You could always just remind them half those ladies are dudes
I usually only point out that their white knight approach didn't work on the last half dozen "ladies" to come through, and launching into a monologue about they're a lonely Casanova doesn't help.
It seems the bad boys have more success, and as a result aren't as noticeable (I guess because most people have the sense to take it to private tells at that point).
I must admit , I'm having problems logically parsing this .. discussion.
RP requires mutual consent between two players. If someone else's version of RP clashes with the type of RP you prefer, I would simply suggest sending the person a PM informing them of that fact, and shifting instances. If they continue to bother you, place them on ignore.
There is no way you can -- or should -- tell another that the way they chose to RP their character is 'bad' or 'wrong'. Appeals to silly metaconcepts like Federation law are great if both players want to go for the racial tensions line, but don't amount to anything OOC.
Frankly, I find most of the RP I see going on to be fairly tedious. Too much of it is guys flirting with guys pretending to be girls, Starfleet Dental wackiness, or just flat out painful to observe. That's not to say it's all bad, but RP is one of those things that will always rub some people the wrong way because they don't like it.
RP is only fun when it's with people you know who are RP'ing the same scenario you are.
Having some crazy person walk up to me and start a one-sided role-play scenario of their own would simply be bizarre.
People, if you're going to roleplay, join a roleplay group and do whatever you do with those folks instead of inflicting your character's storyline on somebody who doesn't care.
My opinion.
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Rule Number 1. Role Play is a consentual activity..
There is no other actuall rule that can be applied, because rule number is the only one that can be enforced by the players, without the need of any outside agency or person.
If you don't like a particular persons style of role play. Don't role play with them. Telling them why you don't want to RP with them is entirely optional, though, I personally recommend doing so, especially if its simply a matter of objectionable material in thier form of RP
Role play in STO is limited to the lack of sandbox the game has. You can creativly work around it with other players (concentual get it.. they have to consent to YOUR story.. if they do not consent to your story, you have no roleplay for your story...very very simple.)
When I role play I don't worry terribly about what others think. They'll either like what I'm trying to portray with my avatar in play or they will not. They may or may not interact. It's totally thier choice to do so. I'm not the type who is going to RP my character and thier backstory into a re-write of canon in the game enviorment. I role play casual..very casual.. like, laid back with a drink in my hand over a Klin-zha board casual. The other players are ships captains. They're not part of my crew, and they don't take orders from me. And if I'm interacting with opposing faction plays in a social zone then apparently I'm taking a little shore leave. Some liberty. I would assume my superiors would be rather unhappy if I were to trigger an intersteller incedent at Drozana station or DS-9. (I play KDF..I'd have to prove my innocence damd fast to avoid being stripped of command and disencommdated..thats assuming my ships XO doesn't take matters into thier own hand and save high command the bother of shooting me.)
Simply, I keep it with the obvious restrictions of the venue. The original poster could use growing a slightly thicker skin if the more common RP errors are so bothersome (they are common). there are manuals and guides to rp.. Most are biased in some form, including anything that I would write on the subject.
If you don't consent to the character behavior of another player in RP, then don't RP with them. You will find some who wants to RP in a manner you would prefer. Sometimes sooner then later, and sometime later then sooner.
There are elite Role player, and then there are elitist role players.. It real easy to tell them apart.... the elitist types will be happy to announce to you often that they are the elite...
But if your into it, go for it. I am not going to tell you how you should rp or what your story should be. The real actuall elite role players though... you can only know who they are over time.. they don't demand you adjust your story to conform to thiers, or thier role play. They're flexible. And, they tend to be a bit courteous. Not charming courteous, or buy this used shuttle craft courteous. Politeness, and attentiveness to the join story being created is what you'll notice..assuming you notice it at all.. most don't. It's an awareness thing. They're avatar might not like your avatar, but they will rp and interact with you. Conflicting personalities can make for great rp... as long as those involved don't over do it.. Personally, I run into the hate speech RP types and tend to find an excuse to either absent myself, or I yank out "Yea but you think thats bad, what about that idiot running the Rigellian stratagema squad for the intersteller olympics? Jeez he's such an idiot.. why (fill in blank with a load of utterly made up sports trivia) after several chat screens of this they tend to deflate and wander off.. usually much to the amusment of any other rp types present.... and if you really want to drive them away, follow em saying "But hey buddy thats not the worst of it, why..."
