Just like the title says, it would be super awesome if we could get a playable Cardassian race, or actually if we could eventually get more playable races in the future. I'm really looking forward to the Romulan expansion.. Anxious for more
if you want my opinion i dont really see that happening.cardassians are a ds9 thing.roms klings and feds were always the big three plus the borg always doing something in all eras of star trek(dang voyager probe.everything the borg do is NASAs fault:P).if anything im very sure its more possible to see a liberated borg faction but keep in mind that something like that will probably happen after 2 years, if we ever get another faction at all.you see "you cant add too many factions in a game cause then your player base gets fragmented between those factions and you cant keep up with creating enough and satisfactory content for everyone" is what a dev said...even though he himself wanted to have all factions in this game ,as we all do.
the thing is that the main STO story seems to point towards the Iconians.The romulan faction coming into the game shows that we're moving towards that direction at transwarp.
im not a trekkie or a trekker...so i dont know everything by heart but im pretty sure that the cardassians had nothing to do with iconians.feds and roms were the ones that dealt with whatever was left of them in tng.
a cardassian faction would be more focused on fighting the dominion and the true way plus possibly getting friendly and resolving issues with the bajorans.that is a huge story and can go a long way to give us content for years.but we already got to deal with them.in that season(dont remember the number) where that lost dominion fleets returns(the dominion will always be present in any cardassian story).and you fight the true way as a fed while leveling.
i dont want to make you feel bad about this but i dont see that ever happening in this game.
one thing i think that must be added in this game is to make a social zone for all major species homeworlds with dailies and a few episodes for each one.in such a way people who will be left out if new factions dont get added will get a chance to experience those races and have some unique episodes for each of them on their homeworlds.its not much but its something.
Whether or not Cryptic does another Playable species will depend on how well the Romulans do - not just at launch but over a prolonged period of time. If they prove to be financially sustainable then Cryptic will be willing to look into doing other Factions. The Devs have talked about both Cardassians and Liberated Borgs. I would think they'd choose Cardassians as there would be more ship options, IMO.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Whether or not Cryptic does another Playable species will depend on how well the Romulans do - not just at launch but over a prolonged period of time. If they prove to be financially sustainable then Cryptic will be willing to look into doing other Factions. The Devs have talked about both Cardassians and Liberated Borgs. I would think they'd choose Cardassians as there would be more ship options, IMO.
i agree.but the cardassians would be difficult to bond with the current STO story line that leads to the iconians.then again the dominion has already had its season so it is possible to go that way too.from where i stand i would prefer a complete revamp of the klingons.and the roms actually becoming more independant in the future,provided that LoR is gonna be as good as we hope.
i agree.but the cardassians would be difficult to bond with the current STO story line that leads to the iconians.then again the dominion has already had its season so it is possible to go that way too.from where i stand i would prefer a complete revamp of the klingons.and the roms actually becoming more independant in the future,provided that LoR is gonna be as good as we hope.
Just as the Romulans open up potential Iconian stories a Cardassian Faction opens up potential Dominion stories. Plus the Cadassains have an established enemy already with the True Way Alliance. So much like the Roms have the Tal Shiar to fight the Cards have the TWA. It's a match made for the micro-faction alliance system, IMO.
I also think that Borg have run their course now. I think a huge chunk of the fan-base are tired of Borg and would just as soon see future STFs go in a different direction. Most of the end-game in STO has now moved away from the Borg into the Rep System so I'm not sure a Liberated Faction would be all that enticing.
No matter what Cryptic decides it would take a year or more to implement so it's probably 1.5 to 2 years away at best - assuming it was going to be a 1-50 faction with a Tutorial and full mission group.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Tying the Cardassians into the Iconian storyline would be as easy as having an Iconian-related incident in their space.
They wouldn't really need to tie into the Iconian story to get a Romulan style minifaction, though. Another threat to their space could be used - Romulans choose a side due to the Tal Shiar and silent enemy threat, they know nothing of the Iconians at that point.
