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azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
edited May 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Warriors of the Empire, after waiting 3 years for content, we finally got our requests answered - new storyline content.

I have good news, and I got bad news.


The good news, is that we got several new missions with the First Arc (the Tutorial) and two more new missions between the Fek'lhri Invasion and Alpha.

The bad, is that Cryptic didn't respect us enough to create new missions (outside the tutorial) and instead just copied and pasted Federation storylines, which they could've done 3 years ago when we first asked.



I for one am disappointed, we are nothing but the Federation hand-me-downs. Seems if we want anything decent for storylines, we have to rely on ourselves in making them in the Foundry and relying not Cryptic.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I will look over the missions anyways. To see what the rewards are. Other than that. I might do them anyways since you get decent loot out of them.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I've played the first four new missions with the tutorial and they seem new to me and not copied Federation missions at all. Plus they have revamped several of the older missions like Bringing Down the House.

    To me it seems like they have put more than a little effort into it, these new missions really make me feel like I am playing the KDF and not the Federation. Plus they are fun and exciting with a bit of humour thrown in for the fun of it. I'd have to say that these missions are some of the best I have played in-game and I have played the closed beta Romulan missions as well a few weeks back.

    Am I missing something here? I know in the Cardassian Arc they are copy and paste Federation missions, to be expected and I am like others hoping they are only placeholders and they will continue replacing these missions down the line in later seasons with new KDF unique missions same with the FE.
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  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I've played the first four new missions with the tutorial and they seem new to me and not copied Federation missions at all. Plus they have revamped several of the older missions like Bringing Down the House.

    Never said all the new missions was copied Federation jobs. The Tutorial is a given it's not, but the later content is.

    And the only revamp in Brinning down the House was them adding some decoration in Torg's house. (Ironically, his throne room is very empty).
    To me it seems like they have put more than a little effort into it, these new missions really make me feel like I am playing the KDF and not the Federation. Plus they are fun and exciting with a bit of humour thrown in for the fun of it. I'd have to say that these missions are some of the best I have played in-game and I have played the closed beta Romulan missions as well a few weeks back.

    Am I missing something here? I know in the Cardassian Arc they are copy and paste Federation missions, to be expected and I am like others hoping they are only placeholders and they will continue replacing these missions down the line in later seasons with new KDF unique missions same with the FE.

    Compared to the Federation missions I agree, they are funner. Like going to Grethor, everytime I play it, it feels like we are in a classic MMO than Star Trek. But not sure why they couldn't invent new missions at later stages.

    For an example, instead of rehashing the Cardassian missions, why not have an Arc about the Gorn and taking us to the Gorn homeworld? Or dwelling more into the Melani D'ian and her plot.


    It's like Klingons were dogs getting scraps from the table, instead of the prime rib that they were promised.
  • voicesdarkvoicesdark Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This may seem like a really stupid question, but as someone that could never get into playing a Klingon, are you serious there are no Gorn missions or a map of the gorn homeworld???

    Feds got Bajor for the 2800 series...why the hell didn't you Klingons get the Gorn Homeworld? Do Klingons even have a secondary social zone/hub?
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    voicesdark wrote: »
    This may seem like a really stupid question, but as someone that could never get into playing a Klingon, are you serious there are no Gorn missions or a map of the gorn homeworld???

    Feds got Bajor for the 2800 series...why the hell didn't you Klingons get the Gorn Homeworld? Do Klingons even have a secondary social zone/hub?


    The only other social hub that has the facilities worth going to is Ganalda station as it used to be the PvP hub back in the day. K-7 used to be the counterpart to it.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I like how they have rewritten House Pursued, House on Fire and tutorials to give them a KDFesque feel and gameplay.

    I see the fact that they did not just copypaste fed material untweaked as a good sign, not disrespect since they obviously did not have to do anything at all.
    Its not perfect but it aint half bad iether.
    Its a finish to our missing low level gameplay and if it proves good enough to encrease KDF gameplay it could.very well lead to even more content, like Gorn rebellion and focus, Orion plans within plans as allies of the Empire and more.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Never said all the new missions was copied Federation jobs. The Tutorial is a given it's not, but the later content is.

    And the only revamp in Brinning down the House was them adding some decoration in Torg's house. (Ironically, his throne room is very empty).



    Compared to the Federation missions I agree, they are funner. Like going to Grethor, everytime I play it, it feels like we are in a classic MMO than Star Trek. But not sure why they couldn't invent new missions at later stages.

