like to see Cryptic make it to those specs but make it worth 50,000 zen or something ridiculous. :D

    52 single cannons covering 6 arcs. thats about 8 weapons in any direction, so about the same as a set of singles and turrets would act in game.

    why do i have the feeling they are going to do something insane like give it 5/5 weapons...
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well, according to Star Trek:Nemesis, a Scimitar has 52 disruptor banks and 27 torpedo bays. I'd like to see Cryptic make it to those specs but make it worth 50,000 zen or something ridiculous. :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTPdWYo9zhQ

    So Cryptic will give folks 50k Zen to fly it...sort of thing? :)
  • masterkeychnk5masterkeychnk5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    vegie0 wrote: »
    Lets be real, been on a bit of a vacation recently but came back to see stuff on the Scimitar spammed everywhere. Now also saw a thread on the tribble side of things about testing new ships, with the Vesta specifically mentioned. We tested it, and I would like to think that helped.

    I tested me some Bortas'Qu and saw what it was capable of before she hit the market.

    What is my point here? If you are here QQing over the Over Powered nature of one ship, or one class. Get over to tribble when the ships are released and test the new ones. D:

    This is the only way to get the bugs out before we get to use them. Think about recently how the Andy ships had issues with being epic glass cannons. Or remember the once legendary MACO with 90% resists. These things are preventable, and even if I do not get to test these things, one of you might. So lets get some people who actually PvP to test the ships for balance before the QQ in chat begins.

    Now.... while your here... speculate as to the toys a Scimi will come with D:? More importantly how to balance them.

    You do realise though right that 95% of the feedback on tribble is not being listened to?
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I was hoping it would be a Romulan version of the Bortasqu not a carrier. It at least better get 1 more sci or eng boff ability then the Jem Dread or it will be even easier to pop then the Jem Dread, my favorite target.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Cmdr Eng
    Lt. Cmdr tac
    5 base turn-rate.
    Worse base stealth rating than normal cloaks.

    (Aka basically making it into the Bortas)

    The moaning would be large and loud.



    Which means probably the exact opposite will happen in regards to this thing.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    the question is, will it have double enhanced battleclaok and be able to fire energy weapons wile cloaked? without droping shields? and without anyone being able to target lock them?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    the question is, will it have double enhanced battleclaok and be able to fire energy weapons wile cloaked? without droping shields? and without anyone being able to target lock them?

    In the clip from the movie, folks had no issue target locking even while they were cloaked...
  • erhardgrunderhardgrund Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I think it will be alot like that Tier 5 romulan reputation ability but youll have a button to toggle it on or off. Probably with a very limited duration and hopfully it disables all buffs for that duration.

    But most likely they say the original reman scimatar was a prototype and the ships well get have a regular romulan battlecloack.

    it will have a hangar bay and i think they base it on the Jem Hadar dread with a bit more science consoles.
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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I foresee premades hitting the queues with two scary scimitars and three thorian ships equipped with those web consoles.

    Catch a few of the opposing team in the webs, uncloak - thealaron the TRIBBLE out of them. Repeat :P
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    the question is, will it have double enhanced battleclaok and be able to fire energy weapons wile cloaked? without droping shields? and without anyone being able to target lock them?

    The clever marketing move would probably be to make the "perfect cloak" the 3 piece console set bonus power.
  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    In the clip from the movie, folks had no issue target locking even while they were cloaked...

    This is incorrect, all they could target were scimitar firing locations and shield hits the Enterprise got from firing randomly. When the Romulans come the three ships are able to guess locations accurately by using this information together. At one point Troi unleashes a good volley on the Scimitar by using her powers to locate her Reman mind rapist. She says "remember ME" that might be the scene you are recalling.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    In the clip from the movie, folks had no issue target locking even while they were cloaked...

    actually they did :confused:

    they only ever hit it after they had kept it illuminated by pinking it, after they fired randomly to find it.
    The clever marketing move would probably be to make the "perfect cloak" the 3 piece console set bonus power.

    lol proboly. 1 minute duration, 10 minute cooldown. cloaked god mode
  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    My own personal issue is that if the cloak is going to work like Donatra's Hax, it needs to take everything offline when it does, say even Engines to a point, if it is an unbreakable cloak. Since CPB, Gwell, Tachyon Grid, and other abilites are absolutely useless against that cloak.

    That way even if they can perfect cloak, they can not reposition or leave where your ships are getting ready to Pew. Except at a very very slow speed.
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  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You do realise though right that 95% of the feedback on tribble is not being listened to?

    Well, the purpose of this thread is to try to get our voice heard. Primarily due to the fact that the scimitar in perticular has the ability to make the pvp aspect of the game unplayable. Now I do realise that the voice of feedback is probly 95% ignored, that in my opinion is a concervative estimate. But of the 5% lets say gets heard, only 1 in 100 at best of those select few play PvP at all. It is a simple numbers game, the PvE people have more. We need to make our voice heard or they will get thier version of balance. Which as we know is the "Mash Space Bar, Wait, ???, Profit" approach. And oldie but a goodie...

    Our spaming on testing of new ships is the only hope for balance to appear to exist. Not much we can do about that which is already broken. Just keep the plague from spreading I guess.
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  • stevehalestevehale Member Posts: 437
    edited June 2013
    the question is, will it have double enhanced battleclaok and be able to fire energy weapons wile cloaked? without droping shields? and without anyone being able to target lock them?

    If it doesn't, they might as well just scrap the whole idea:mad:. "Realistic" specs or GTFO!
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    stevehale wrote: »
    If it doesn't, they might as well just scrap the whole idea:mad:. "Realistic" specs or GTFO!