Does an Andorian become the captain of the Enterprise? Absolutely not. Since the Enterprise represents the ingenuity, motivation, and passions of humanity, the ship will forever shall be commanded by a human crew. Even though there will be alien executive officers, the captain and first officer will always be human.
Even though this particular discussion point is off-topic, I feel compelled to point out how you are (once again) so completely wrong.
None of the characters you listed were ever the formally appointed captain of the Enterprise. Spock and Riker assumed temporary command under various circumstances, but never received the formal commission to take permanent command. T'Pol and Data only assumed command duties as required by bridge staff rotations.
Recently I've noticed a very disturbing trend. One that showcases a complete lack of respect for your fellow players and also shows that you do NOT have a firm grasp on the mythos and lore of Star Trek.
I walk into a bar, and someone comes up to me to initiate a roleplay session. Introductions are exchanged then the person immediately launches into a long detailed rant about how he hates me, my entire race, everyone who looks even similar to me and justifies it because someone in my race killed a family member. Therefore, he cannot STAND my presence, cannot stand me, and has now made it his mission in life to punish me an all of "my kind" because of... something.
The race doesn't matter. The details do not matter. Really, do you think someone wants to log in and be "screamed at" by another person? To sit there through a longwinded hate speech? To be told that they are (even in character) an abomination and should be executed simply because they are different?
I've seen it happen in casual RP, I've seen it happen in fleet RP. I'll be blunt: Racisim is wrong, even pretend racism. Hiding behind the banner of RP and using it to justify hate-play is disgusting.
Now I'm not saying that there should be no interpersonal conflict, or dislike or anything of that sort. Star Trek is about resolving conflicts, becoming better and moving on to the next challenge. Rarely did we see outright hate expressed, and when it was it was worked through.
I'm not seeing that in game. I've seen enough RP encounters around the maps to know that grand high vengeance, racial-holy-war and personal vendettas against entire races is stock-standard. I would accept that from a KDF character... but when a Federation officer is talking about rounding up and executing people simply because someone long ago killed his/her father... that's just unacceptable.
There are plenty of other MMORPGs where this is acceptable storytelling practice... if you must engage in hate-play please take it elsewhere!
Remember the motto of Starfleet is "To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before." It is not "Blood For The Blood God In The Name Of Vengeance!" It is not "To Boldy Hate Everyone Just Because Shouting Racial Slurs is Fun."
Lets step back and take a long hard look at the way we RP in this game, and learn to RP within the bounds of the mythos and lore. If you are unfamiliar with those don't hesitate to mail me questions in game or /tell me. I'll bring you up to speed. (My @ name is similar to my handle here... I'm a Captain instead of The.)
If you want to RP online, you better be prepared to deal with this. Do you really think the entire Star Trek universe is/was candy and cookies all the time? Did you even watch DS9 or ToS, or are you just basing this upon TNG's view of the Universe? Are you one of those people who plays Chutes and Ladders and complains about all the chutes and all the ladders(I stole that from Sheldon because it applies.)? This is like engaging in PvP and complaining because you are getting killed.
Derision and ridicule is part of what you choose to do. There are people who RP hate, just like there are people who RP love. You do that because you want a 'real world' experience, no? That's what you get. This is just a complaint post about things being too 'real' for you to deal with.
If you want to RP online, you better be prepared to deal with this. Do you really think the entire Star Trek universe is/was candy and cookies all the time? Did you even watch DS9 or ToS, or are you just basing this upon TNG's view of the Universe? Are you one of those people who plays Chutes and Ladders and complains about all the chutes and all the ladders(I stole that from Sheldon because it applies.)? This is like engaging in PvP and complaining because you are getting killed.
Derision and ridicule is part of what you choose to do. There are people who RP hate, just like there are people who RP love. You do that because you want a 'real world' experience, no? That's what you get. This is just a complaint post about things being too 'real' for you to deal with.
Recently I've noticed a very disturbing trend. One that showcases a complete lack of respect for your fellow players and also shows that you do NOT have a firm grasp on the mythos and lore of Star Trek.
I walk into a bar, and someone comes up to me to initiate a roleplay session. Introductions are exchanged then the person immediately launches into a long detailed rant about how he hates me, my entire race, everyone who looks even similar to me and justifies it because someone in my race killed a family member. Therefore, he cannot STAND my presence, cannot stand me, and has now made it his mission in life to punish me an all of "my kind" because of... something.