Just as the Romulans open up potential Iconian stories a Cardassian Faction opens up potential Dominion stories. Plus the Cadassains have an established enemy already with the True Way Alliance. So much like the Roms have the Tal Shiar to fight the Cards have the TWA. It's a match made for the micro-faction alliance system, IMO.
This is all true.
And the fact that when the website initially launched, there were icons present for four playable factions - the Fed and KDF were selectable on the site, and Romulans and Cardassians were grayed out.
For all we know, Cryptic has been working on assets for a Cardassian faction as long as they've been working on assets for a Romulan faction. Also, this information indicates that they were planning on adding a Cardassian faction at some point, in the same way that they were planning on adding a Romulan faction.
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They'll just be peace-loving Fed Lite and you'll be fighting the True Way while being "allied" to the Federation. You'll probably have a plunky Bajoran forced upon you as your FO that you cant edit or delete and spend 20 levels exploring her backstory as she micromanages every thing you do.
They'll just be peace-loving Fed Lite and you'll be fighting the True Way while being "allied" to the Federation. You'll probably have a plunky Bajoran forced upon you as your FO that you cant edit or delete and spend 20 levels exploring her backstory as she micromanages every thing you do.
Sounds like a lot more fun then doing the same 30 Fed missions for the 40th time since launch to get to level 50.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I do not think they will add any factions who have lock box ships in the game. My klink uses a Galor, would not be fair to the Cardies to have everyone with access to the their most iconic ship.
I would love to see more factions maybe move away from cannon stuff and get into stuff from the books like destiny or the mirror universe books maybe a mirror faction even, it would be nice to be able to choose the good/bad fed or good/bad klingons or open up with more professions just add more depth to the game in general.
I do not think they will add any factions who have lock box ships in the game. My klink uses a Galor, would not be fair to the Cardies to have everyone with access to the their most iconic ship.
Keeping in mind that only about 1% of the player-base has a Galor I don't see it as being much of an issue.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
A Cardassian Union faction would be fun, if Cryptic can come up with some good stories for them. But as cosmic already pointed out, it all depends on how successful the Romulan Republic turns out.
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I'd love to see a Cardassian faction next, definitely the most deserving of the contenders (liberated Borg don't appeal to me at all...Borg are so 1999) and they have quite a fanbase.
I am all for a Cardassian and Dominion Faction. These are iconic species from the series and it would be great to get to play them. I am on the fence on a Lib Borg faction. The question I have (and keep in mind we are probably taking 3-4 years down the road so who knows) is what happens to all those FED/KDF/RR borg out there.
One of the big draws of a Lifetime subscription is the Liberated Borg as a Playable species. If you have a whole Borg faction, what is the point of having Liberated Borg in the other factions. This can anger several Lifers who may feel cheated because of it.
That said, Cosmic is right, No faction is going to be added till Cryptic can see how the Romulan one turns out. If it is a success, both in playerbase and sales (cause lets be honest, in a business doesn't matter how many people roll a Rom if they aren't putting any money in them).
Now one this that is good, Is the Legacy and Starter packs can give a good estimate to how financially successful the Romulan Faction is. So who knows, but we are a ways off from any faction. And truthfully, I am all for it. The devs have worked like crazy to get LoR out. I think they have earned a break.
Maybe in the next next expansion "Rule of the Tholians", you get to play as a Cardashian slave on the beach of jersey Cardasia spending thousands of dollars for a pre-release pack with most of the unlocks you've already earned included!!!
Keeping in mind that only about 1% of the player-base has a Galor I don't see it as being much of an issue.
This, and DStahl specifically called out that he regretted the decision to include the Galor in a box because it would make doing a Cardassian faction harder.
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Lots of valid points, and I can agree with what you've all said, or at least get where your coming from... IMHO having multiple races wouldn't need 100% separate content for each.. At a minimum just letting you have more freedom to make said race in the character creator.. But just imagine how expansive and massive this game could become if it truly allowed folks to choose from any race in the ST universe. While challenging from a dev perspective, it would make for a truly awesome game.
