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maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2013 in PvP Gameplay
so it seems all romulan ships of note (ie the warbirds) will come with romulan battle cloaking AND if youre a romulan captain you get a trait that makes your cloak even that much better....


i sure hope these ships have paper thin hulls to "balance" it out.

poor klingons get shafted again...
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  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    From what I saw, they all had monstrous hulls. The Mogai had 31.5k base hull, if I recall, and that's the most escort-like. The D'Deridex had 40k base hull.

    I'll hop onto Tribble and get some more solid info, but yes, at the moment all Romulan ships have battle cloak.

    Mogai Heavy Warbird Retrofit
    - Commander Tactical
    - Lieutenant Tactical
    - Ensign Engineering
    - Lieutenant Commander Science
    - Lieutenant Universal
    = Four tactical console slots
    = Two engineer console slots
    = Three science console slots
    + 15 Weapon Subsystems
    * Console - Ionized Particle Beam
    ~ Battle Cloak
    Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
    Base Hull: 33000
    Shield Modifier: 0.9
    Base Crew: 900
    Base Turn: 14
    Device Slots: 3

    D'deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser Retrofit
    - Lieutenant Tactical
    - Commander Engineering
    - Lieutenant Commander Engineering
    - Ensign Engineering
    - Lieutenant Science
    = Three tactical console slots
    = Four engineer console slots
    = Two science console slots
    + 10 Shield power, +5 Aux
    * Console - Projected Singularity
    ~ Battle Cloak
    Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
    Base Hull: 40500
    Shield Modifier: 1
    Base Crew: 1500
    Base Turn: 2 (display bug; I hear it's supposed to be 5)
    Device Slots: 4

    Haakona Advanced Warbird
    - Lieutenant Tactical
    - Ensign Tactical
    - Lieutenant Engineering
    - Commander Engineering
    - Lieutenant Commander Universal
    = Three tactical console slots
    = Two engineer console slots
    = Four science console slots
    + 10 Shield power, +5 Aux
    * Console - Ha'apax Separation
    ~ Battle Cloak
    Weapons: 4 Fore, 4 Aft
    Base Hull: 40000
    Shield Modifier: 1.05
    Base Crew: 1000
    Base Turn: 5
    Device Slots: 4
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  • darkfader1988darkfader1988 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Its the end of KDF pretty much anyway, i could only see a few minor benefits to stick to KDF.

    Ppl will play alot more rommy now :D
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    they also get 160 base power, not 200. the singularity gimicks, they proboly arent going to make up for that. thier BOP is not a universal heavy ship, but is basically an escort, with a lovely 18 turn rate and pretty normal escort hull and shields. and, get this, enhanced battle cloak. imagine if an armatige had 18 turn rate and enhanced battle claok, thats what that ship is. no one has noticed just how nuts this thing is yet.

    next they have a 16 turn rate escort that if i recall correctly had a variant on the breen ship's station setup. the mogia has a 14 turn and is a destroyer kinda, another well balanced station selection.

    the D'deridex is a crime against humanity, a galaxy R with a 5 turn rate. the free tier 5 ship at the moment is a star cruiser. hopeful these are going to change.
  • number1romulannumber1romulan Member Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    they also get 160 base power, not 200. the singularity gimicks, they proboly arent going to make up for that. thier BOP is not a universal heavy ship, but is basically an escort, with a lovely 18 turn rate and pretty normal escort hull and shields. and, get this, enhanced battle cloak. imagine if an armatige had 18 turn rate and enhanced battle claok, thats what that ship is. no one has noticed just how nuts this thing is yet.

    next they have a 16 turn rate escort that if i recall correctly had a variant on the breen ship's station setup. the mogia has a 14 turn and is a destroyer kinda, another well balanced station selection.

    the D'deridex is a crime against humanity, a galaxy R with a 5 turn rate. the free tier 5 ship at the moment is a star cruiser. hopeful these are going to change.

    I hear the Fleet D'deridex has a 45k hull- 1.2 shield mod - 6 turn and an extra eng console - can anyone confirm?

    Still a beast - but I am sure that dontdrunk could make her spin like a top.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    so it seems all romulan ships of note (ie the warbirds) will come with romulan battle cloaking AND if youre a romulan captain you get a trait that makes your cloak even that much better....


    i sure hope these ships have paper thin hulls to "balance" it out.

    poor klingons get shafted again...

    How have we been shafted?
    Myself and others have no issue with the Romulans having better cloaking. We got our technology from them.
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  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    How have we been shafted?
    Myself and others have no issue with the Romulans having better cloaking. We got our technology from them.

    Since the game came out Klingons have been told that as a "balancing" factor they would always have less hull/shields then the fed ships because they have normal cloak.