The race doesn't matter. The details do not matter. Really, do you think someone wants to log in and be "screamed at" by another person? To sit there through a longwinded hate speech? To be told that they are (even in character) an abomination and should be executed simply because they are different?
I've seen it happen in casual RP, I've seen it happen in fleet RP. I'll be blunt: Racisim is wrong, even pretend racism. Hiding behind the banner of RP and using it to justify hate-play is disgusting.
Now I'm not saying that there should be no interpersonal conflict, or dislike or anything of that sort. Star Trek is about resolving conflicts, becoming better and moving on to the next challenge. Rarely did we see outright hate expressed, and when it was it was worked through.
I'm not seeing that in game. I've seen enough RP encounters around the maps to know that grand high vengeance, racial-holy-war and personal vendettas against entire races is stock-standard. I would accept that from a KDF character... but when a Federation officer is talking about rounding up and executing people simply because someone long ago killed his/her father... that's just unacceptable.
There are plenty of other MMORPGs where this is acceptable storytelling practice... if you must engage in hate-play please take it elsewhere!
Remember the motto of Starfleet is "To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before." It is not "Blood For The Blood God In The Name Of Vengeance!" It is not "To Boldy Hate Everyone Just Because Shouting Racial Slurs is Fun."
Lets step back and take a long hard look at the way we RP in this game, and learn to RP within the bounds of the mythos and lore. If you are unfamiliar with those don't hesitate to mail me questions in game or /tell me. I'll bring you up to speed. (My @ name is similar to my handle here... I'm a Captain instead of The.)
I agree entirely.
I walk into a bar and put out a few fires with my extinguisher and I am subjected to racial slurs and hate filled rants because I am in a fleet that feels strongly about dental hygiene, and fire safety.
I think it is very poor roleplay. We strive to set a great example in the community but have to put up with a lot of out-of-character tirades. Poor RP in my opinion.
Even though this particular discussion point is off-topic, I feel compelled to point out how you are (once again) so completely wrong.
None of the characters you listed were ever the formally appointed captain of the Enterprise. Spock and Riker assumed temporary command under various circumstances, but never received the formal commission to take permanent command. T'Pol and Data only assumed command duties as required by bridge staff rotations.
Riker was promoted to Captain and given formal command of the Enterprise D at the beginning of the Best of Both Worlds II because Admiral Hanson declared Picard dead after he had been assimilated.
I do challenge the preposition that Riker wasn't human; Captain Picard is clearly a Liberated Borg Human so he loses on the "racial purity" scale there, but that's semantics I guess.
Recently I've noticed a very disturbing trend. One that showcases a complete lack of respect for your fellow players and also shows that you do NOT have a firm grasp on the mythos and lore of Star Trek.
I walk into a bar, and someone comes up to me to initiate a roleplay session. Introductions are exchanged then the person immediately launches into a long detailed rant about how he hates me, my entire race, everyone who looks even similar to me and justifies it because someone in my race killed a family member. Therefore, he cannot STAND my presence, cannot stand me, and has now made it his mission in life to punish me an all of "my kind" because of... something.
The race doesn't matter. The details do not matter. Really, do you think someone wants to log in and be "screamed at" by another person? To sit there through a longwinded hate speech? To be told that they are (even in character) an abomination and should be executed simply because they are different?
Never seen the episode "Balance of Terror"? Just watch Styles the entire time.
I've seen it happen in casual RP, I've seen it happen in fleet RP. I'll be blunt: Racisim is wrong, even pretend racism. Hiding behind the banner of RP and using it to justify hate-play is disgusting.
OMG...
OK guy.
Look, coming from a mixed background, I've witnessed and received REAL racism. Fake racism in a game full of fake characters from fake alien races is fake. It's also kind of LOL if someone is getting all into RP like that. Like some of the others said ---> hit ignore and walk away. Save your rage for real injustice towards real people.
3.) Does not contrive reasons for old tech (TOS) to exist and/or be competent in the current setting.
