Hm, on the one hand Hakeev would be liable to have very valuable intelligence. On the other hand, given his known familiarity with Iconian technology and ties to Iconian-technology using groups, keeping him captured may be too risky... so, summary execution it is. It's not like there's any question of his guilt for most of his crimes.
Personal feelings are he got what he deserved, however it did feel a little uncomfortable. Perhaps coming from the UK where murders are rare, we don't all shoot first and ask questions later and there's no death penalty even for the worst kind of child killers, I am bound to feel differently. However as a KDF or Romulan I think it fits in well with the story, as a Federation Officer he should be sent to 4028 to rot forever.
I get what you mean, I'm from Germany (no death penalty either), but I see it that way: People love to go on and on about how capital punishment is barbaric, while maintaining armies. That's hypocrisy. The big problem with capital punishment isn't the killing. It's that you will always have witnesses who give false testimony , corrupt policemen who fake evidence and stupid judges who will make wrong decisions. And in the case of capital punishment such things can't be fixed.
Now in the case of Hakeev we (in the case of Romulan characters) have been witness and victim of his crimes, he has confessed to them, not under any form of interrogation, but while gloating. He's still doing it right before you shoot him. He hasn't surrendered either. In that case it's hard to argue against shooting him, in fact I guess most my Fed characters would have looked the other way when Obisek did it.
And if he had been sent to Facility 4028 he would have stayed there only as long as Taris.
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I was a little shocked by the ending of the quest as well. After going through that whole maze and all those fights I was thinking that I'd like to blast this guy, but you're told to bring him in alive. When your captain and Obisek walk up I said just shoot him it's not worth it to take him in, and BAM Obisek blasts him and we just walk away.
I get what you mean, I'm from Germany (no death penalty either), but I see it that way: People love to go on and on about how capital punishment is barbaric, while maintaining armies. That's hypocrisy. The big problem with capital punishment isn't the killing. It's that you will always have witnesses who give false testimony , corrupt policemen who fake evidence and stupid judges who will make wrong decisions. And in the case of capital punishment such things can't be fixed.
Now in the case of Hakeev we (in the case of Romulan characters) have been witness and victim of his crimes, he has confessed to them, not under any form of interrogation, but while gloating. He's still doing it right before you shoot him. He hasn't surrendered either. In that case it's hard to argue against shooting him, in fact I guess most my Fed characters would have looked the other way when Obisek did it.
And if he had been sent to Facility 4028 he would have stayed there only as long as Taris.
You bring up some interesting points, but lets remember, this isn't Germany, The UK or even the US. It is Star Trek. I am not saying up and shooting a guy is right or wrong, but it does keep with the morality as the Romulans see it. It is refreshing to see that they don't view things the same way as the Federation.
Much as I hate the guy, I have to admit, if my federation character up an just shot the guy, I would probably have a problem with it, especially since my understanding is the Federation does not have the death penalty. At the very least, Starfleet isn't going to permit an officer to just shoot someone.
But again, This isn't Starfleet, it is the Romulans. Heck in the episode where you infiltrate the Tal Shiar you up and "shoot" a prisoner for trying to escape. And pretty much no one bats an eye.
While one would expect a little more control from the Republic, I still don't see where up and ending the threat that is Hakeev is wrong from their standpoint.
I would have taken the other eye first....then played macro polo with him for a bit, than find an old chemical propelled weapon (a gun) and then shoot him in the head.:D
You bring up some interesting points, but lets remember, this isn't Germany, The UK or even the US. It is Star Trek. I am not saying up and shooting a guy is right or wrong, but it does keep with the morality as the Romulans see it. It is refreshing to see that they don't view things the same way as the Federation.
Much as I hate the guy, I have to admit, if my federation character up an just shot the guy, I would probably have a problem with it, especially since my understanding is the Federation does not have the death penalty. At the very least, Starfleet isn't going to permit an officer to just shoot someone.
But again, This isn't Starfleet, it is the Romulans. Heck in the episode where you infiltrate the Tal Shiar you up and "shoot" a prisoner for trying to escape. And pretty much no one bats an eye.