Just as the Romulans open up potential Iconian stories a Cardassian Faction opens up potential Dominion stories. Plus the Cadassains have an established enemy already with the True Way Alliance. So much like the Roms have the Tal Shiar to fight the Cards have the TWA. It's a match made for the micro-faction alliance system, IMO.
I also think that Borg have run their course now. I think a huge chunk of the fan-base are tired of Borg and would just as soon see future STFs go in a different direction. Most of the end-game in STO has now moved away from the Borg into the Rep System so I'm not sure a Liberated Faction would be all that enticing.
No matter what Cryptic decides it would take a year or more to implement so it's probably 1.5 to 2 years away at best - assuming it was going to be a 1-50 faction with a Tutorial and full mission group.
I agree (as I often seem to with you ).
Liberated Borg are playable in each faction, I really can't see it doing anything but flopping honestly. As a 5 level Borg Collective PvP only faction it might do okay (but it's unlikely to happen), and if it didn't there wouldn't be much work that would need to go into it comparatively.
Cardassians could easily be implemented in much the same way the Romulans are being added. I think it'll happen eventually.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Yeah, I could see Cardassians being implemented similarly to the Romulan Republic. And would be interesting getting some back story with the True Way.
And maybe they can take things a bit differently with the Cardassians and merge them with a type of crafting system, where they construct Starships (science ships and freighters) and various other technologies that were mentioned in the Path to 2409.
I feel the Cardassians would make for a great end-game faction only, a 'mini-faction'. I don't think there's really enough popularity to them to make an entire faction.
Give 'em a modified version of the Galor to differentiate from the lockbox version, and give 'em all the other classic Cardassian ships with one extra variant to spice things up. Combine that with the cross-faction stuff, and I think they'll do fine.
I wouldn't want to see a Cardassia reduced to being a Federation puppet, though. Playing as the True Way would be interesting.
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Whether or not Cryptic does another Playable species will depend on how well the Romulans do - not just at launch but over a prolonged period of time. If they prove to be financially sustainable then Cryptic will be willing to look into doing other Factions. The Devs have talked about both Cardassians and Liberated Borgs. I would think they'd choose Cardassians as there would be more ship options, IMO.
This answer is pretty much as spot on as you can get.
Possibly more factions if the Romulans do well and they've mentioned Cardies, Borg and the Dominion.
I would love a cardassian faction but we must keep in mind they no longer have any real military if i remember corectly from the path to "number" ... but also there where ships wich were send into romulan space after the destruction of romulus, i am not really sure but it was never said what happend to them so there is eventually a connecting point to the iconians
.if anything im very sure its more possible to see a liberated borg faction
there is already a Liberated Borg faction - it just cost's the price of a life time sub to play.
as for the overall discussion, I would rather see an expansion that adds several "mini"factions from the DS9 storyline, instead of 1 main faction.. you would have the cardies + true way, bajorans, dominion, and ferengi factions - each with their own home world starting missions, and custom racial missions from levels 1-10 that leads to common regional content for all the races combining from 11-50. - using their own factional ships that are in the game.
the lock box duplicates would be more advanced versions of the ones that are out - it stands to reason that old ships from the war would be floating around anyway.
Just as the Romulans open up potential Iconian stories a Cardassian Faction opens up potential Dominion stories. Plus the Cadassains have an established enemy already with the True Way Alliance. So much like the Roms have the Tal Shiar to fight the Cards have the TWA. It's a match made for the micro-faction alliance system, IMO.
I also think that Borg have run their course now. I think a huge chunk of the fan-base are tired of Borg and would just as soon see future STFs go in a different direction. Most of the end-game in STO has now moved away from the Borg into the Rep System so I'm not sure a Liberated Faction would be all that enticing.
No matter what Cryptic decides it would take a year or more to implement so it's probably 1.5 to 2 years away at best - assuming it was going to be a 1-50 faction with a Tutorial and full mission group.
I agree with all of this, I'm tired of the Borg and would love to see some new enemies even if they are old ones. The Cardassians have the True way to fight and I very much would love for them to be the next faction.