Actually you're contradicting yourself right here. Contrivances as to why we have TOS-era Constitution classes flying in battle are integrated part and parcel with bits of the storyline. Trying to excise it would in itself be a deviation from the storyline.
all incarnations of enterprise had non human first officers (and a few second officers)
number 1 (species never revealed but non human)
Spock
Riker (yes we know some people claim he was human but this is disputed on the grounds of him being a transporter clone and other evidence )
T'pol
and lets not forget Data
as to TOS tech remaining competent
A phaser in TOS can disintegrate a man sized target with a single shot
A phaser in STO barely slows him down ergo TOS phasers are superior
A rock to the head is stone age tech but still just as deadly
Recently I've noticed a very disturbing trend. One that showcases a complete lack of respect for your fellow players and also shows that you do NOT have a firm grasp on the mythos and lore of Star Trek.
I walk into a bar, and someone comes up to me to initiate a roleplay session. Introductions are exchanged then the person immediately launches into a long detailed rant about how he hates me, my entire race, everyone who looks even similar to me and justifies it because someone in my race killed a family member. Therefore, he cannot STAND my presence, cannot stand me, and has now made it his mission in life to punish me an all of "my kind" because of... something.
The race doesn't matter. The details do not matter. Really, do you think someone wants to log in and be "screamed at" by another person? To sit there through a longwinded hate speech? To be told that they are (even in character) an abomination and should be executed simply because they are different?
I've seen it happen in casual RP, I've seen it happen in fleet RP. I'll be blunt: Racisim is wrong, even pretend racism. Hiding behind the banner of RP and using it to justify hate-play is disgusting.
Now I'm not saying that there should be no interpersonal conflict, or dislike or anything of that sort. Star Trek is about resolving conflicts, becoming better and moving on to the next challenge. Rarely did we see outright hate expressed, and when it was it was worked through.
I'm not seeing that in game. I've seen enough RP encounters around the maps to know that grand high vengeance, racial-holy-war and personal vendettas against entire races is stock-standard. I would accept that from a KDF character... but when a Federation officer is talking about rounding up and executing people simply because someone long ago killed his/her father... that's just unacceptable.
There are plenty of other MMORPGs where this is acceptable storytelling practice... if you must engage in hate-play please take it elsewhere!
Remember the motto of Starfleet is "To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before." It is not "Blood For The Blood God In The Name Of Vengeance!" It is not "To Boldy Hate Everyone Just Because Shouting Racial Slurs is Fun."
Lets step back and take a long hard look at the way we RP in this game, and learn to RP within the bounds of the mythos and lore. If you are unfamiliar with those don't hesitate to mail me questions in game or /tell me. I'll bring you up to speed. (My @ name is similar to my handle here... I'm a Captain instead of The.)
I can't stop laughing about this thread. It reminds me of a german Neverwinter Nights RP shard I used to play on for a short while over a decade ago until I noticed how bad some players (not their characters!) were behaving on said server. RP on this server suffered immensily, because there were people like you. People who always played a bland 'Mr./Mrs. Perfect' character: Flawless supermen which made up for the most boring encounters in the history of RP. Everything they did had perfect results. I bet they even shat bricks of pure gold. Other players then deliberatly created characters which came with inherent flaws, racial prejudices and other not so politically correct traits you can (sadly) encounter in human society to make RP more interesting.
However, first group then was offended by these things. It was mind-boggling. They were completely unable to differentiate between the player and the characters they played. Apparently these people like to think that their characters are an ingame copy of themselves (yeah, you wish ...) and apply this view on everyone else, too.
Oh, and don't get me started on racism in Star Trek. Don't pretend it doesn't exist on the shows. Even the allmighty holier-than-thou Starfleet often featured certain characters full of prejudices against certain species'.
What other evidence, and how would you prove that a transporter "clone" isn't human? Both Will and Thomas Riker seem human to me.
Evidence Riker is not human
Dates/kisses ANYTHING that moves
Observed wearing a skant something otherwise observed on a klingon
Married a non human
is 1st officer of the enterprise a role traditionally given to a non human
provoked the curiosity of a number of aliens who wished to disect him
evidence a transporter clone is not human
a person has one soul this is what makes them a person a photocopy (transporter clone) presumable has a copy of a soul
previous encounters with transporter clones has shown one to be Evil and one to be Good
neither being definably human.
Also if a transporter clone is human then a photocopy of a $50 bill is legal tender surely
Actually you're contradicting yourself right here. Contrivances as to why we have TOS-era Constitution classes flying in battle are integrated part and parcel with bits of the storyline. Trying to excise it would in itself be a deviation from the storyline.
Not really. They're tier 1 ships, designed as throw-away training ships that could be built or recommissioned quickly for use in the war. You don't see a T5 connie anywhere, do you?
