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[Roleplay Communtiy] Hate-Based RP and You (too far off topic, closed)
themarie
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Recently I've noticed a very disturbing trend. One that showcases a complete lack of respect for your fellow players and also shows that you do NOT have a firm grasp on the mythos and lore of Star Trek.
I walk into a bar, and someone comes up to me to initiate a roleplay session. Introductions are exchanged then the person immediately launches into a long detailed rant about how he hates me, my entire race, everyone who looks even similar to me and justifies it because someone in my race killed a family member. Therefore, he cannot STAND my presence, cannot stand me, and has now made it his mission in life to punish me an all of "my kind" because of... something.
The race doesn't matter. The details do not matter. Really, do you think someone wants to log in and be "screamed at" by another person? To sit there through a longwinded hate speech? To be told that they are (even in character) an abomination and should be executed simply because they are different?
I've seen it happen in casual RP, I've seen it happen in fleet RP. I'll be blunt: Racisim is wrong, even pretend racism. Hiding behind the banner of RP and using it to justify hate-play is disgusting.
Now I'm not saying that there should be no interpersonal conflict, or dislike or anything of that sort. Star Trek is about resolving conflicts, becoming better and moving on to the next challenge. Rarely did we see outright hate expressed, and when it was it was worked through.
I'm not seeing that in game. I've seen enough RP encounters around the maps to know that grand high vengeance, racial-holy-war and personal vendettas against entire races is stock-standard. I would accept that from a KDF character... but when a Federation officer is talking about rounding up and executing people simply because someone long ago killed his/her father... that's just unacceptable.
There are plenty of other MMORPGs where this is acceptable storytelling practice... if you must engage in hate-play please take it elsewhere!
Remember the motto of Starfleet is "To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before." It is not "Blood For The Blood God In The Name Of Vengeance!" It is not "To Boldy Hate Everyone Just Because Shouting Racial Slurs is Fun."
Lets step back and take a long hard look at the way we RP in this game, and learn to RP within the bounds of the mythos and lore. If you are unfamiliar with those don't hesitate to mail me questions in game or /tell me. I'll bring you up to speed. (My @ name is similar to my handle here... I'm a Captain instead of The.)
I walk into a bar, and someone comes up to me to initiate a roleplay session. Introductions are exchanged then the person immediately launches into a long detailed rant about how he hates me, my entire race, everyone who looks even similar to me and justifies it because someone in my race killed a family member. Therefore, he cannot STAND my presence, cannot stand me, and has now made it his mission in life to punish me an all of "my kind" because of... something.
The race doesn't matter. The details do not matter. Really, do you think someone wants to log in and be "screamed at" by another person? To sit there through a longwinded hate speech? To be told that they are (even in character) an abomination and should be executed simply because they are different?
I've seen it happen in casual RP, I've seen it happen in fleet RP. I'll be blunt: Racisim is wrong, even pretend racism. Hiding behind the banner of RP and using it to justify hate-play is disgusting.
Now I'm not saying that there should be no interpersonal conflict, or dislike or anything of that sort. Star Trek is about resolving conflicts, becoming better and moving on to the next challenge. Rarely did we see outright hate expressed, and when it was it was worked through.
I'm not seeing that in game. I've seen enough RP encounters around the maps to know that grand high vengeance, racial-holy-war and personal vendettas against entire races is stock-standard. I would accept that from a KDF character... but when a Federation officer is talking about rounding up and executing people simply because someone long ago killed his/her father... that's just unacceptable.
There are plenty of other MMORPGs where this is acceptable storytelling practice... if you must engage in hate-play please take it elsewhere!
Remember the motto of Starfleet is "To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before." It is not "Blood For The Blood God In The Name Of Vengeance!" It is not "To Boldy Hate Everyone Just Because Shouting Racial Slurs is Fun."
Lets step back and take a long hard look at the way we RP in this game, and learn to RP within the bounds of the mythos and lore. If you are unfamiliar with those don't hesitate to mail me questions in game or /tell me. I'll bring you up to speed. (My @ name is similar to my handle here... I'm a Captain instead of The.)
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I find RP to be stupid, backwards, and otherwise pointless. I've always found I can separate players who RP into one of three categories, all of which I find distasteful:
1.) The players who want to have intimate encounters, but apparently aren't capable of doing so in real life.
2.) The players who don't accept a game's established story line, setting, etc., and instead want to invent their own.