    Here come the romulans and not only are their hills just as good and their shields about the same as the Feds they have BATTLE CLOAKS on 90% of their ships.

    That's why I said Klingons get shafted again
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    Here come the romulans and not only are their hills just as good and their shields about the same as the Feds they have BATTLE CLOAKS on 90% of their ships.

    Wait 10% of the Rom ships don't have Battle Cloak ?

    Ohhh you mean the one that has Enhanced Battle Cloak. ;)

    Ya klinks get the shaft here pretty hard I think.

    Really see no reason to ally my New rom toon with the Klinks... there is no upside.

    I can roll Fed and have 90% more pve content should I care... and 90% more pvp matches.

    One thing I do notice though... another faction with no science ships, unless I'm missing something.

    Do the Feds have the Monopoly on Science for some reason ?
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  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    they also get 160 base power, not 200. the singularity gimicks, they proboly arent going to make up for that. thier BOP is not a universal heavy ship, but is basically an escort, with a lovely 18 turn rate and pretty normal escort hull and shields. and, get this, enhanced battle cloak. imagine if an armatige had 18 turn rate and enhanced battle claok, thats what that ship is. no one has noticed just how nuts this thing is yet.

    next they have a 16 turn rate escort that if i recall correctly had a variant on the breen ship's station setup. the mogia has a 14 turn and is a destroyer kinda, another well balanced station selection.
    .

    Lol well with how easy it is to get 200++ power as it is now, starting off with a little less power won't matter.
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The T'varo Retro has an EBC.

    The Fleet T'varo is available from a T1 Shipyard.

    Have to wonder if it will be 4 or 5 FSMs though, since there are both a Refit and Retrofit available for it (cause you know there's the 2pc set bonus for having the consoles from the Refit and Retrofit). The Retro's an RA though - so 4? Cause they have the note: Also, if you own the Retrofit version of a ship, you'll get a Fleet Ship Module discount when buying the Fleet version, similar to existing ships.

    But you could then have the following consoles:

    The T'varo Warbird Refit comes with a universal Singularity Stabilizer console. The Singularity Stabilizer will immediately bring an offline Singularity meter back online. In addition, using it provides a gradual boost to Singularity power over the next several seconds.

    The T'varo Light Warbird Retrofit comes with a universal Plasma Destabilizer console. This console allows you to launch a massive slow moving Destabilized Plasma Torpedo. This torpedo can be targeted and attacked, but it is much more resilient than a standard High Yield torpedo. Note that this is a console, not a weapon.


    So the Fleet T'varo would do the typical +10% Shield, +10% Hull, and +1 Console.

    T'varo Light Warbird Retrofit
    Base Hull: 30000
    Shield Modifier: 0.9
    Base Crew: 150
    Base Turn: 18
    Device Slots: 3
    Weapons: 4/3
    Power: +15
    Singularity Abilities: 40 Base Power, Plasma Shockwave, Quantum Absorption, Warp Shadows, Singularity Jump, Singularity Overcharge
    Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak

    X, X, X, X
    X, X
    X

    X, X, X
    X, X

    Consoles: 4 Tac, 3 Eng, 2 Sci

    So...add the +10% Hull, +10% Shield, and +1 Console (which do you think they'll add?) and you'd have the Fleet T'varo Retrofit.

    I have a curious desire to run one with Bio-Molecular Warhead Launchers (one of the new weapons)...
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Really see no reason to ally my New rom toon with the Klinks... there is no upside.

    Plasmonic Leech
    Aceton Assimilator
    Elite Fleet Disruptors
    Cheaper AMS
    Cheaper Nadeon
    Cheaper PDS

    Sexier Costumes
    No ESD
    No /facepalm listening to comments by Feds in Ker'rat

    The list goes on and on...

    :)
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'm personally not planning on playing a romulan...but it let's me wonder, if PvP won't turn in either cloak or don't play gameplay...
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    I'm personally not planning on playing a romulan...but it let's me wonder, if PvP won't turn in either cloak or don't play gameplay...

    You've got a Nebula as your avatar, man...

    I've been working on my Fed Sci as a snooper, trying to maximize Stealth Detection. Sure, it currently makes him useless in PvE or in FvF - and while he'll remain useless in PvE, whether he's doing FvF or FvK...he's going to have fun playing peekaboo with folks that are stealthing.

    But yeah, can definitely see the concern there. Will PvP be full of AFKers or "Dil/Marks Efficient Suicide Commandos"...and folks that are just cloaked, eh?
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You've got a Nebula as your avatar, man...