    Y'know, no matter what stats the Scimitar has, it's gonna TRIBBLE off a lot of people. No matter what.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • captiandata1captiandata1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    i can see my reman wanting to command the reman scemitar but not for my romulan
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Y'know, no matter what stats the Scimitar has, it's gonna TRIBBLE off a lot of people. No matter what.

    100% correct!!!! mimey can see the future on this one!!!! The ship is too iconic.

    and really..its not going to have a 1 hit wonder weapon like Donatra.
  • knockyknocky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    the question is, will it have double enhanced battleclaok and be able to fire energy weapons wile cloaked? without droping shields? and without anyone being able to target lock them?

    For enough money....I can see that happening. :P
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    100% correct!!!! mimey can see the future on this one!!!! The ship is too iconic.

    and really..its not going to have a 1 hit wonder weapon like Donatra.

    I look forward to it. People are gonna hype themselves up over it, and then be sorely disappointed, because nobody will have it how 'they' were wanting it.

    Don't misunderstand, I am gonna buy the Scimitar no matter want, it IS iconic after all. Made a Tac Reman just for it.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • aetam1aetam1 Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    vegie0 wrote: »
    Lets be real, been on a bit of a vacation recently but came back to see stuff on the Scimitar spammed everywhere. Now also saw a thread on the tribble side of things about testing new ships, with the Vesta specifically mentioned. We tested it, and I would like to think that helped.

    I tested me some Bortas'Qu and saw what it was capable of before she hit the market.

    What is my point here? If you are here QQing over the Over Powered nature of one ship, or one class. Get over to tribble when the ships are released and test the new ones. D:

    This is the only way to get the bugs out before we get to use them. Think about recently how the Andy ships had issues with being epic glass cannons. Or remember the once legendary MACO with 90% resists. These things are preventable, and even if I do not get to test these things, one of you might. So lets get some people who actually PvP to test the ships for balance before the QQ in chat begins.

    Now.... while your here... speculate as to the toys a Scimi will come with D:? More importantly how to balance them.

    I suppose they will make a good pve ship that sucks in pvp. Something like the dreadnought carrier. The thalaron thing should be easy to avoid in pvp and probably makes you a sitting duck. Also I don't think they will give that ship something stupid like shields while cloaked or the chance to fire energy weapons.
    I would expect a dreadnought with probably a little less hull and shield, turn around 6 or 7 and cloak. Maybe a bit less tac focused with the boffs.

    On a side note concerning your signature: I highly doubt that halo has any influence on the risian ship. It is a simple catamaran which does make a lot of sense with the risian beach theme. Looking at that ship makes me want to go sailing again.

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  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    aetam1 wrote: »
    I suppose they will make a good pve ship that sucks in pvp. Something like the dreadnought carrier. The thalaron thing should be easy to avoid in pvp and probably makes you a sitting duck. Also I don't think they will give that ship something stupid like shields while cloaked or the chance to fire energy weapons.
    I would expect a dreadnought with probably a little less hull and shield, turn around 6 or 7 and cloak. Maybe a bit less tac focused with the boffs.

    On a side note concerning your signature: I highly doubt that halo has any influence on the risian ship. It is a simple catamaran which does make a lot of sense with the risian beach theme. Looking at that ship makes me want to go sailing again.

    Well my beef with the ship in my Signature is very complex. Let me explain, I hate that it is another ship that will bore me to tears doing the same repetative tast over and over. Nothing new can even be tried. It looks terrible in my opinion, and contains no identifiable engines used for Faster Then Light movement. I understand things like Ferengi ships do not either, but this is a ship mainly associated with the Federation. It needs Engines...

    If the Ship was influenced by the Halo ship... cool, I really do not care. I don't want one in any way shape of form. If anything it is another ship that I will not use, that takes up space. Now I know a lot of others agree, it is not something pleasing in Star Trek terms.

    So you win some, you loose some. In my opinion, the Risan Corvette is a Swing and a Miss.
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  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Reasons the Scimitar will not be OP:

    1: It's a carrier. (Seen the Pics of the Pets for the trio)
    2: It'll be a C-store Ship
    3: Because of 2, I doubt it'll have the Thaloron Shotgun. (from a Movie/show story purposes, KDF, and Starfleet wouldn't use it anyway) So it won't be doing any one shotting. They might give it a Disruptor or Plasma Shotgun, but it won't be anything as silly as the Movie.
    4: It more then likely won't have battle cloak. Most likely normal Cloak at the most.
    5: If they give it a Shotgun, it'll probably be a three piece set bonus from consoles.

    That's my 2 EC on the Scimitar.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    its being tested on tribble already? what have they been saying?
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    its being tested on tribble already? what have they been saying?

    It's being tested, but I think the people actually testing it are part of a small group of testers and they are probably not at liberty to discuss the ship or its stats yet.

    Post by branflakes: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=754141
  • aetam1aetam1 Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    What I would like to see would be something like that:

    Weapons: 4/2
    Can equip dual cannons
    Hangar Bays: 2
    Hull: 40,000
    Shield Mod: 1.1
    Turn: 7
    Battle Cloak

    Boffs:
    Cmdr. Tac
    LtC Sci
    LtC Eng
    Ens Uni
    Ens Uni

    Consoles:

    3/3/3 base
    +1 tac for tac variant, +1 sci for sci, +1 eng vor eng

    I think that would be a fun ship in pve and could also be fun in some pug games.

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