3.) The players who really want to grief or otherwise ruin someone's day, but need a way to "legitimize" it so they don't get punished by the game moderators.
Of those 3 categories, the person you described (up until I stopped reading) definitely fit in category 3. These are the same people that aren't happy with the Romulans now being peaceful, and more or less the same people that also want to force PvP on the community at large (open-world, non-consensual PvP). I've found it's often best to just report them for griefing, trolling, or any other infraction that fits their behavior, ignore them, and then move on.
(Category #2 is actually worse, but that's beyond the scope of your thread.)
I have no use for #1, while I am not a "smooth operator" I am capable of real-life relationships. Therefore I don't need to type one-handed.
Point #2, this is a huge problem. The number of people who think this is Mass Effect Online, HALO-RPG online or an extension of Star Wars is just absurd. Make an effort to fit in to the established settings please!
Point #3: The battle against griefers is ongoing and will continue for all time.
We are regularly participating in roleplaying wars between rival space guilds. Complex treaty negotiates and arranged pvp does occur. All of this occurs out of the public eye, except when we arrange a high profile event and in that case we cannot keep people away.
Trying to debate someone spewing hates speech is like trying to mud wrestle with a pig. your not going to win and the pig just enjoys its
so if someone says something you don't like just close the chat and go find something else to do
we really don't need another thread about someone said something mean to me and made me all butt hurt.
:cool:
Some random RP'er who is being a dweeb...well...
/ignore <dweebname>
...and problem solved.
Command Officers of the USS Wyvern (from left to right):
Aurellia Eshkah (Tactical); Indigo Shae (Engineering); Nysiay Chysiayki (VA, Ship Captain)
Jeclia Sek (Science); Vally Mantivour (Security)
If you are a genuine RPer and *cough* ROLEPLAY *cough* with other players and give back and forth (you know... like legit roleplaying), it can be a fun and all together solid session.
Hate RP is just a part of RP, I COMPLETELY agree that some players take it too far or just suck at RPing it well, but saying it is unacceptable is not the answer. Just find players who can RP it well and go from there.
No. Tribbles are fantastic.
Shall we enumerate the categories of people who wander into a thread addressed to the RP community in order to bad-mouth RP and RPers?
i think your way off base there pal they aren't complaining about he said she said but more about a blatent disregard and evasion of the rules of conduct for the server derogitory remarks that have to do with race religion and sexual prefrence are all against the rules hiding behind the guise of rp should still constitute a violation i agree rp is pointless and a total waist of time but thats my opinion using rp to attack some one and ruin there gaming experiance is just wrong on so many lvl's
Well, if they went into a long and detailed 'rant' as to why they RP despise your species, I'd say that it's grossly underselling their roleplay to say that they can't stand you because of "something". They've told you exactly what something is. Roleplay is a 2-way street; we, the roleplaying community, do not exist exclusively to validate your Mary Sue.
You should re-watch the episode of TNG entitled "Encounter at Farpoint". The whole point of the episode was to be "screamed at" and endure a longwinded hate speech.
I imagine that the episode would have had a very different conclusion (and the series been a lot shorter) if Capt. Picard had pursued the course that you seem to be advocating and tried to ignore Q.
Which is why the Cardassians were written as kind and benevolent rulers over Bajor, about whom no Bajoran would have cause to speak unkindly?
I disagree - TNG The Drumhead and TNG Silicon Avatar both speak to Federation officers maintaining exactly the sort of hatred you claim is 'unacceptable' - in one case, going so far as to kill the only known example of an intelligent species for revenge.
I have just demonstrated above that the RP you are denigrating is, in fact, well within the lore and mythos of Star Trek.
I'm sorry that you have obviously missed so much of it.
A) The person in question refuses to have his/her character change their views over time, yet insists on RPing with characters he/she allegedly "hates", or
Conflict between characters makes for interesting RP, as long as it changes and evolves over time. There were certainly plenty of Trek episodes that dealt with the issue of racial prejudice head-on, so it has its place in STO RP.
Please, show me an example of RP in STO that fits the following guidelines:
1.) Takes place in or very near to the year 2409.
2.) Does not attempt to re-write the chain of events or story that the players experience during normal gameplay.
3.) Does not contrive reasons for old tech (TOS) to exist and/or be competent in the current setting.
4.) Does not require PvP.
5.) Does not require players to act a certain way beyond common courtesy and acknowledgement of the story.
6.) Does not require players to walk instead of run.