This, and DStahl specifically called out that he regretted the decision to include the Galor in a box because it would make doing a Cardassian faction harder.
However, he's more recently said that a Romulan faction doesn't influence the likelihood or contents of a Romulan lockbox, but does raise the question of why Romulan characters would open one, so there might have to be something different about a lockbox D'derix.
He said this before we knew about the allegiance system, but almost certainly after it has been established internally. That's the one very big thing that's changed since earlier comments about the Galor and the resistance to a lockbox D'derix: new factions aren't independent of existing ones.
I feel the Cardassians would make for a great end-game faction only, a 'mini-faction'. I don't think there's really enough popularity to them to make an entire faction.
Give 'em a modified version of the Galor to differentiate from the lockbox version, and give 'em all the other classic Cardassian ships with one extra variant to spice things up. Combine that with the cross-faction stuff, and I think they'll do fine.
I wouldn't want to see a Cardassia reduced to being a Federation puppet, though. Playing as the True Way would be interesting.
They said if they made a new faction it'd be built the same way, a huge update with a full story progression 1-50.
The True Way won't happen as a playable faction as they have already said no "bad guys" or oppressors.
The Cardassian Union has changed a lot since the Dominion war. They were ravaged when the Dominion pulled out and they currently cannot field their own military (only a police-like force), which means they'd probably work it into the story that they can again have their own military (ie the end of the agreement). So as long as Romulans do good in the long term, I'm sure the Cardassians will get their own 1-50 faction.
Thanks for the expansion that had "as much content as the last"
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Whether or not Cryptic does another Playable species will depend on how well the Romulans do - not just at launch but over a prolonged period of time. If they prove to be financially sustainable then Cryptic will be willing to look into doing other Factions. The Devs have talked about both Cardassians and Liberated Borgs. I would think they'd choose Cardassians as there would be more ship options, IMO.
Lib Borg will never happen, as they would have to compensate LTS.
+Playable Borg ships will be a no-go. Don't want every No-One to be piloting a Borg Tactical Cube.
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the thing is that the main STO story seems to point towards the Iconians.The romulan faction coming into the game shows that we're moving towards that direction at transwarp.
im not a trekkie or a trekker...so i dont know everything by heart but im pretty sure that the cardassians had nothing to do with iconians.feds and roms were the ones that dealt with whatever was left of them in tng.
a cardassian faction would be more focused on fighting the dominion and the true way plus possibly getting friendly and resolving issues with the bajorans.that is a huge story and can go a long way to give us content for years.but we already got to deal with them.in that season(dont remember the number) where that lost dominion fleets returns(the dominion will always be present in any cardassian story).and you fight the true way as a fed while leveling.
i dont want to make you feel bad about this but i dont see that ever happening in this game.
one thing i think that must be added in this game is to make a social zone for all major species homeworlds with dailies and a few episodes for each one.in such a way people who will be left out if new factions dont get added will get a chance to experience those races and have some unique episodes for each of them on their homeworlds.its not much but its something.
i agree.but the cardassians would be difficult to bond with the current STO story line that leads to the iconians.then again the dominion has already had its season so it is possible to go that way too.from where i stand i would prefer a complete revamp of the klingons.and the roms actually becoming more independant in the future,provided that LoR is gonna be as good as we hope.
I also think that Borg have run their course now. I think a huge chunk of the fan-base are tired of Borg and would just as soon see future STFs go in a different direction. Most of the end-game in STO has now moved away from the Borg into the Rep System so I'm not sure a Liberated Faction would be all that enticing.
No matter what Cryptic decides it would take a year or more to implement so it's probably 1.5 to 2 years away at best - assuming it was going to be a 1-50 faction with a Tutorial and full mission group.
They wouldn't really need to tie into the Iconian story to get a Romulan style minifaction, though. Another threat to their space could be used - Romulans choose a side due to the Tal Shiar and silent enemy threat, they know nothing of the Iconians at that point.
This is all true.
And the fact that when the website initially launched, there were icons present for four playable factions - the Fed and KDF were selectable on the site, and Romulans and Cardassians were grayed out.