While one would expect a little more control from the Republic, I still don't see where up and ending the threat that is Hakeev is wrong from their standpoint.
The Romulans are a enigmatic, unknown race by their own choice and by lack of canonical information about them. The thing to remember about the them is that they are not humans. They aren't Federation. And they certainly aren't Vulcan. One should not try to judge their behavior against any of the group I mentioned.
Another think the poster alludes to is that all of that gloating and atrocities are witnessed first hand by your Romulan captain. Since Romulans are Vulcanoid, I think our Captains show a great deal of restraint in how we deal with Hakeev.
Pretty sure there's nothing cold-blooded about it. This is the guy who has, among other things, destroyed your colony, enslaved your friends and sold them to the Elachi, duped Taris into destroying the homeworld, kidnapped you and forced you to fight as a gladiator, and last but not least personally violated you mentally while you were a prisoner on his ship.
I'm pretty sure even a Vulcan would twice an eyebrow at that litany of abuse. For a Romulan... nope, I'm sure my Romulan toon's blood was right about at the boiling point when she pulled the trigger.
OK... been meaning to post this for a week, but kept on forgetting about it...
So, Cloaked Intentions, final mission Cutting the Cord, after going through the maze, and finally getting to Hakeev in the courtyard.
There is a nice new dialogue between him and Sela. which I like...
Sela basically tells him that he failed and that he should never had brought the iconians into this, and beams away.
So then you are left to fight Hakeev, and being a RR officer, the event plays out diferently than I remeber from Fed point of view.
Ok, I know this is a little long winded... sorry...
But when you and Obisek finally defeat Hakeev... I remember the first time through this with a Fed character he just dies.
Haven't played it as a KDF character, but with my Fed aligned Rom...
He makes some kind of small speech and then you blast him right there on the spot :eek:
WHAT?!?!?!
And Obisek is just standing there watching you.
I was like , WOW! What just happened?
Is it me, or was that a little cold blooded?
You MUST be a Fed! He's committed atrocities across half the quadrant that would make Genghis Khan go white faced and have to steady himself on the furniture... he's tried to brainwash you, corrupt you, kill you... DAMN RIGHT I vaporized his head!! Then breathed in the heady perfume of his timely demise... when I get my hands on Seela... her's won't be so quick! (and boiling Tal Shiar away in to space is even more satisfying than obliterating True Way fanatics!)... you Feds with your "oh let's bring them to justice"... you are such primitive children
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All this talk about Fed not being allowed to do something like that makes me think of Operation Gamma where you get the choice to kill Farek or not, and then get an accolade for it.
Vulcans wouldnt bat an eye over how he was killed off, he was too high a risk to keep at 4028 with his ties to the iconians. They would figure that logicly the Iconians have other gates yet to be found and would want to come collect the pet romulan so he can continue making more gates. The risk of him being released by iconian is one thing but then there are all the other high profile prisoners at 4028 who will be at risk of escape as well. Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and a whole galaxy for Hakeev was the correct choice.
As for starfleet they wouldnt bat an eye either because it is a romulan/reman matter and that hakeev is obiseks prisoner to do with as he pleases. federation involvment was an act of aliance building as well as responding to a threat to federation space by way of Hakeev unleashing the Iconians if his plans came to fruition. Aprove they may not but interfere they will not, and an aliance with New Romulas and the reman colony there is too great a prize to stop Obisek and risk losing.
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As for starfleet they wouldnt bat an eye either because it is a romulan/reman matter and that hakeev is obiseks prisoner to do with as he pleases. federation involvment was an act of aliance building as well as responding to a threat to federation space by way of Hakeev unleashing the Iconians if his plans came to fruition. Aprove they may not but interfere they will not, and an aliance with New Romulas and the reman colony there is too great a prize to stop Obisek and risk losing.
I think "not batting an eye" isn't quite right. Philosophically speaking, Obisek's actions go against Federation ideals. So I don't say them doing nothing, that said, it is unlikely they would actively do anything against Obisek. Personal/interal matter and all.
however, What the feds would do, isn't really the point of the OP, or what he is talking about. It is that as playing as a Romulan character, Obisek isn't the one that executes Hakeev, you as the player are.
