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EPTA is busted. Can see people out to 30+ km.

snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
edited May 2013 in PvP Gameplay
Just a heads up for our cloaking buddies out there. :)
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  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This explains a lot. Battlecloak seemed to be even more of a deathtrap than before lately.
  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I bought this up during tribble, but I kept getting told "No it's just the math and the figures, it is working as intended." :rolleyes:
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    webdeath wrote: »
    I bought this up during tribble, but I kept getting told "No it's just the math and the figures, it is working as intended." :rolleyes:

    Ya they do a great job testing things... if you run it on your cloak though you cancel the effect out...

    My guess they added an extra 0 onto the end of there figures. lol

    This will get fixed... and I'll call it now... when people realize the Advanced cloaking rom with a EPTA up all the time has perfect cloak. lol
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  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited May 2013
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Ya they do a great job testing things... if you run it on your cloak though you cancel the effect out...

    My guess they added an extra 0 onto the end of there figures. lol

    This will get fixed... and I'll call it now... when people realize the Advanced cloaking rom with a EPTA up all the time has perfect cloak. lol

    My sci/reman - with a cloak skill rating with boffs + traits of around 800 and 120 in Aux power - i can sit on top of any ship and not be detected.

    one ship that I can see like its not even cloaked is the Adapted Tal Shiar Destroyer
  • darkfader1988darkfader1988 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    These whole Stealth and Stealth detection figures never made sense anyway, its time they got human readable. Perhaps something like '7-5km to 10km for detection' figures or something (Depending on how well the other guy is specced into sensors etc)

    Abilities should add +5km, +10km etc.

    Alot easer imo.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    maybe that means we actually have to spec stealth
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  • arxialarxial Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    A Kumari with 35 Aux power running EPtAux1 was able to spot a Mirror Qin with 0 points in stealth, console or otherwise, no Romulan bridge officer, @ 20k.

    Also, no. If anything, to spot a cloaked enemy the increments ought to be .5KM.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    arxial wrote: »
    A Kumari with 35 Aux power running EPtAux1 was able to spot a Mirror Qin with 0 points in stealth, console or otherwise, no Romulan bridge officer, @ 20k.

    Also, no. If anything, to spot a cloaked enemy the increments ought to be .5KM.

    lol. detecting a cloaked ship outside weapons range should be mathematically impossible.

    having, and using, a cloaking device is to much of a gimme in game. it would make the crybabies happier, and sorta be more balanced, that if you have a cloak you really need to have about 6 in stealth to safety use it the same way you could pre LoR.
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  • ashgrey77xashgrey77x Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    lol. detecting a cloaked ship outside weapons range should be mathematically impossible.

    having, and using, a cloaking device is to much of a gimme in game. it would make the crybabies happier, and sorta be more balanced, that if you have a cloak you really need to have about 6 in stealth to safety use it the same way you could pre LoR.

    I have a romulan with a romulan bridge crew and yesterday in Kerrat anybody who ran epta1 could see me at 20k+ no matter what. So I slotted epta1 and low and behold every klingon in visual range (25k) lit up like a beacon. Epta is broken the math is way off somewhere.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ashgrey77x wrote: »
    I have a romulan with a romulan bridge crew and yesterday in Kerrat anybody who ran epta1 could see me at 20k+ no matter what. So I slotted epta1 and low and behold every klingon in visual range (25k) lit up like a beacon. Epta is broken the math is way off somewhere.

    i used EPtA a lot pre LoR, and for 5 seconds every cloaked ship on the map did NOT show up like your describing now. rarely at point blank range i would see someone though. they definitely messed with something. it sounds like they are off by an entire decimal place here, like they are with borg npc unbuffed plasma torps. thats why they are harmless one minute, and 1 shot you out of nowhere the next.
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  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited May 2013
    ashgrey77x wrote: »
    I have a romulan with a romulan bridge crew and yesterday in Kerrat anybody who ran epta1 could see me at 20k+ no matter what. So I slotted epta1 and low and behold every klingon in visual range (25k) lit up like a beacon. Epta is broken the math is way off somewhere.

    It must be - today I got spotted by someone using it at 5km

    as I said earlier I am running 120 aux and 800 skill level is cloak with the reman/romulan traits and boff traits - I should be invisible to matter what unless I am right on top of a sci ship and they do a sensor scan.

    this is Fk'd - no more Pvp for me while this is broken - as I fly a sci torp Fleet T.varo torpboat - same set-up as my B'rel - you depend on cloak to survive.

    This better not be "working as intended" or cloak has been rendered useless by a ens boff power?? that is just nuts!
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If it's working like it was working (which means not working) on LoR, then it is a case of the math being broken.

    +1% Stealthsight = 50 Perception. (5000 * (1 + 0.01))...

    The 500,000 being added to SDR, when divided by 10,000 results in 50. It's supposed to +50 Perception. The problem is it is being added into the formula.

    Perception = 5000 * (1 + (SDR/10,0000)
    Perception = 5000 * (1 + (500,000/10,000)
    Perception = 5000 * (1 + 50)
    Perception = 5000 * 51
    OOPSIE!

    It should be adding 100 to SDR. 100/10,000 = 0.01 which is the +1%...

    The question was whether or not it was a display error or if it was actually resulting in the 5000 * 51.whatever to result in seeing cloaked players while playing other games cause the number would be so ridiculous.

    Something else to consider with the Romulan cloaks is how Singularity Charge affects them. @5 pips, I was losing ~400 Stealth Value. 1km/50 Stealth, means I was losing ~8km of Stealth @5 pips...
  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    As an anecdote, in KA space epta1 w/base of 15 (not sure what it is w/plas leech et al boosts) shows the boss while cloaked. Assuming this isn't supposed to happen. It's broken.

    Edit: I haven't tested w/another player as to what happens when 2 bc ships use etpa, ie is the stealth boost broken too.
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  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If you want to see how broken EPtAux currently is just join Kerrat in a BoP. Every ******n Fed Escort immediatly oneshots you via BO3 despite you being cloaked and miles away from them. It's like with the broken repulsors a few month ago. Everyone immediatly makes use of the exploit.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    eisenw0lf wrote: »
    If you want to see how broken EPtAux currently is just join Kerrat in a BoP. Every ******n Fed Escort immediatly oneshots you via BO3 despite you being cloaked and miles away from them. It's like with the broken repulsors a few month ago. Everyone immediatly makes use of the exploit.

    And then some of these same folks will whine like no tomorrow when this is fixed, thinking that they are 'good' players because they are abusing a broken mechanic to easily find and kill cloaked ships.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    And then some of these same folks will whine like no tomorrow when this is fixed, thinking that they are 'good' players because they are abusing a broken mechanic to easily find and kill cloaked ships.

    "Why Cryptic? Why did you nerf EPtA? It was finally working right? Why did you nerf it?"

    /cough

    Yeah, lol...I can see them complaining about it like any other broken thing that is fixed...oh, my bad...nerfed. :)
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    step 1, give everything battle cloak. step 2, make cloaks worthless lol
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  • pokersmith1pokersmith1 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Wasn't there a similar issue in tribble testing reworked eptx (epta) mechanism before?
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