    For an example, instead of rehashing the Cardassian missions, why not have an Arc about the Gorn and taking us to the Gorn homeworld? Or dwelling more into the Melani D'ian and her plot.


    It's like Klingons were dogs getting scraps from the table, instead of the prime rib that they were promised.

    We all knew about the Cardassian copy and paste missions, that news is rather old dating back months now.

    From my understanding they were designed to fill holes in the level progression and they choose the missions they thought would work best for the KDF. I am no defending this decision at all and I am hoping they are only placeholders and as Roach said if this new content we got brings in more KDF players then in future seasons I am hoping these placeholders and the FE missions are replaced with true KDF designed missions.

    They are after all advertising that they have 3 full factions available at level 1 as a players first character and having all unique missions for each faction will go a long way to enforcing this. I'd also like to see some end-game zones unique to faction sometime down the line. Would make running a character in each faction more worthwhile as there would be a huge chunk of content that you'd be missing out on if you didn't.

    In any case we are in a better position than we were 3 months ago and looking at the quality of the new content it's great and I hope they continue this adding new missions each season along with whatever else they feel they need to. Probably more rep grinding unfortunately.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    zipagat wrote: »
    The only other social hub that has the facilities worth going to is Ganalda station as it used to be the PvP hub back in the day. K-7 used to be the counterpart to it.

    Yeah. KDF has Qo'noS and Ganalda.

    Federation has ESD, K7, DS9 (accessible by KDF but a real pain to do it unless you hang around it all the time), and Bajor as areas that provide services. Drozana is an equally-accessible station by both factions, I feel. Federation also has Risa and Andoria as 'social hangouts'. Wouldn't be surprised if they got Vulcan as openly-accessible at some point, and other planets in the Sirius and Regulus block.

    I don't particularly care for social zones, though other KDF players might. I WOULD like more service areas, though. Qo'noS is nice and all, but having a 2nd area in the Omega Leonis block would be nice. Or, at the very least, put a boff trainer and ground-supplies NPC onto Ganalda and make it into a 100% service station.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Yeah. KDF has Qo'noS and Ganalda.

    Yep, that's pretty much it.
    Federation has ESD, K7, DS9 (accessible by KDF but a real pain to do it unless you hang around it all the time), and Bajor as areas that provide services. Drozana is an equally-accessible station by both factions, I feel. Federation also has Risa and Andoria as 'social hangouts'. Wouldn't be surprised if they got Vulcan as openly-accessible at some point, and other planets in the Sirius and Regulus block.

    You forgot Starbase 39-Sierra, my favourite on the Fed. side.
    Also, Vulcan is openly accessible to Federation players at any time they wish to visit.
    What the Fed. ground social zones like Vulcan, Risa & Andoria lack is acess to certain services like banking/exchange/mail/etc. like Bajor has. At their current state they only have acess to discount vendors for certain items that originate from the said planet and are pretty much usefull only for RP players and even that is a rare sight from my experience.

    Also the KDF access to DS9 and especially to Bajor seems ridiculous for me. Always has. The Klingon Empire and the Federation are at war and yet Bajor, a world member of the United Federation of Planets, allows KDF troops to land and have jumja sticks in their capital. :confused: :rolleyes:
    I don't particularly care for social zones, though other KDF players might. I WOULD like more service areas, though. Qo'noS is nice and all, but having a 2nd area in the Omega Leonis block would be nice. Or, at the very least, put a boff trainer and ground-supplies NPC onto Ganalda and make it into a 100% service station.

    Having access to Ty'Gokor as another social zone in Omega Leonis would be awesome to have. Also what we really need is a social zone that is a foothold in the Cardassian sectors. Didn't the KDF annex some systems there in DS9? So finally we can ditch Bajor and DS9 and make a bit more sense being at war and all.

    Also I have been asking the devs. to make Rura Penthe (as well as Andoria for that matter) more usefull as a social zone with using some of the assets from Q's Winter Wonderland like ice-skating, snowball fights between players for symbolic awards like EC and such.
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  • fransiscosfransiscos Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2013
    We also get a combat puppy.:D
  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Well, as the Cardassians can't be bothered with Empok Nor, then why isn't this given as another Klink hangout?
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ironmako wrote: »
    Well, as the Cardassians can't be bothered with Empok Nor, then why isn't this given as another Klink hangout?