Vulcans wouldnt bat an eye over how he was killed off...
But how would The Captains handle it?
Kirk: Vaporize Hakeev because America. Have a laugh at Spock's expense with the bridge crew.
Picard: Moralize at Hakeev as he's being dragged off by Starfleet security. Forget it immediately as he flies off to the next person getting a speech from him.
Sisko: Wage total war against the RSE until Hakeev is crushed and the RSE is in ruins. He thinks he can live with that.
Janeway: Try to make friends until Hakeev puts Seven in the arena. Then she would bombard the planet until it was sterilized and fly off.
Archer: Sit in the corner confused, hugging his dog.
Bonus...
Sulu: Make Hakeev his FaceBook friend and send him pictures of kitties until Hakeev is nice.
As a Federation officer, you have burned down, without hesitation, aliens who got between you and scanning an oversized high-heeled shoe. Why would you have qualms about Hakeev?
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I will just say that after playing through Cutting the Cord, over a dozen times on Feds, couple of KDF and finally with a Romulan, it was pure delicious satisfaction to put that TRIBBLE. out of my misery. I've been wanting to do that since Cutting the Cord was first published.
i loved the end of this mission it was a great change to it n i hope to see more missions like this for my ROM or KDF for that matter. might redo this mission on KDF see if i chop his head of with my Bat'leth :P i wish
I will just say that after playing through Cutting the Cord, over a dozen times on Feds, couple of KDF and finally with a Romulan, it was pure delicious satisfaction to put that TRIBBLE. out of my misery. I've been wanting to do that since Cutting the Cord was first published.
"Revenge is a dish best served cold..."
Indeed, a well deserved end. My only gripe is that I didn't actually pull the trigger myself
While most of the responses are what I expected, and concur with. Yes I am a Romulan, he destroyed my colony and dozens of others, enslaved, killed, and not to mention the attempt to brainwash my character, it was justified.
And like others have pointed out, after playing this through three fed characters, I was half expecting the monologue at the end... it was an unexpected event.
I would like to ask these questions:
1. Why are the KDF characters not shooting him? Obisek does?
2. Any body play it as a Fed character? If so, is it still the same ending, just curious.
You are playing a Romulan, not a weak Fed type. Hakeev was a demented lunatic a rabid dog whos actions killed millions and brought his people to the brink of annihilation.
A rabid dog that got put down like a rabid dog. A Hitler of his particular story. Such people in fiction or fact deserve no mercy.
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I get what you mean, I'm from Germany (no death penalty either), but I see it that way: People love to go on and on about how capital punishment is barbaric, while maintaining armies. That's hypocrisy. The big problem with capital punishment isn't the killing. It's that you will always have witnesses who give false testimony , corrupt policemen who fake evidence and stupid judges who will make wrong decisions. And in the case of capital punishment such things can't be fixed.
Now in the case of Hakeev we (in the case of Romulan characters) have been witness and victim of his crimes, he has confessed to them, not under any form of interrogation, but while gloating. He's still doing it right before you shoot him. He hasn't surrendered either. In that case it's hard to argue against shooting him, in fact I guess most my Fed characters would have looked the other way when Obisek did it.
And if he had been sent to Facility 4028 he would have stayed there only as long as Taris.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
You bring up some interesting points, but lets remember, this isn't Germany, The UK or even the US. It is Star Trek. I am not saying up and shooting a guy is right or wrong, but it does keep with the morality as the Romulans see it. It is refreshing to see that they don't view things the same way as the Federation.
Much as I hate the guy, I have to admit, if my federation character up an just shot the guy, I would probably have a problem with it, especially since my understanding is the Federation does not have the death penalty. At the very least, Starfleet isn't going to permit an officer to just shoot someone.
But again, This isn't Starfleet, it is the Romulans. Heck in the episode where you infiltrate the Tal Shiar you up and "shoot" a prisoner for trying to escape. And pretty much no one bats an eye.
While one would expect a little more control from the Republic, I still don't see where up and ending the threat that is Hakeev is wrong from their standpoint.