(Yes, I know there's a T5 excelsior. Worst mistake the devs ever made, but the cat's out of the bag for that particular ship. )
evidence a transporter clone is not human
a person has one soul this is what makes them a person a photocopy (transporter clone) presumable has a copy of a soul
You're making a lot of assumptions on metaphysics there.
previous encounters with transporter clones has shown one to be Evil and one to be Good
neither being definably human.
That happened to Kirk and it was a one time story plot. Transporter technology has moved on since then, so I imagine it's a little better.
Voyagers transporters would later create Tuvix, who arguable had more soul than either Tuvok or Neelix.
Dates/kisses ANYTHING that moves
Observed wearing a skant something otherwise observed on a klingon
Married a non human
is 1st officer of the enterprise a role traditionally given to a non human
provoked the curiosity of a number of aliens who wished to disect him
evidence a transporter clone is not human
a person has one soul this is what makes them a person a photocopy (transporter clone) presumable has a copy of a soul
previous encounters with transporter clones has shown one to be Evil and one to be Good
neither being definably human.
Also if a transporter clone is human then a photocopy of a $50 bill is legal tender surely
Hello Mr Engineer, the Chaos Gods want your soul-copying machine. They are willing to pay in skulls and space herpes.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
People in TOS didn't wear body armor or personal energy shield generators.
nor do half the things we can't disintegrate (and actually some people in TOS did wear armour/shields
Dates/kisses ANYTHING that moves
He is a man, men do these things even when married. Sad fact of life
No we don't
you may be mistaking men and "boys"
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Observed wearing a skant something otherwise observed on a klingon
Picture? pls
not a chance
I would get instantly banned for posting copyright material
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Married a non human
So?
so highly suspect
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is 1st officer of the enterprise a role traditionally given to a non human
Worst leap in logic I've ever seen.
All prior enterprise first officers were at most half human
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provoked the curiosity of a number of aliens who wished to disect him
He was alien to the Elachi who wanted to investigate him, as were a number of the Enterprise D crew.
but why riker ?
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evidence a transporter clone is not human
a person has one soul this is what makes them a person a photocopy (transporter clone) presumable has a copy of a soul
You're making a lot of assumptions on metaphysics there.
no I am drawing a conclusion based on existing data
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previous encounters with transporter clones has shown one to be Evil and one to be Good
neither being definably human.
That happened to Kirk and it was a one time story plot.
but is hard canon
Transporter technology has moved on since then, so I imagine it's a little better.
a lot worse actually the number of transporter accidents in TNG is considerably higher
Voyagers transporters would later create Tuvix, who arguable had more soul than either Tuvok or Neelix.
or none at all
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Also if a transporter clone is human then a photocopy of a $50 bill is legal tender surely
Chalk and cheese, but it would be fair to say that if you photocopied the $50 both things would be made of paper.
correct
Hello Mr Engineer, the Chaos Gods want your soul-copying machine. They are willing to pay in skulls and space herpes.
I am sorry I serve Order and will thwart them and their servant Elric
nor do half the things we can't disintegrate (and actually some people in TOS did wear armour/shields
I could argue that the "armor" seen in TOS wasn't meant to protect against energy discharges, since it was always worn in melee engagements. I could argue that the items you can't disintegrate in the game are all inorganic in nature, and point out that organic anything is much more susceptible to energy and heat than anything inorganic of a similar mass and volume. I could also point out that the only inorganic objects seen disintegrated in TOS were actually quite small, and that larger objects required multiple phasers or disruptors being fired simultaneously for very long periods of time, which would seem to match what we have in STO currently.
I could say all that, but you would simply choose to ignore it again, instead falling back upon your own delusional imaginings.
Targs (no shield no armour)
Various forms of animal (no shield no armour)
And a phaser on disintegrate can vapourise stone (as seen many times) but apparently not lock boxes
And a phaser on disintegrate can vapourise stone (as seen many times) but apparently not lock boxes
This interjection has nothing to do with the discussion admittedly, but I must say that now you have made me very much want to be able to shoot and destroy any lock boxes that drop near me.
I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
Recently I've noticed a very disturbing trend. One that showcases a complete lack of respect for your fellow players and also shows that you do NOT have a firm grasp on the mythos and lore of Star Trek.