    Last time I checked

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mission:_The_Long_Night

    the True Way was sitting there.:)
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The way I understand it, all 3 factions have unique content for the first 20 levels, followed by Temporal Ambassador, some of the FE series and than share (but presumably faction adapted) former Fed unique missions in the Cardassian sector.

    So basically no faction has unique content anymore after level 20.
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  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    timelord79 wrote: »
    The way I understand it, all 3 factions have unique content for the first 20 levels, followed by Temporal Ambassador, some of the FE series and than share (but presumably faction adapted) former Fed unique missions in the Cardassian sector.

    So basically no faction has unique content anymore after level 20.

    I would have to look at this again, but this is not entirely correct. Level 1-20 (a la pre-Temporal Ambassador) is unique yes. Obviously Temporal Ambassador itself is not. You then have the Nimbus mission arc, which is roughly 20-25. Again, not unique. After that, and I will have to look at the Klingon Episode list again to confirm this outright, Levels 25 to approximately 35-40, which should bring you up to the Cloaked intentions FE (though it might actually be the Spectres FE for Klingons and Romulans) is all unique content. After that, it is all agnostic, non-unique content.

    Edit: Ok, I looked at the KDF mission list again. and it looks like it is set up a little differently then the other two. So there are no missions between the Nimbus arc and the Romulan FEs, which begin the agnostic content. So for the KDF, yes it looks like 20-50 are all agonistic content. Will have to actually count the missions to see how many this actually translates in terms of unique missions vs the other factions.
  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's a start for sure. I've been plugging at Tribble and will do some more today.

    All thats done has brought the KDF faction up to a base line.

    Or to put it another way.

    It'll do, for now. Still need costume/uniform love. There is still a lot that the KDF faction could use to improve the factions dsirability. Ability to level from starting character will make a dfifference though how much a difference has yet to be seen. Little or no additional content is likely to hit beyond what is currently on tribble. With 8 days to go before the release deadline it's all bug stomp and band-aid time.

    I am pleased with what the expansion has brought to the KDF. Hopefully seeing that this is *ehem* not season 8, I will assume that the previous statements will hold true and that season 8 will STILL be a KDF season as previously stated.

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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's a start for sure. I've been plugging at Tribble and will do some more today.

    All thats done has brought the KDF faction up to a base line.

    Or to put it another way.

    It'll do, for now. Still need costume/uniform love. There is still a lot that the KDF faction could use to improve the factions dsirability. Ability to level from starting character will make a dfifference though how much a difference has yet to be seen. Little or no additional content is likely to hit beyond what is currently on tribble. With 8 days to go before the release deadline it's all bug stomp and band-aid time.

    I am pleased with what the expansion has brought to the KDF. Hopefully seeing that this is *ehem* not season 8, I will assume that the previous statements will hold true and that season 8 will STILL be a KDF season as previously stated.

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    You forgot to mention something very important: you were right.
    There was more to this than the Romulans.
    There are new Klingon-specific mission in this.
    The "bye-bye KDF" bunch was wrong.:)
  • tarsudotarsudo Member Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    ...
    The "bye-bye KDF" bunch was wrong.:)

    you have the point!! with this new "refresh" is very exciting begin a kdf character... conspiracy, spies, petaQ!! etc at the beginning is really nice:):)
  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Its a strong first step towards parity. And it goes a long way, considering any new player does not have to play Fed from the start - this will be less of a re-hash for new blood.

    I'm still a touch miffed we don't get to see a much stronger presentation of the Undine involvement and the Federation war - it remains a mostly unexplained backdrop.

    That said, there could be some ground work in the Tutorial laid to explain our reasons for working closely with MACO in the Omega Force taskforce, if they tie Drake in and scatter growing signs that there are more important goings on than merely a factional war in the quadrant.



    My biggest complaint?


    LEARN TO HIRE A REAL VO PRODUCER/DIRECTOR, TALENT, AND AUDIO ENGINEER.


    Seriously, overmodulation from bad recordings and campy VO performances from what sounds like people in the office are almost (almost) worse than no VOs at all.


    EDIT: Oh and the main reason this gets under my skin (aside from my profession) is the fact the Romulan VO work is *clearly* better done, and leaves the impression it was professionally done with better funding than the KDF stuff... glad to have it - just wish it was good. ;-)
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  • starsvoidstarsvoid Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    voicesdark wrote: »
    This may seem like a really stupid question, but as someone that could never get into playing a Klingon, are you serious there are no Gorn missions or a map of the gorn homeworld???