The Romulans are a enigmatic, unknown race by their own choice and by lack of canonical information about them. The thing to remember about the them is that they are not humans. They aren't Federation. And they certainly aren't Vulcan. One should not try to judge their behavior against any of the group I mentioned.
Another think the poster alludes to is that all of that gloating and atrocities are witnessed first hand by your Romulan captain. Since Romulans are Vulcanoid, I think our Captains show a great deal of restraint in how we deal with Hakeev.
Pretty sure there's nothing cold-blooded about it. This is the guy who has, among other things, destroyed your colony, enslaved your friends and sold them to the Elachi, duped Taris into destroying the homeworld, kidnapped you and forced you to fight as a gladiator, and last but not least personally violated you mentally while you were a prisoner on his ship.
I'm pretty sure even a Vulcan would twice an eyebrow at that litany of abuse. For a Romulan... nope, I'm sure my Romulan toon's blood was right about at the boiling point when she pulled the trigger.
You MUST be a Fed! He's committed atrocities across half the quadrant that would make Genghis Khan go white faced and have to steady himself on the furniture... he's tried to brainwash you, corrupt you, kill you... DAMN RIGHT I vaporized his head!! Then breathed in the heady perfume of his timely demise... when I get my hands on Seela... her's won't be so quick! (and boiling Tal Shiar away in to space is even more satisfying than obliterating True Way fanatics!)... you Feds with your "oh let's bring them to justice"... you are such primitive children
As for starfleet they wouldnt bat an eye either because it is a romulan/reman matter and that hakeev is obiseks prisoner to do with as he pleases. federation involvment was an act of aliance building as well as responding to a threat to federation space by way of Hakeev unleashing the Iconians if his plans came to fruition. Aprove they may not but interfere they will not, and an aliance with New Romulas and the reman colony there is too great a prize to stop Obisek and risk losing.
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I think "not batting an eye" isn't quite right. Philosophically speaking, Obisek's actions go against Federation ideals. So I don't say them doing nothing, that said, it is unlikely they would actively do anything against Obisek. Personal/interal matter and all.
however, What the feds would do, isn't really the point of the OP, or what he is talking about. It is that as playing as a Romulan character, Obisek isn't the one that executes Hakeev, you as the player are.
But how would The Captains handle it?
Kirk: Vaporize Hakeev because America. Have a laugh at Spock's expense with the bridge crew.
Picard: Moralize at Hakeev as he's being dragged off by Starfleet security. Forget it immediately as he flies off to the next person getting a speech from him.
Sisko: Wage total war against the RSE until Hakeev is crushed and the RSE is in ruins. He thinks he can live with that.
Janeway: Try to make friends until Hakeev puts Seven in the arena. Then she would bombard the planet until it was sterilized and fly off.
Archer: Sit in the corner confused, hugging his dog.
Bonus...
Sulu: Make Hakeev his FaceBook friend and send him pictures of kitties until Hakeev is nice.
Destroyed your homeworld, making you into a refugee ala Nero
Then, once you finally settled down again on a new homeworld, he found and attacked that one.
Then he subjects you to brutal mind ****
And finally, you find out he's been selling your people to space fungi to be turned into plants.
Not to mention wanting to BRING BACK AN ALIEN EQUIVALENT OF A GREAT OLD ONE
Yeah, shooting him once is nice. If I had my way, I'd blow off each limb individually, then leave him to die when the ship nukes the gate
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"Revenge is a dish best served cold..."
Indeed, a well deserved end. My only gripe is that I didn't actually pull the trigger myself
While most of the responses are what I expected, and concur with. Yes I am a Romulan, he destroyed my colony and dozens of others, enslaved, killed, and not to mention the attempt to brainwash my character, it was justified.
And like others have pointed out, after playing this through three fed characters, I was half expecting the monologue at the end... it was an unexpected event.
I would like to ask these questions:
1. Why are the KDF characters not shooting him? Obisek does?
2. Any body play it as a Fed character? If so, is it still the same ending, just curious.
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A rabid dog that got put down like a rabid dog. A Hitler of his particular story. Such people in fiction or fact deserve no mercy.