I walk into a bar, and someone comes up to me to initiate a roleplay session. Introductions are exchanged then the person immediately launches into a long detailed rant about how he hates me, my entire race, everyone who looks even similar to me and justifies it because someone in my race killed a family member. Therefore, he cannot STAND my presence, cannot stand me, and has now made it his mission in life to punish me an all of "my kind" because of... something.
The race doesn't matter. The details do not matter. Really, do you think someone wants to log in and be "screamed at" by another person? To sit there through a longwinded hate speech? To be told that they are (even in character) an abomination and should be executed simply because they are different?
I've seen it happen in casual RP, I've seen it happen in fleet RP. I'll be blunt: Racisim is wrong, even pretend racism. Hiding behind the banner of RP and using it to justify hate-play is disgusting.
Now I'm not saying that there should be no interpersonal conflict, or dislike or anything of that sort. Star Trek is about resolving conflicts, becoming better and moving on to the next challenge. Rarely did we see outright hate expressed, and when it was it was worked through.
I'm not seeing that in game. I've seen enough RP encounters around the maps to know that grand high vengeance, racial-holy-war and personal vendettas against entire races is stock-standard. I would accept that from a KDF character... but when a Federation officer is talking about rounding up and executing people simply because someone long ago killed his/her father... that's just unacceptable.
There are plenty of other MMORPGs where this is acceptable storytelling practice... if you must engage in hate-play please take it elsewhere!
Remember the motto of Starfleet is "To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before." It is not "Blood For The Blood God In The Name Of Vengeance!" It is not "To Boldy Hate Everyone Just Because Shouting Racial Slurs is Fun."
Lets step back and take a long hard look at the way we RP in this game, and learn to RP within the bounds of the mythos and lore. If you are unfamiliar with those don't hesitate to mail me questions in game or /tell me. I'll bring you up to speed. (My @ name is similar to my handle here... I'm a Captain instead of The.)
racism or race based on classification as an insult is a grey area. people use the idea like a weapon for their needs and not understand the underlying reason behind it. humans are a race of their own and it makes little sense insulting what you are, but you can insult a ethnic group which you can claim discrimination on. post screen shots of it in a ticket on support and send it out and let cryptic determine if its really discrimination based.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
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It seems the bad boys have more success, and as a result aren't as noticeable (I guess because most people have the sense to take it to private tells at that point).
My standard away team is all female tactical officers.
It was fun finally being able to use them on Nimbus in a public setting.
I've heard it's become a last resort due to some of the griefing and RP-griefing going on in what I gather are traditional RP locations.
RP requires mutual consent between two players. If someone else's version of RP clashes with the type of RP you prefer, I would simply suggest sending the person a PM informing them of that fact, and shifting instances. If they continue to bother you, place them on ignore.
There is no way you can -- or should -- tell another that the way they chose to RP their character is 'bad' or 'wrong'. Appeals to silly metaconcepts like Federation law are great if both players want to go for the racial tensions line, but don't amount to anything OOC.
Frankly, I find most of the RP I see going on to be fairly tedious. Too much of it is guys flirting with guys pretending to be girls, Starfleet Dental wackiness, or just flat out painful to observe. That's not to say it's all bad, but RP is one of those things that will always rub some people the wrong way because they don't like it.
Having some crazy person walk up to me and start a one-sided role-play scenario of their own would simply be bizarre.
People, if you're going to roleplay, join a roleplay group and do whatever you do with those folks instead of inflicting your character's storyline on somebody who doesn't care.
My opinion.
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Rule Number 1. Role Play is a consentual activity..
There is no other actuall rule that can be applied, because rule number is the only one that can be enforced by the players, without the need of any outside agency or person.
If you don't like a particular persons style of role play. Don't role play with them. Telling them why you don't want to RP with them is entirely optional, though, I personally recommend doing so, especially if its simply a matter of objectionable material in thier form of RP
Role play in STO is limited to the lack of sandbox the game has. You can creativly work around it with other players (concentual get it.. they have to consent to YOUR story.. if they do not consent to your story, you have no roleplay for your story...very very simple.)
