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Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer

magniacapramagniacapra Member Posts: 544 Arc User
edited May 2013 in PvP Gameplay
Questions:
General Thoughts on it's performance for PvP - tac focused?

Is the cloak a battle cloak? Is it a module like on the Tac Escort or built into the ship?

RCS thrusters? It has a pretty terrible turn rate for an escort - do the new turn mechanics solve this?

Is it just me or isn't this ship missing a fighter bay?

I'm looking at the Jem escort carrier and it just seems to be a better ship to this one in almost every useful way... If only photonic officer wasn't so terrible...

Can you use the consoles (including the warp core) on all ships?

Hmmmm
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Well at the least, the cloak is built-in, and is just a normal cloak. I don't have either of the new ships, so don't know the answers to the rest of your questions.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The big question for me is the exotic particle damage from the 3 piece. We're seeing a lot of that with LoR, most notably the Sci career trait, and there's a doff or two as well.

    Is it enough for a specialized sciscort build in the destroyer? IDK yet, but it's one of the more interesting possibilities from this update.
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I've not really done more than glance at this ship, but it looks to me like a very PvE focused ship.


    CMD Tac / Tac Ensign covers most of the required bases to run cannons w/ TT.

    Ltc Sci adds heals or a bit of utility (gw, usually)

    2x Lt Uni leaves some flexibility to customize, but not too much. You can go 2x Eng for survivability.

    Nearly the same hull and shield mod as the Fleet Vorcha, with 1 point better turn and better inertia (0.18 vs. 0.15).

    4/3 weapon load.

    Maybe I'm too focused on the type of ships that fit my playstyle, but at the moment I'm not seeing too much potential for this ship in PvP. If it had Ltc Eng and 2x Lt Uni, I think it would have had some excellent space as an Aux to Batts platform.





    The one thing that gets me with all of these hybrids "destroyers" and "battle cruisers" is how many weapons they get.

    Breen Chel Grett Warship is a destroyer, but it has 8 weapons.

    Vet ship is a destroyer, but it has 7 weapons.

    JHHEC is a heavy escort, but for all design purposes has more in common with these destroyers (by hull/turn), 7 weapons.

    Etc.
  • shar487ashar487a Member Posts: 1,292 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    How well does the adapted destroyer work in combat given its bonus hull regen, sensor analysis, and shrapnel torpedo console / launcher? Yes, its turn rate blows, but will it still be PVP-viable with the right build?
  • arxialarxial Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Ens+Cmdr. Tactical? Eh, okay. Lt.Cmdr. Sci + 2x Uni Lts. is interesting, presents a number of possible setups. The console, and torpedo, are actually pretty terrible. They effects are okay, but compared to, ah, a basic Mogai, I'd take the Mogai.

    Also: lulz @ AuxtoBatt, terrible.
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    arxial wrote: »
    Also: lulz @ AuxtoBatt, terrible.


    I'm curious what is terrible about:

    > Double tap BO + DEM at max global CD
    > RSP at max global CD
    > APO, CRF & TT at max global CD
    > Perfect chain of 2 EPTx powers


    Sure, it doesn't work for every build or role but for the handful of specific ships it does work for, it works extremely well.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    its another terrible ship that would become pretty good with 2 AtB. got to love AtB, bringing crummy ships out of obscurity. my kamarang, with a 10.5 base turn rate, with 3 turn consoles can get 40 turn rate, so this ship with enough turn consoles can be cured of its worst escort turn rate ever syndrome
  • magniacapramagniacapra Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I kinda get the feeling that all new ships are now designed with aux to bat in mind.... :/
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Has anyone gotten the Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser yet?

    I got one myself, and while it's fun to fly the Narada-I mean...Borgified D'deridex, it feels...kind of short.

    I mean, the Cmdr Uni is good, because like the Recluse, that gives it some major options.

    Like running it as a tac, to allow for fun stuff such as CRF 3, or APO 3, or something similar.

    Or run it with a sci, to have it be an almost-a-sci ship situation.

    Or have an engineer in that slot, run it like a more normal cruiser/healer.



    That's all well and good, but if you are looking at that, the Recluse is the superior option, mostly because it has the two hangar bays to let you run pets of your choice. I'm not saying it can't be a good ship, more that, as I see it atm, it's simply outclassed by other things.

    Haven't tried the console out, but wouldn't mind giving it a shot, see how much of a cheese console it is or not, maybe find out if it's buffed by tac buffs and all that fun stuff.



    Mostly been flying around in the normal PvE fare with it, getting used to flying it atm. Using an A2B build until I decide what I feel like doing with it.


    PS. I REALLY hope to get the Adapted Destroyer one day for the Shrapnel torpedo.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?

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  • magniacapramagniacapra Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This ship is viable for PvP, it may even be good - haven't decided.


    You may have seen me flying around as Dominic, here are my pilots notes:
    - Aux to batt saves this thing
    - The torpedo is trash, have barely used it
    - How does sensor analysis rate amongst you all? With all the placate TRIBBLE it's been hard to see whether it's actually doing much.
    - Currently running with 100 aux and 117 weapons power before eptw and epts and aux to batt - lol
    - With epte, it powerslides all over the place, it's inertia is way over the top
    - The model seems too large, longer than a recluse, the thing is gigantic compared to defiant and must frighten the **** out of people when I uncloak in their faces.
    - I have no idea what the cloaking ability relative strength is, with some people even running high aux, I can fly cloaked 1km away from someone, other times they can spot me at 10km - did a patch change cloaking today or something?
    - I still think it's missing something, it takes an absurd amount of punishment compared to the JHEC but lt comm sci doesn't mesh well with escorts or aux2bat.
    - Both can run two different EPT's on 100% up time but the JHEC will have everything on global although I do have half aux on the Destroyer for half the time and things like apo and tts are about 5 seconds away from hitting global cool downs.
    - The thing feels like it should be a carrier, or escort carrier or have a battlecloak or aux cannons *something* to justify it's inertia problems and annoying pivot point. Maybe I should be happy dual cannons can fit on this thing at all?
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,415 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Remember how pre-LoR tribble beta testing we noticed that EPtAux was giving people a billion stealth sight?

    Yeah, Cryptic never fixed that.
  • magniacapramagniacapra Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I would just like to add that this ship +EPtE is the power sliding champion.

    CHAMPION.
  • rudiefix1rudiefix1 Member Posts: 420
    edited May 2013
    Ehrm..... Am I seeing things differently?

    Forget the cloak, run it like the vet ship, but improved version. it has sci LTC. Even better: run it as an improved karmarag!

    3x DHC, 1x DBB
    3 turrets

    Omega deflector
    Omega engine
    Maco shield
    Hypercore with W->E

    TT1
    BO1, APD1, CRF2, APO3

    EptE1, AtoB1
    EptS1, AtoB1

    HE1, ???, VM1

    3x technician, 2x VM system engineer

    etc, etc,
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    @rudiefix Feds: Rudiefix / Thron / Opa
    @rudiefix KDFs: Lill / Xifeidur / Dehr / Ugly
    @rudiefix Roms (KDF alligned): Chicita
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