    Feds got Bajor for the 2800 series...why the hell didn't you Klingons get the Gorn Homeworld? Do Klingons even have a secondary social zone/hub?

    IIRC, the Gorn Homeworld was supposed to be Season 8's featured series, but it got pre-empted by the Legacy of Romulus event.
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jnohd wrote: »

    I'm still a touch miffed we don't get to see a much stronger presentation of the Undine involvement and the Federation war - it remains a mostly unexplained backdrop.

    Honestly, This is the one sad note for me. The whole reason for throwing out the Khitomer accords and starting this stupid war, was the Klingon's desire to protect the quadrant from the Undine threat. And to my knowledge, we have still yet to hunt down one of those dishonorable buggers.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Its not too late. Add a few well placed slips of the Undine shapechanging disquise in a few of the low level KDF missions when talking to certain NPCs or in cutscenes. Do it with the fed NPCs and you provoke the " Oh <curse> Undine in the UFP" KDF fed war concept. Add a few Undine fed corruption missions in the low level to start the solo players learning about it. Finosh the storyline with the player in the 30-40s range doing missions that swings the player mindset toward a " not every foe is an Undine and we are all being played" revelation moment and the urge the player into the very much crossfaction play missions and STFs. Throw a few KDF Undine STFs in and viola.

    Though I would love to one day see mission arcs about the other KDF races.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Honestly, This is the one sad note for me. The whole reason for throwing out the Khitomer accords and starting this stupid war, was the Klingon's desire to protect the quadrant from the Undine threat. And to my knowledge, we have still yet to hunt down one of those dishonorable buggers.

    Yes. Our grand campaign of glory has never been realized. STO needs an Undine hunt.
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Yes. Our grand campaign of glory has never been realized. STO needs an Undine hunt.

    Well, the Klingon inefficiency against shapeshifters is well-known, since DS9.:D
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Well, the Klingon inefficiency against shapeshifters is well-known, since DS9.:D

    We've seem to have gotten better since then. Ask the Gorn, besides the Undine are not the shapechangers of Odo's race. Maybe they smell funny?

    I still think the idea of a Undine STF arc would be cool addition to the game and offer both a different PoV from the Klingon perspective and and an excellent for the Devs to give us look into how the Undine fit into the Iconians plans of domination.
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  • branmakmorrnbranmakmorrn Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jnohd wrote: »

    My biggest complaint?


    LEARN TO HIRE A REAL VO PRODUCER/DIRECTOR, TALENT, AND AUDIO ENGINEER.

    You want better VO? How about some Tim Russ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RKd8fRPehg

    Or maybe Jeffrey Combs?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsPtqtYc-ns

    G'head. Be jealous.
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited May 2013
    Bah ... Give me John de Lancie
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  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    Bah ... Give me John de Lancie




    Very well.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke_AkJC92IA&feature=player_detailpage#t=11s


    I'd like a scene like this in a mission.
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  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shpoks wrote: »



    Also the KDF access to DS9 and especially to Bajor seems ridiculous for me. Always has. The Klingon Empire and the Federation are at war and yet Bajor, a world member of the United Federation of Planets, allows KDF troops to land and have jumja sticks in their capital. :confused: :rolleyes:


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    Yes finally! ^^^
    Either bring a end to this pointless war with every faction against every faction in the alpha quadrant. or fix something. But don't have kdf fed and rommies holding hands and singing campfire song's then be shooting the heck out of each other the same day, rinse and repeat.
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  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Overall, I like the progress.

    Though, I wouldn't object to a KDF version of the Fed's Diplomatic Orders. Under a more Klingon name, of course.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    psiameese wrote: »
    Overall, I like the progress.

    Though, I wouldn't object to a KDF version of the Fed's Diplomatic Orders. Under a more Klingon name, of course.
    qa'meH quv in All the Wrong Places? Where it's the player actually tracking down and trying to convince the Starfleet courier ship that the Vulcan Ambassador isn't who he seems to be.

    If it were me as the player for KDF content it would take place somewhere after the feds do their damage. Been a long time since I played thru it all but it would all link up to where the player in the fed ship and a bunch of npc klingon ships go to destroy the enemy ship. I would just expect a KDF version to not just be cut and paste and actually flow as the point of a KDF captain.
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