test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

Any KDF fleets that actually promote?

captainobvious09captainobvious09 Member Posts: 182 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Klingon Discussion
I have been trying for over a week (I am a casual player) to get to the point where I can buy Advanced Fleet weapons, and the fleet I am in keeps raising the bar for promotion, first it was 30k, then 50k, now 75k. I even posted it in fleetchat and someone said, you keep talking about it and it will be 100k.

I am starting to think player control of advanced ships and weapons is a very very bad idea.

Is this common for KDF fleets to be such doucebags? I mean, there are far less KDF players I would think you want to keep members not alienate them.
Post edited by captainobvious09 on

Comments

  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    75-100k is fairly normal, and if you want to buy a ship and gear it with Advanced stuff you're gonna need 20k for the ship plus 20k per weapon anyways. But yeah if your fleet is gonna keep telling you one thing, then change it, they're jerks and shouldn't get another EC out of you. Better someone who tells you to your face that it would be 200k than stringing you along for even just 100. That kind of deceit is better suited to Romulans, not Klingons!
  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I would think you would see that more from the larger Fleets.
    With the timers on provisioning projects I would say "triage" is common.

    I don't think you would see that from one of the smaller Fleets.

    Also, I think Fleet weapons are overrated.
    I joined a Fedside Fleet not too long ago and aside from getting a Fleet Defiant, there just isn't that much of a difference from what I can get off the Exchange.
    I'm not impressed with them.

    Well, except for that Fleet Photon...that delicious, sexy Fleet Photon...
    NO to ARC
    RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    So far as I have seen the UFP fleets dont have any real restrictions.

    Outside of a 2 week waiting period which you can bypass by asking on their forums I have not been restricted from buying anything.

    They have 6 or 7 active fleet as gar as I can remember with the klingon fleet prety close to t5. Ive been on my romulan so I dont really know where they are.
    As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?

    Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln

    Occidere populo et effercio confractus
  • sneyepersneyeper Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I have been trying for over a week (I am a casual player) to get to the point where I can buy Advanced Fleet weapons, and the fleet I am in keeps raising the bar for promotion, first it was 30k, then 50k, now 75k. I even posted it in fleetchat and someone said, you keep talking about it and it will be 100k.

    I am starting to think player control of advanced ships and weapons is a very very bad idea.

    Is this common for KDF fleets to be such doucebags? I mean, there are far less KDF players I would think you want to keep members not alienate them.

    Sounds like a problem with your fleet. The fleet I am in is 150k donations total between our fed and kdf base and its been that since the fleet system started.
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I find it strange that fleets in general are so incredibly fascist about their provisions considering that they probably have hundreds if not thousands of them and there is absolutely no need to ration them like that, and that they tie a member's worth to their "contrib score", an arbitrary measurement weighting things by completely arbitrary means which have nothing to do with what is scarce or valuable, and can be artificially inflated through the use of "special projects", in which a player essentially dumps resources down the drain in exchange for FC, while making no actual contribution to the fleet itself. Such an obviously debased score should thus have no value, but people think it's REALLY IMPORTANT anyway.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Ouch, that really stinks about that. I can't attest to any fleet but my own, and while the bottom rank is pretty much locked out of anything (to prevent griefing of course), but any level above that can get as many as they wish, there's no limit on what they can buy.

    We figured that since we DO have so many provisions, being stingy isn't going to help the members out that much.

    We used to be much much more careful with provisions. We were also a lot smaller fleet, so it wasn't a big deal. Now that we're much larger, and have tons of provisions, we figure why hold em back? As long as people are willing to do their part for the SB, no reason for us to keep them from buying what they want.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • drowrulesupremedrowrulesupreme Member Posts: 692 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    My fleet is still quite small (18 percent, if you're looking for us :D ) but we have clear guidance on what level of donation is required for promotion and at what point you gain access to fleet stores.
    Promotions take place when you reach the following levels of fleet credits (earned within our fleet) 10k, 30k, 60k, 100k and last one at 150k (we have enough leaders already). Access to fleet stores is gained at 100k, since this is a level where you should have enough to buy a few and have proven yourself in the fleet to all who care to look.
    Sounds like you have had a bad time of things in your fleet, and moving the bar seems more than a little harsh (especially the method used to move them) but all I can promise with ours is that the goals will never change except to lower the bar when we get bigger.
    @drowrulesupreme in-game, mail me if you want to think about moving. Sounds like it should take no time for you to get where you want with us.
    We're only tier 1.5 at the moment, but growing all the time, and with some serious fleet marks and dil from Crystalline catastrophe coming up, growth should happen QUICK in a few days.
    "...we are far more united and have far more in common with each other than the things that divide us.”
    Jo Cox 22.6.1974 - 16.6.2016