7.) Does not require players to change their uniform. (See #2 for this, there's a loading screen tip stating that Starfleet opened up the uniform code.)
etc.
I have as yet to see, hear of, or read about such an event.
The point I was making is that if you need RP to stay interested in the game, you should probably move on. Players who RP never do so in what I would consider an engaging manner, instead choosing to live out their personal fantasies. Someone recently described this as "Space Captain Ladies Man who double-fist-punches Gorn in the face", and I find that to be a pretty apt description of the vast majority of RP I've been exposed to.
No, that was not the point you were making. Let me refresh your memory:
And let me draw your attention to the word "always." So, according to you, all RPers fall into those three categories.
Backpedal all you want, it's clear what you are and what you're doing.
And yes, in my experience, it is "always". I'm sure someone, somewhere is the exception to the rule, but I have never met them, nor have I ever heard them described.
Which has nothing to do with your insistence on coming into a thread directed at the RP community and insulting all of them.
Do you wander into churches and mock the believers? Walk into AA and open up a bottle of wine?
There's really no "intelligent thought" needed to comprehend you at all.
I also disagree (respectfully) with the assertion that racism isn't a big part of Star Trek. Fact is, racism is extremely prevalent in Star Trek, even when it comes to main characters.
Captain Kirk - arguably one of the two most famous character in all of Star Trek - said this: "I've never trusted Klingons, and I never will. I've never been able to forgive them for the death of my boy."
This attitude is exactly the RP you're describing as unlike Star Trek. So while it might not be appropriate in your opinion (which is a valid opinion), it's a direct callback to the most famous Captain in Starfleet history.
That said, I do admit the reason Kirk had that attitude is so he could overcome it by the end of the movie.
If the other player is just using the back story to be a jerk, that's not really acceptable. But if they're using it to tell an arc for their character, I think using that theme is perfectly appropriate in RP.
Now, how you (the other player) are supposed to know the difference... I have no answer for that.
Somebody fake killed 20 bugships in one go?! I must learn this fake power. . . there are a few fleet mates that fly bugs that I wouldnt mind taking out in one go. . .
As for the OP, just tell them their mothers was a hamster and their fathers smelt of elder berries. That'll get em thinking, giving you time to vanish. I mean. . . we do have transporters now. . .
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I can tell from this thread that I'm not the only one who sees how stupid this is.
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Honestly, most bad situations in an MMO (not all, but most) are very easily avoided. If someone's roleplaying in a way you think isn't right, just change instances or go somewhere else or simply ignore them.
Then you can just continue having fun.
But many people won't do that because they feel like they're rewarding bad behavior by not standing against it. But here's the thing... I've been gaming online since the infancy of online gaming and in all those years, I've never seen someone grow as a person because someone else "stood up to them" in a video game. Not once. Ever.
So I've decided that I'll fight the good fight in the real world and I'll just have fun when playing video games. If someone's annoying me, I'll leave. I don't argue with them. I don't tell them to grow up. I don't give them a piece of my mind. I just quietly leave.
Should I have to leave because someone else is a jerk? No. Of course not. It's not right. But then I ask myself, "Am I here to be right or am I here to have fun."
Then I leave and start having fun again.
honestly i have no idea why anyone would even want to try to RP in a game NOT designed for it....this is NOT Star Trek a TV show......your just setting yourself up for abuse....i would just suggest to play this mmo solo and totally forget about trying to RP unless your in an RP fleet....just a thought
You think you're all that then you jump on my back and try riding me. Do I LOOK like a horse to you? Starfleet tolerance my left foot.
If you didn't make such great fried chicken I'd orbital bombard the living heck out of Earth.
Serious answer:
people that do that got no idea how to RP or they're trollin, up to you to find out which is which. Knowing people on the Internet, it's the latter.
I don't see a huge point of RP in an MMORPG where you're already playing a role. Plenty of MUCKS, programs, and forums to facilitate that.
Rest in Peace Brothers
and proceeded with his mission
KANG would have found a way
KOR would have found a way
Even KIRK would have found a way
I suspect picards fault is not having a name begining with a K
Kicard Kean Kuc
More to the point a Race is a subgroup of a Species that all share very particular traits in common as in a Breed. A Species is a wholly different creature from other creatures that share similarities to each other.
Ok... So that out of the way...
I think your point mostly just begs the question: "Why not just let them know politely that you do not want to be involved in THAT kind of RP and move it along from there?"