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cha0s1428cha0s1428 Member Posts: 416 Arc User
edited May 2013 in PvP Gameplay
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=651071

Hawk just confirmed they are reverting to holodeck, but with the new bonus for each.

Sorry if the link don't work, I'm on my phone and its a bit wonky. Its in the tribble feedback forum otherwise.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    :P beat you by 1 minute, bumping my old thread on the saga
  • cha0s1428cha0s1428 Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Lol I saw that. Stupid phone! I woulda beat ya if I wasn't at work, hehe

    Either way....rejoice!
  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Glad to see they made this choice.
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's not like they had many working options.
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    It's not like they had many working options.

    Think it's going to make it more difficult for them to try to do it down the road though...oh well.

    Also, I don't think enough people are considering how it's only going to further increase the gap between Escorts and Cruisers as well as DHCs and Beams...oh well.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Maybe, but I can at least now rotate EpTE for 100% duration and fly circles around battle area with 100+ impulse speed. Oh I'm looking forward to drive many "slow" escort players crazy in my ol' girl.

    I can already hear the whispers. You wimp, stop running you sissy, i hope you live forever, starfleet coward, cheater ! etc etc. Aaaaahh
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Well they'll make my already stupid fast escort insane.... I just hope that the dmg bonus from EPTW isn't something that is now going to be considered the base line. I would hate to think they now can just go and pile on more and more stupid defense passives. If I have to drop my epte for eptw to keep up I would be very annoyed.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm a little worried that the changes are going to be too good. New EPtW on full rotation with new EPS and new Warp Core Trait ... its gonna hurt. 10k dps cruisers everywhere
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    And that's a bad thing? Cruisers could use the damage.
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Well they'll make my already stupid fast escort insane.... I just hope that the dmg bonus from EPTW isn't something that is now going to be considered the base line. I would hate to think they now can just go and pile on more and more stupid defense passives. If I have to drop my epte for eptw to keep up I would be very annoyed.

    Isn't it great, when you actually have to think about the pros/cons instead just using the only option ?:P
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Isn't it great, when you actually have to think about the pros/cons instead just using the only option ?:P

    ya nice to have options and all... I already use EPTE is my point... I hope the game doesn't get balanced around everyone having 100% EPTW uptime cause now well they will. ;)
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Think it's going to make it more difficult for them to try to do it down the road though...oh well.

    Also, I don't think enough people are considering how it's only going to further increase the gap between Escorts and Cruisers as well as DHCs and Beams...oh well.

    do what down the road? the EPt skills are now perfect, for the current game.

    im going to be more worried about escorts using EPtE then EPtW honestly. my KDF battle cruiser user though, that will be useing EPtW3, is nearly giddy
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    And that's a bad thing? Cruisers could use the damage.
    Power creep is bad. and if we start seeing JHAS with 5x EPtX abilities you'll think it's a bad thing too.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    And that's a bad thing? Cruisers could use the damage.

    Well it won't just be the cruisers anymore... expect to see a lot more escorts rocking EPTS + EPTW with 2 dmg control doffs for 100% up time on both.

    Most people have until now just ran 2 epts cause they are too worried about the 1-2 times in a night when they won't get a doff proc in there roll.

    I am thinking when people start getting dropped by Romulan 5 Tac Unit Enhanced battle cloakers putting out 80k overloads on demand... people are going to likely regret being so hard against the proper changes that Cryptic doesn't have the spheres to implement. ;) (also remember that that crazy ship has a lt cmd engi slot... hello EPTW 3 always on.)

    I agree though in general cruisers can use a DPS bump... I just fear that this change isn't going to help them much overall.
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    ya nice to have options and all... I already use EPTE is my point... I hope the game doesn't get balanced around everyone having 100% EPTW uptime cause now well they will. ;)

    Well, I'm using EptE on my cruisers since launch. So it is just buff to me. But now I will also cycle it on my steamrunner :P But that EPtW, hmm 100% uptime for EPTW3 on my Ol'Girls. Splendid :P I guess Jorf will get a stroke when he sees all the selfish builds popping up in shipbuilding thread.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Well, I'm using EptE on my cruisers since launch. So it is just buff to me. But now I will also cycle it on my steamrunner :P But that EPtW, hmm 100% uptime for EPTW3 on my Ol'Girls. Splendid :P I guess Jorf will get a stroke when he sees all the selfish builds popping up in shipbuilding thread.

    lol ya... if someone gets a engi with eptw doing some dmg he might have a coronary. :)

    I just hope that you and I and the handful of others that honestly love EPTE won't have to drop it to rock EPTW and EPTS. As the dmg just can't be done with out... cause now its likely someone like Gecko will see this change as a good excuse to just keep adding passive shield regen and other terrible ideas. ;)
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Why drop it ? I always seen EPtE as a optional tool, not something that must be up whole time.

