Soooo, now that we have confirmed stats on ships and consoles, we know we can make a nasty torp T`varo henceforth named (and I thank Virusdancer for this) Torpvaro and Beam Overload Mogais, henceforth named Bogais.
What im wondering about is how vialbe these two ships in particular is going to be in actual pvp. Will people use them as mainstay, maybe use the other romie ships, or will players still be using bug/timeship combos still?
Im checking the waters here among the folks, and im wondering what people are thinking.
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I don't see anything to match a Wells, especially because of the power issue. Does a battle cloak really help a science ship in team PvP?
If people come up with cute singularity tricks, the TVaros and Mogais might be pretty competitive.
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Gonna be all kindsa people doin' all kindsa craaaaazzeeeee things.
As for Jem bugs, I have one still in a crate. Not bringing it out for my Romulan/Reman toon.
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I don't see anything to match a Wells, especially because of the power issue. Does a battle cloak really help a science ship in team PvP?
If people come up with cute singularity tricks, the TVaros and Mogais might be pretty competitive.
Power issues isnt that significant. Were talking ~30 less then fed/klink ships, which isnt that much. And the D`helan can be very potent and can cloak away if focused too much.
And yes! I bet people will be using lots of nasty singularity combos which will make these ships exciting... but question is: Will they be practical?
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I doubt I'll PvP with my Romulan. Too much resources spent on my fed tac and kdf. Trying to get my fed sci with better gear. I'm also planning on going with an Engineer with a cruiser warbird. For the sake of novelty. I already have a b'rel torp boat...don't need another one.
My BO+HY spike Hohsus build will transfer perfectley to the Mogai and gain 1 more boff ability, can't wait. It has the same amount of tac I use on it, and with the lt Uni as sci you can run a tractor and still have 2 sci heals, and perfect layout. I was already going to do my Hohsus build on it, and now finding out about the consoles is just icing on the cake.
I can transfer my tac B'rel torp boat build mostly over to the T'varo, it will be fun taking that into FvF since one reason feds avoid Fvk and stay in FvF is to avoid BOP.
The D'Deridex I also plan on using, probably with an aux2bat build.
I probably will just use those 3 ships for now, and try others in a month or 2.
edit: Nvm, found the doff. But i dont find it that siginficant.
you can stack BO with its resistance to drain for 8 seconds, when you use DEM. the BOgai has built in energy drain reduction with the 2 consoles, and all tier 5 birds have a singularity power that buffs energy weapons. im not sure if its a passive buff to damage, or more of an ability, but firing that and 2 BO3s in that 8 second window should be lulz.
you can stack BO with its resistance to drain for 8 seconds, when you use DEM. the BOgai has built in energy drain reduction with the 2 consoles, and all tier 5 birds have a singularity power that buffs energy weapons. im not sure if its a passive buff to damage, or more of an ability, but firing that and 2 BO3s in that 8 second window should be lulz.
Thought you couldnt use any weapon enhancing boff abilties when that singularity power which powers weapons is on. Or?
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Thought you couldnt use any weapon enhancing boff abilties when that singularity power which powers weapons is on. Or?
The Over blocks out respective weapon abilities until it finishes. There's an issue I'm not they've addressed where if you use a weapon ability first, you can hit the Over...but it doesn't trigger until the other wears off - meaning you could waste the Over.
Thought you couldnt use any weapon enhancing boff abilties when that singularity power which powers weapons is on. Or?
after they wiped my tier 4 character, i never bothered leveling back to cap to see the tier 5 skill. i just assume it can be used in combination in there some how
after they wiped my tier 4 character, i never bothered leveling back to cap to see the tier 5 skill. i just assume it can be used in combination in there some how
I personally cannot fathom how the Torpvaro won't be the only thing we see after 4 months. And by "see" I of course mean not.
EBC with a torp console to boot? run all Aux and Engines so the less power means nothing, cloak to your heart's content firing torps like mad.....on a T1 shipyard ship?
I personally cannot fathom how the Torpvaro won't be the only thing we see after 4 months. And by "see" I of course mean not.
EBC with a torp console to boot? run all Aux and Engines so the less power means nothing, cloak to your heart's content firing torps like mad.....on a T1 shipyard ship?