For all we know, Cryptic has been working on assets for a Cardassian faction as long as they've been working on assets for a Romulan faction. Also, this information indicates that they were planning on adding a Cardassian faction at some point, in the same way that they were planning on adding a Romulan faction.
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One of the big draws of a Lifetime subscription is the Liberated Borg as a Playable species. If you have a whole Borg faction, what is the point of having Liberated Borg in the other factions. This can anger several Lifers who may feel cheated because of it.
That said, Cosmic is right, No faction is going to be added till Cryptic can see how the Romulan one turns out. If it is a success, both in playerbase and sales (cause lets be honest, in a business doesn't matter how many people roll a Rom if they aren't putting any money in them).
Now one this that is good, Is the Legacy and Starter packs can give a good estimate to how financially successful the Romulan Faction is. So who knows, but we are a ways off from any faction. And truthfully, I am all for it. The devs have worked like crazy to get LoR out. I think they have earned a break.
no correct that...i need them!
This, and DStahl specifically called out that he regretted the decision to include the Galor in a box because it would make doing a Cardassian faction harder.
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I agree (as I often seem to with you
Liberated Borg are playable in each faction, I really can't see it doing anything but flopping honestly. As a 5 level Borg Collective PvP only faction it might do okay (but it's unlikely to happen), and if it didn't there wouldn't be much work that would need to go into it comparatively.
Cardassians could easily be implemented in much the same way the Romulans are being added. I think it'll happen eventually.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
And maybe they can take things a bit differently with the Cardassians and merge them with a type of crafting system, where they construct Starships (science ships and freighters) and various other technologies that were mentioned in the Path to 2409.
Give 'em a modified version of the Galor to differentiate from the lockbox version, and give 'em all the other classic Cardassian ships with one extra variant to spice things up. Combine that with the cross-faction stuff, and I think they'll do fine.
I wouldn't want to see a Cardassia reduced to being a Federation puppet, though. Playing as the True Way would be interesting.
This answer is pretty much as spot on as you can get.
Possibly more factions if the Romulans do well and they've mentioned Cardies, Borg and the Dominion.
there is already a Liberated Borg faction - it just cost's the price of a life time sub to play.
as for the overall discussion, I would rather see an expansion that adds several "mini"factions from the DS9 storyline, instead of 1 main faction.. you would have the cardies + true way, bajorans, dominion, and ferengi factions - each with their own home world starting missions, and custom racial missions from levels 1-10 that leads to common regional content for all the races combining from 11-50. - using their own factional ships that are in the game.
the lock box duplicates would be more advanced versions of the ones that are out - it stands to reason that old ships from the war would be floating around anyway.
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I agree with all of this, I'm tired of the Borg and would love to see some new enemies even if they are old ones. The Cardassians have the True way to fight and I very much would love for them to be the next faction.
However, he's more recently said that a Romulan faction doesn't influence the likelihood or contents of a Romulan lockbox, but does raise the question of why Romulan characters would open one, so there might have to be something different about a lockbox D'derix.
He said this before we knew about the allegiance system, but almost certainly after it has been established internally. That's the one very big thing that's changed since earlier comments about the Galor and the resistance to a lockbox D'derix: new factions aren't independent of existing ones.
They said if they made a new faction it'd be built the same way, a huge update with a full story progression 1-50.
The True Way won't happen as a playable faction as they have already said no "bad guys" or oppressors.
The Cardassian Union has changed a lot since the Dominion war. They were ravaged when the Dominion pulled out and they currently cannot field their own military (only a police-like force), which means they'd probably work it into the story that they can again have their own military (ie the end of the agreement). So as long as Romulans do good in the long term, I'm sure the Cardassians will get their own 1-50 faction.
9 Episodes = 30+ episodes...?
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It's pronounced "S.T.O." "Stow" sounds idiotic! lol
Lib Borg will never happen, as they would have to compensate LTS.
+Playable Borg ships will be a no-go. Don't want every No-One to be piloting a Borg Tactical Cube.
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