When I role play I don't worry terribly about what others think. They'll either like what I'm trying to portray with my avatar in play or they will not. They may or may not interact. It's totally thier choice to do so. I'm not the type who is going to RP my character and thier backstory into a re-write of canon in the game enviorment. I role play casual..very casual.. like, laid back with a drink in my hand over a Klin-zha board casual. The other players are ships captains. They're not part of my crew, and they don't take orders from me. And if I'm interacting with opposing faction plays in a social zone then apparently I'm taking a little shore leave. Some liberty. I would assume my superiors would be rather unhappy if I were to trigger an intersteller incedent at Drozana station or DS-9. (I play KDF..I'd have to prove my innocence damd fast to avoid being stripped of command and disencommdated..thats assuming my ships XO doesn't take matters into thier own hand and save high command the bother of shooting me.)
Simply, I keep it with the obvious restrictions of the venue. The original poster could use growing a slightly thicker skin if the more common RP errors are so bothersome (they are common). there are manuals and guides to rp.. Most are biased in some form, including anything that I would write on the subject.
If you don't consent to the character behavior of another player in RP, then don't RP with them. You will find some who wants to RP in a manner you would prefer. Sometimes sooner then later, and sometime later then sooner.
There are elite Role player, and then there are elitist role players.. It real easy to tell them apart.... the elitist types will be happy to announce to you often that they are the elite...
But if your into it, go for it. I am not going to tell you how you should rp or what your story should be. The real actuall elite role players though... you can only know who they are over time.. they don't demand you adjust your story to conform to thiers, or thier role play. They're flexible. And, they tend to be a bit courteous. Not charming courteous, or buy this used shuttle craft courteous. Politeness, and attentiveness to the join story being created is what you'll notice..assuming you notice it at all.. most don't. It's an awareness thing. They're avatar might not like your avatar, but they will rp and interact with you. Conflicting personalities can make for great rp... as long as those involved don't over do it.. Personally, I run into the hate speech RP types and tend to find an excuse to either absent myself, or I yank out "Yea but you think thats bad, what about that idiot running the Rigellian stratagema squad for the intersteller olympics? Jeez he's such an idiot.. why (fill in blank with a load of utterly made up sports trivia) after several chat screens of this they tend to deflate and wander off.. usually much to the amusment of any other rp types present.... and if you really want to drive them away, follow em saying "But hey buddy thats not the worst of it, why..."
Umm...first officer Spock. 'Nuff said.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
Spock
T'pol
Riker
Data
Even though this particular discussion point is off-topic, I feel compelled to point out how you are (once again) so completely wrong.
None of the characters you listed were ever the formally appointed captain of the Enterprise. Spock and Riker assumed temporary command under various circumstances, but never received the formal commission to take permanent command. T'Pol and Data only assumed command duties as required by bridge staff rotations.
If you want to RP online, you better be prepared to deal with this. Do you really think the entire Star Trek universe is/was candy and cookies all the time? Did you even watch DS9 or ToS, or are you just basing this upon TNG's view of the Universe? Are you one of those people who plays Chutes and Ladders and complains about all the chutes and all the ladders(I stole that from Sheldon because it applies.)? This is like engaging in PvP and complaining because you are getting killed.
Derision and ridicule is part of what you choose to do. There are people who RP hate, just like there are people who RP love. You do that because you want a 'real world' experience, no? That's what you get. This is just a complaint post about things being too 'real' for you to deal with.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The o3 - Killed you good
Sounds like an episode of Community.
I agree entirely.
I walk into a bar and put out a few fires with my extinguisher and I am subjected to racial slurs and hate filled rants because I am in a fleet that feels strongly about dental hygiene, and fire safety.
I think it is very poor roleplay. We strive to set a great example in the community but have to put up with a lot of out-of-character tirades. Poor RP in my opinion.
Riker was promoted to Captain and given formal command of the Enterprise D at the beginning of the Best of Both Worlds II because Admiral Hanson declared Picard dead after he had been assimilated.
I do challenge the preposition that Riker wasn't human; Captain Picard is clearly a Liberated Borg Human so he loses on the "racial purity" scale there, but that's semantics I guess.
OMG...
OK guy.
Look, coming from a mixed background, I've witnessed and received REAL racism. Fake racism in a game full of fake characters from fake alien races is fake. It's also kind of LOL if someone is getting all into RP like that. Like some of the others said ---> hit ignore and walk away. Save your rage for real injustice towards real people.