I smell something coming....and it smells like
Burning Hatred
And a big fat nerf.
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But one of the Singularity cores gives you +20% critical severity when it is active.
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I personally cannot fathom how the Torpvaro won't be the only thing we see after 4 months. And by "see" I of course mean not.
EBC with a torp console to boot? run all Aux and Engines so the less power means nothing, cloak to your heart's content firing torps like mad.....on a T1 shipyard ship?
For real fun, add in the Nukara stuff on Tribble. You can fire torps and activate the tachyon chain thing before they hit, which basically takes out a facing. Without de-cloaking, mind you.
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But one of the Singularity cores gives you +20% critical severity when it is active.
We don't know all the different types of Singularity Cores that will be available...are folks going to BC, OOC, and switch them depending on what they're doing? Heh, probably...folks will carry multiple cores just like carrying multiple other stuff too..
...wish there was more info on the Singularity Cores.
Curious if they are going to Rep/Fleet them up too...
We don't know all the different types of Singularity Cores that will be available...are folks going to BC, OOC, and switch them depending on what they're doing? Heh, probably...folks will carry multiple cores just like carrying multiple other stuff too..
...wish there was more info on the Singularity Cores.
Curious if they are going to Rep/Fleet them up too...
i just hope a nice selection shows up in the fleet store, so i can see whats really available and what all they do. im still clueless about them
i just hope a nice selection shows up in the fleet store, so i can see whats really available and what all they do. im still clueless about them
Outside of the stuff in the Dil Store or the Duel Injection, I haven't seen anybody going oooh, ahhh about any sort of S-Core drop. The very few I've seen are garbage commons or uncommons.
Weapons
Fore - EF Disruptor DBB, 2x EF Disruptor DHC, Bio-Molecular Torp
Aft - 2x EF Disruptor Turrets, Cutting Beam
Consoles
Tac - 4x Induction Coils, Borg
Eng - Tachyo, Shield Absorptive, Neut
Sci - 0Point, Leech
It's not my normal "pretty" colors and TRIBBLE stuff, cause it's a sleepy thought process sort of thing...
Tet Glider
Shield Absorptive proc shield drain/shield heal
EF Disruptors shield damage reduction debuff/hull resistance debuff (disruptor double)
Enhanced Shield Penetration additional 2.5% bleedthrough from directed energy weapons
Leech power drain
I had been dorking around with a mix of Refracting/Piercing Tet over on Tribble, but they "nerfed" the R-Tets. The bounce was just under the damage of the main hit, but it's now just under half the damage of the main hit.
I didn't want to post this in the other cloak thread where I mentioned some of the Rom console stuff...but that thread and the various threads discussing Rep stuff and how things have changed/are changing - just got me thinking.
I mean, aside from the shield/hull stuff here - consider the following, eh?
Sensor Targeting Assault
KHG Shields
Crippling Fire Trait (target Acc debuff on Crtis, can 3stack)
One could say things have been silly...it's kind of getting sad, hrmmm...
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im going to be using all of them, and rotating through fairly often. really looking forward to them
If people come up with cute singularity tricks, the TVaros and Mogais might be pretty competitive.
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As for Jem bugs, I have one still in a crate. Not bringing it out for my Romulan/Reman toon.
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Power issues isnt that significant. Were talking ~30 less then fed/klink ships, which isnt that much. And the D`helan can be very potent and can cloak away if focused too much.
And yes! I bet people will be using lots of nasty singularity combos which will make these ships exciting... but question is: Will they be practical?
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It's when you consider the possibilities mixed in with what's out there already...that I think the complaints will come roaring in.
I uh, decided not to type what I was thinking about some of the possibilities.
I have enough lockbox ships KDF side for when the need arises.
I am just going to have some fun with these awesome looking ships.
bogai +singularity overcharge+maron+AtB+2xBO3
lulz
maron?
Prey tell me this.
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I guess he means Marion Frances Dulmur?
Which still tells me squat....
edit: Nvm, found the doff. But i dont find it that siginficant.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
I can transfer my tac B'rel torp boat build mostly over to the T'varo, it will be fun taking that into FvF since one reason feds avoid Fvk and stay in FvF is to avoid BOP.
The D'Deridex I also plan on using, probably with an aux2bat build.