    I will try to have EPtW,EPtE and EPTS with ATSIF on my steamrunner, with 2 damage control DOFFs. Same goes for my Galaxy and Galaxy-X. You know I was already thinking about ultra selfish build with EPtE and 2x Aux to damp for 100% coverage lol
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Why drop it ? I always seen EPtE as a optional tool, not something that must be up whole time.

    I will try to have EPtW,EPtE and EPTS with ATSIF on my steamrunner, with 2 damage control DOFFs. Same goes for my Galaxy and Galaxy-X. You know I was already thinking about ultra selfish build with EPtE and 2x Aux to damp for 100% coverage lol

    Well most escorts can't really run 3... and you can't keep 100% uptime on anymore then 2.

    Optimal build is 2 EPTx...

    Your right though some ships could keep the epte as a backup.

    I will most likely be keeping my current setup and simply be zooming all over the place... with my EPTE EPTS Aux to Damp Omega 3 with 2 AP doffs. I will be 15k away anytime I feel like it I'm thinking. ;)

    I like the changes to epte epta and eptw don't get me wrong... I am just dreading gecko or some other Cryptic money grubber seeing this as a green light to add even more healing. I think we can all see it happening now.
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    LoL I'm planning to have all 4 emergency powers on my G-R. Simply because EptE and EptA have nice situation benefit for ensign station and I have plenty of them. It allows flexibility, which actually is something I missed before with those barely noticeable 5s buffs.

    Sure only two can be run at the same time, but the combinations for different needs are great.

    EPtA + EPtW = firing + supporting !
    EPtA + EptS = tanking !
    EPtE + EpTW = chasing !
    EptS + EPtW = firing under fire !
    EptE + EptA = heroic rescue !
    EptE + EptS = running under fire !

    Ah can't wait to come back from home and test it on tribble.

    Now add new warpcores and possibile +5 power cap to one subsystem -> bonus to another and it gets really funny with so much power.
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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I just took my 2 purple EPTX doffs out of mothballs and tested. Still get TRIBBLE too often to be useful IMO.

    Maybe 3 is the charm? lol. ;)
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    2x is like 81%, 3x is like 91%. So it depends if that 10% is worth one doff slot. It isn't for me.
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Or the interesting things we can do with the excelsior now.

    New buffs for eptx powers -excel has 3 ens eng stations
    New buffs to RCS and SIT - gon tern like she means it
    New warpcores - MOAR POWAR
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I like the changes to epte epta and eptw don't get me wrong... I am just dreading gecko or some other Cryptic money grubber seeing this as a green light to add even more healing. I think we can all see it happening now.

    We know more passives are coming, regardless of anything going on with EPtX.

    And oh yeah... the power cores are coming too, we all know sooner rather than later they'll have procs on top of set bonuses....

    Not that it really matters though, how much pug PvP will exist post LoR is up in the air. And who wants to run premades? These days you can still get the odd interesting non ROFLSTOMP pug match, after LoR... lets jsut hope for the best I guess. Remember, its not whether something is actually OP, its about how the average players perceive. And if they perceive PvP is dominated by battlecloaking roms with fed ship stats they won't see the point of pugging at all.
  • gralerongraleron Member Posts: 221 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    do what down the road? the EPt skills are now perfect, for the current game.

    Hawk did say that down the line they would like to make the Emergency Power abilities more high-impact/long-cooldown to make their use a real choice.

    With his acceptance that disrupting the current usage patterns would do more harm than good, and Borticus' post that makes clear the devs' awareness that there are too few power choices at Ensign level for Engineering and Tactical, I think that any such changes would come as part of a wider set of revisions of Bridge Officer and Captain abilities.
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    graleron wrote: »
    Hawk did say that down the line they would like to make the Emergency Power abilities more high-impact/long-cooldown to make their use a real choice.

    That's unlikely to ever happen. It'd require a complete rebalance of NPCs in the game. In turn this would necessitate that most dreaded of evil monsters, the bane of Cryptic bean counters everywhere.... spending resources in something that won't directly make a buck!
  • hroothvitnirhroothvitnir Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2013
    So I just tested my vesta with epts + epte and at min eng power with one blue turnrate I can get it to a solid 32 turnrate. Yea gonna be really hard to use anything but that setup now.

    But with that though whats the top end JHAS turn now? 4 rcs a tacyo and omega going?:eek:
    Does it spin in its own length now.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Cryptic trolled folks so hard with this...

    ...check the patch notes.

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=10087891#post10087891
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Cryptic trolled folks so hard with this...

    ...check the patch notes.

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=10087891#post10087891

    YEAH I SAW that this morning and was like.... "HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH -gasps- HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"

    true story.

    they ask for feedback and completely ignore it OR they suck at patch notes.

    i vote both of the above btw.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    There was a post from bran that he would check if it was a typo or not before updating the notes...

    ...there's been no update of the notes.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I hope the notes are correct... it was the right move to begin with. This will allow for up time chaining... which is good. Nothing changes there.

    The gap everyone is worried about really is no big deal. Considering all the other options to boost shield resists.... if you can't manage 10s every 30s you suck.
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