Actually you're contradicting yourself right here. Contrivances as to why we have TOS-era Constitution classes flying in battle are integrated part and parcel with bits of the storyline. Trying to excise it would in itself be a deviation from the storyline.
number 1 (species never revealed but non human)
Spock
Riker (yes we know some people claim he was human but this is disputed on the grounds of him being a transporter clone and other evidence )
T'pol
and lets not forget Data
as to TOS tech remaining competent
A phaser in TOS can disintegrate a man sized target with a single shot
A phaser in STO barely slows him down ergo TOS phasers are superior
A rock to the head is stone age tech but still just as deadly
I can't stop laughing about this thread. It reminds me of a german Neverwinter Nights RP shard I used to play on for a short while over a decade ago until I noticed how bad some players (not their characters!) were behaving on said server. RP on this server suffered immensily, because there were people like you. People who always played a bland 'Mr./Mrs. Perfect' character: Flawless supermen which made up for the most boring encounters in the history of RP. Everything they did had perfect results. I bet they even shat bricks of pure gold. Other players then deliberatly created characters which came with inherent flaws, racial prejudices and other not so politically correct traits you can (sadly) encounter in human society to make RP more interesting.
However, first group then was offended by these things. It was mind-boggling. They were completely unable to differentiate between the player and the characters they played. Apparently these people like to think that their characters are an ingame copy of themselves (yeah, you wish ...) and apply this view on everyone else, too.
Oh, and don't get me started on racism in Star Trek. Don't pretend it doesn't exist on the shows. Even the allmighty holier-than-thou Starfleet often featured certain characters full of prejudices against certain species'.
Evidence Riker is not human
Dates/kisses ANYTHING that moves
Observed wearing a skant something otherwise observed on a klingon
Married a non human
is 1st officer of the enterprise a role traditionally given to a non human
provoked the curiosity of a number of aliens who wished to disect him
evidence a transporter clone is not human
a person has one soul this is what makes them a person a photocopy (transporter clone) presumable has a copy of a soul
previous encounters with transporter clones has shown one to be Evil and one to be Good
neither being definably human.
Also if a transporter clone is human then a photocopy of a $50 bill is legal tender surely
(Yes, I know there's a T5 excelsior. Worst mistake the devs ever made, but the cat's out of the bag for that particular ship.
People in TOS didn't wear body armor or personal energy shield generators.
Picture? pls So? Worst leap in logic I've ever seen.
He was alien to the Elachi who wanted to investigate him, as were a number of the Enterprise D crew.
You're making a lot of assumptions on metaphysics there.
That happened to Kirk and it was a one time story plot. Transporter technology has moved on since then, so I imagine it's a little better.
Voyagers transporters would later create Tuvix, who arguable had more soul than either Tuvok or Neelix.
Chalk and cheese, but it would be fair to say that if you photocopied the $50 both things would be made of paper.
Hello Mr Engineer, the Chaos Gods want your soul-copying machine. They are willing to pay in skulls and space herpes.
nor do half the things we can't disintegrate (and actually some people in TOS did wear armour/shields
No we don't
you may be mistaking men and "boys"
not a chance
I would get instantly banned for posting copyright material
so highly suspect
All prior enterprise first officers were at most half human
but why riker ?
no I am drawing a conclusion based on existing data
but is hard canon
a lot worse actually the number of transporter accidents in TNG is considerably higher
or none at all
correct
I am sorry I serve Order and will thwart them and their servant Elric
I could argue that the "armor" seen in TOS wasn't meant to protect against energy discharges, since it was always worn in melee engagements. I could argue that the items you can't disintegrate in the game are all inorganic in nature, and point out that organic anything is much more susceptible to energy and heat than anything inorganic of a similar mass and volume. I could also point out that the only inorganic objects seen disintegrated in TOS were actually quite small, and that larger objects required multiple phasers or disruptors being fired simultaneously for very long periods of time, which would seem to match what we have in STO currently.
I could say all that, but you would simply choose to ignore it again, instead falling back upon your own delusional imaginings.
Various forms of animal (no shield no armour)
And a phaser on disintegrate can vapourise stone (as seen many times) but apparently not lock boxes
This interjection has nothing to do with the discussion admittedly, but I must say that now you have made me very much want to be able to shoot and destroy any lock boxes that drop near me.
racism or race based on classification as an insult is a grey area. people use the idea like a weapon for their needs and not understand the underlying reason behind it. humans are a race of their own and it makes little sense insulting what you are, but you can insult a ethnic group which you can claim discrimination on. post screen shots of it in a ticket on support and send it out and let cryptic determine if its really discrimination based.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.