I probably will just use those 3 ships for now, and try others in a month or 2.
you can stack BO with its resistance to drain for 8 seconds, when you use DEM. the BOgai has built in energy drain reduction with the 2 consoles, and all tier 5 birds have a singularity power that buffs energy weapons. im not sure if its a passive buff to damage, or more of an ability, but firing that and 2 BO3s in that 8 second window should be lulz.
all that damage in one decloak buffed boat such a waste of damage to overkill factor 3
i dont use the marion doff. that goes to far imo
Thought you couldnt use any weapon enhancing boff abilties when that singularity power which powers weapons is on. Or?
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
The Over blocks out respective weapon abilities until it finishes. There's an issue I'm not they've addressed where if you use a weapon ability first, you can hit the Over...but it doesn't trigger until the other wears off - meaning you could waste the Over.
Technically though, if you wait...
BO#1
BO#2
BO#3
Over...
BO#4
Would be interesting to test that out...
after they wiped my tier 4 character, i never bothered leveling back to cap to see the tier 5 skill. i just assume it can be used in combination in there some how
Over locks them out.
EBC with a torp console to boot? run all Aux and Engines so the less power means nothing, cloak to your heart's content firing torps like mad.....on a T1 shipyard ship?
I smell something coming....and it smells like
Burning Hatred
And a big fat nerf.
PaxOttomana: gawd mirror event is like fighting a tsi premade, they keep comin and comin!
But one of the Singularity cores gives you +20% critical severity when it is active.
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For real fun, add in the Nukara stuff on Tribble. You can fire torps and activate the tachyon chain thing before they hit, which basically takes out a facing. Without de-cloaking, mind you.
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We don't know all the different types of Singularity Cores that will be available...are folks going to BC, OOC, and switch them depending on what they're doing? Heh, probably...folks will carry multiple cores just like carrying multiple other stuff too..
...wish there was more info on the Singularity Cores.
Curious if they are going to Rep/Fleet them up too...
i just hope a nice selection shows up in the fleet store, so i can see whats really available and what all they do. im still clueless about them
Outside of the stuff in the Dil Store or the Duel Injection, I haven't seen anybody going oooh, ahhh about any sort of S-Core drop. The very few I've seen are garbage commons or uncommons.
Fleet Ha'feh w/ Reman Tac Captain
Traits - yeah, not enough caffeine for this part
Reputation
New Rom - Precision, Sensor Targeting Assault, Quantum Singularity Manipulation
Nukara - Enhanced Shield Penetration, Aux Power Config - Offense, Refracting Tetryon Cascade
Omega - Omega Weapon Training, Superior Shield Repair
TT1, BO2, APO1, APO3
TT1, THY2, CRF2
EPtS1, AtS1
EPtW1
TSS1, HE2
DOFFs - 2x SDO(BFI), 3x DCE(EPtX)
Deflector - Omega
Impulse - Omega
Singularity - something
Shields - KHG
Weapons
Fore - EF Disruptor DBB, 2x EF Disruptor DHC, Bio-Molecular Torp
Aft - 2x EF Disruptor Turrets, Cutting Beam
Consoles
Tac - 4x Induction Coils, Borg
Eng - Tachyo, Shield Absorptive, Neut
Sci - 0Point, Leech
It's not my normal "pretty" colors and TRIBBLE stuff, cause it's a sleepy thought process sort of thing...
Tet Glider
Shield Absorptive proc shield drain/shield heal
EF Disruptors shield damage reduction debuff/hull resistance debuff (disruptor double)
Enhanced Shield Penetration additional 2.5% bleedthrough from directed energy weapons
Leech power drain
I had been dorking around with a mix of Refracting/Piercing Tet over on Tribble, but they "nerfed" the R-Tets. The bounce was just under the damage of the main hit, but it's now just under half the damage of the main hit.
I didn't want to post this in the other cloak thread where I mentioned some of the Rom console stuff...but that thread and the various threads discussing Rep stuff and how things have changed/are changing - just got me thinking.
I mean, aside from the shield/hull stuff here - consider the following, eh?
Sensor Targeting Assault
KHG Shields
Crippling Fire Trait (target Acc debuff on Crtis, can 3stack)
One could say things have been silly...it's kind of getting sad, hrmmm...