  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Can't speak as to the the Fleet Ships. Never had one. What I will say about the Fleet ships is this: You spend all that Dilithium and time to get a Starbase to T5. Then, you spend about US $20.00 for the Modules. Next, you spend still more Dilithium to get a ship which is only 10% better statwise than a normal T5 version of the same ship? Seems legit. Yeah. "Hidden costs? WhatChuTalkinBoutWillis?" lol

    I had a complete set of Advanced Fleet Weapons for my Kamarag class cruiser. Three Disruptor DHC's fore. Three turrets aft. One Photon Torp Launcher each for the remaining slots fore and aft. I wasn't all that impressed after awhile. Didn't seem to do much more damage than my Mk XII purple kit. I'm not a min/maxer and I don't have one of those nifty combat parsers mounted either. All I can go by is what happened during a mission or STF. I seemed to be shooting more often and doing less damage with the Fleet weapons as opposed to "regular" Mk XII purple weapons.
    A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Next, you spend still more Dilithium to get a ship which is only 10% better statwise than a normal T5 version of the same ship?
    There is no mineral cost associated with purchasing a fleet ship.
    I had a complete set of Advanced Fleet Weapons for my Kamarag class cruiser. Three Disruptor DHC's fore. Three turrets aft
    You should not buy the Advanced Disruptors, the Elite Disruptors outclass them in every way. The only Advanced weapons worth a damn are the Advanced APs...because there aren't any other APs. Every other "advanced" weapon is outclassed in PvP and PvE by the standard XII purples in your flavor of Acc, CrtH, or CrtD.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    In light of the possibility of promoting too soon and having thier resources stripped by any member they are shy about moving to quickly?

    Given that they threatened to increase the payment amount because you keep pushing may be a sign of such missgivings as stated above.

    Or you could just be dealing with egoes of those above you in the fleet.

    I would say find a new fleet that fits you better.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

    R.I.P
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Any fleet that does not allow people to buy what they created is not worth joining
    Live long and Prosper
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Our fleet promotes members once a month. The first rank of associate is restricted and it is a trial period, after that first month you are promoted and have access to fleet stores and bank tabs.

    No contribution limits, everyone is treated equally.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    I drink, I vote, and I PvP!
  • wenom4wenom4 Member Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    if you need weapons or somethin contact me in game @Wenom_Lord fed/kdf
  • number1romulannumber1romulan Member Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Can't speak as to the the Fleet Ships. Never had one. What I will say about the Fleet ships is this: You spend all that Dilithium and time to get a Starbase to T5. Then, you spend about US $20.00 for the Modules. Next, you spend still more Dilithium to get a ship which is only 10% better statwise than a normal T5 version of the same ship? Seems legit. Yeah. "Hidden costs? WhatChuTalkinBoutWillis?" lol

    I had a complete set of Advanced Fleet Weapons for my Kamarag class cruiser. Three Disruptor DHC's fore. Three turrets aft. One Photon Torp Launcher each for the remaining slots fore and aft. I wasn't all that impressed after awhile. Didn't seem to do much more damage than my Mk XII purple kit. I'm not a min/maxer and I don't have one of those nifty combat parsers mounted either. All I can go by is what happened during a mission or STF. I seemed to be shooting more often and doing less damage with the Fleet weapons as opposed to "regular" Mk XII purple weapons.

    LOL - avg cost of the Jem Bug is $300 - three HUNDRED dollars!!!
  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    the fleet I am in keeps raising the bar for promotion, first it was 30k, then 50k, now 75k.

    I quit the fleet I was in because of this "changing goal posts" problem. Except it started at 75K and was being pushed up to 200K, and people who previously had earned store access would be demoted instead of grandfathered.

    I would rather not be in a fleet at all than to be teased or lied to.The incremental performance gains are not worth the drama.
  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    SVR is always willing to help out KDF making purchases. Just contact me in game @havam and i can check if we can proivde you with what you need.
  • daunknownadmindaunknownadmin Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    momaw wrote: »
    I quit the fleet I was in because of this "changing goal posts" problem. Except it started at 75K and was being pushed up to 200K, and people who previously had earned store access would be demoted instead of grandfathered.

    I would rather not be in a fleet at all than to be teased or lied to.The incremental performance gains are not worth the drama.
    Good more, now you can move forward and find a decent fleet. There are plenty of Fleets to choose from here http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=79

    All the best.
  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    So far as I have seen the UFP fleets dont have any real restrictions.

    Outside of a 2 week waiting period which you can bypass by asking on their forums I have not been restricted from buying anything.
    This is correct. We previously had no restrictions at all, but was forced to implement the waiting period due to that policy being abused.
    They have 6 or 7 active fleet as gar as I can remember with the klingon fleet prety close to t5. Ive been on my romulan so I dont really know where they are.

    We currently have 3 active Fleets - a Fed for main characters (T5), a Fed for alts (T?), and a KDF (T4, I think?). We have 2 Fleets with (I believe) T2 or T3 set aside for Romulan Fed and KDF characters.
    I mean, there are far less KDF players I would think you want to keep members not alienate them.

    That is precisely why those members of the UFP who mainly play KDF are rather enthusiastic about welcoming new members. Do feel free to check out our website! (It's less intimidating/complicated than it may seem at first.)
  • vitzhvitzh Member Posts: 519
    edited April 2013
    Sounds like your fleet is pretty fail imo. Join a PvP Fleet, they generally look after their members and don't tread on them, plus put fleet banks to much better use with equipment you actually need. However they probably won't let you buy advanced fleet weapons because they are godawful. Seriously, avoid advanced gear. A pvp fleet are more likely to get you setup with stuff that isn't a waste of resources.

    Promotion in a fleet should not be centered around the starbase, but of the personality and contributions of the person.
  • maddog0000doommaddog0000doom Member Posts: 1,017 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I have been trying for over a week (I am a casual player) to get to the point where I can buy Advanced Fleet weapons, and the fleet I am in keeps raising the bar for promotion, first it was 30k, then 50k, now 75k. I even posted it in fleetchat and someone said, you keep talking about it and it will be 100k.

    I am starting to think player control of advanced ships and weapons is a very very bad idea.

    Is this common for KDF fleets to be such doucebags? I mean, there are far less KDF players I would think you want to keep members not alienate them.

    send me a invite request.

    void dragon corsiars allows everyone to use the store tho it would be nice if people would contribute more. its not a forced issue.

    if u dont wanna do somehting then dont.

    we got t3 shipyard with loads of ship tokens avaibles.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • jnohdjnohd Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I have been trying for over a week (I am a casual player) to get to the point where I can buy Advanced Fleet weapons, and the fleet I am in keeps raising the bar for promotion, first it was 30k, then 50k, now 75k. I even posted it in fleetchat and someone said, you keep talking about it and it will be 100k.

    I am starting to think player control of advanced ships and weapons is a very very bad idea.

    Is this common for KDF fleets to be such doucebags? I mean, there are far less KDF players I would think you want to keep members not alienate them.



    Provision access in a casual/no-pressure Fleet with no real minimums and no hardcore attitude? That'd be us.

    Should be working on the T4 Sci project in about 2 weeks, and I think the T4 Starbase project is about 600k Dilithium shy of completion, so hopefully that will be out of the way in time. Embassy Diplomacy should have the T3 project begin in the next 2 days, then Embassy 3 after that for the robes... Wait, shouldn't this be in the Fleet forum?
    Wampaq@Jnoh, Fleet Leader: ..Bloodbath and Beyond [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] 'Iw HaH je Hoch!
    ALL HOLDINGS FINISHED! - Starbase 5-5-5-5 || Embassy 3-3-3 || Mine 3-3-3 || Spire 3-3-3
    A laid back KDF fleet welcoming independent, casual, & part-time players and groups. Roms & alts welcome.
    Send in-game mail to Wampaq@Jnoh, visit our recruitment thread and FB page for more info.
Sign In or Register to comment.