    I've been working on my Fed Sci as a snooper, trying to maximize Stealth Detection. Sure, it currently makes him useless in PvE or in FvF - and while he'll remain useless in PvE, whether he's doing FvF or FvK...he's going to have fun playing peekaboo with folks that are stealthing.

    But yeah, can definitely see the concern there. Will PvP be full of AFKers or "Dil/Marks Efficient Suicide Commandos"...and folks that are just cloaked, eh?

    And what, I like it's shape ? You think some ability that improves stealh detecting by 2,5km every 3 minutes will magically make a difference ? :o beside, I play tac, as I cannot bring myself to grind more mules to all stuff that is needed nowadays.

    You you hit the nail with the last paragraph. What is worse than afker ? cloaked afker.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Plasmonic Leech
    Aceton Assimilator
    Elite Fleet Disruptors
    Cheaper AMS
    Cheaper Nadeon
    Cheaper PDS

    Sexier Costumes
    No ESD
    No /facepalm listening to comments by Feds in Ker'rat

    The list goes on and on...

    :)

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    Cheese (likely in the rom lock box anyway or the one right after)
    Cheese and would never touch them on princible ... and there pointless if noone does FvK ever again... or as much as we do now. Wicked weapons for 2-3 matches a day rock. ;)
    Have it
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well you can claim fed/kdf T1-T4 ships for consoles. So no need for lockboxes :-))
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  • number1romulannumber1romulan Member Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Wait 10% of the Rom ships don't have Battle Cloak ?

    Ohhh you mean the one that has Enhanced Battle Cloak. ;)

    Ya klinks get the shaft here pretty hard I think.

    Really see no reason to ally my New rom toon with the Klinks... there is no upside.

    I can roll Fed and have 90% more pve content should I care... and 90% more pvp matches.

    One thing I do notice though... another faction with no science ships, unless I'm missing something.

    Do the Feds have the Monopoly on Science for some reason ?

    The interesting thing is that - the inherent trait + rep gear + Rommie boffs will reduce CD of battle clock so much it will become almost like every ship with an enchance battle cloak.

    The fleet D'Deridex - maxed hull will be 60K - so no real worry about being taken out while cloaking under fire.

    even fleet Mogai @ about 48k hull maxed will be pretty safe cloaking and decloaking while under fire.

    don't really have to time things as well like in a cardboard KDF bop

    So basically you can buff up - alpha - decloak - destroy the target and you are ready to cloak again - rinse and repeat.

    (from launch on in - every Fed/romulan premade is going to want a Fleet Nebula with detection grid on their team)
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Its the end of KDF pretty much anyway, i could only see a few minor benefits to stick to KDF.

    Ppl will play alot more rommy now :D

    It was always given that many would play rommie since it is the new shiny.

    That first warbird looks mean with a balance between offensive and defensive Boffs and a good turn rate.

    The D'derick looks like it has too much engineering.

    The last warbird is a MVAM style ship? Now that is a little upsetting based on coolness factor and considrring that Misterd3 once pointed to a soft canon reference of the KDF having MVAM type of vrssel as well.

    Looks like the RSE is certainly primed to attract as many as possible from its design.
    I dont think it'll be the death of the KDF though.
    In the end fand will play that which they are fans of and all others will play what suits them or what they think will give them the best advantage in the game.

    I plan to make a Reman and Romalun toon though I dont know about buying the Legacy pack. I do have an event to celebrate and will have the money but I could also spend it on a ViP access to a local beerfest and spend the day drinking endless gourmet and rare beers while eating fine catered food.

    I am vexed. Terribly terribly vexed.

    Regardless pf all that I will always play my Klingons first and consider my dusty fed and future RsE ranger buddies alts.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I got an invite to RSEb but cant try it till tomorrow.

    I do wonder when the first RsTO reference will pop up due to the sheer number of rom ships one will see ingame will happen? 2-4 after May?
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  • pokersmith1pokersmith1 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If the D'Deridax indeed has a turn rate of 2, they just made her immune to gravitic anchor :p
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    If the D'Deridax indeed has a turn rate of 2, they just made her immune to gravitic anchor :p

    It has 5.5
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  • cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I don't know of a single fleet mate who respects the armitage or galaxy. They are all friends with or are themselves serious pvpers with alts in a reputable pvp fleet. Those guys wouldn't be caught dead in an excelsior either. The Battle cloak is balanced by terrible bridge officer seatings. A good bop pilot can live through his window most of the time, and a good escort can burst a fed cruiser down in that time too. I have hope that these ships will be balanced.
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cidstorm wrote: »
    I don't know of a single fleet mate who respects the armitage or galaxy. They are all friends with or are themselves serious pvpers with alts in a reputable pvp fleet. Those guys wouldn't be caught dead in an excelsior either. The Battle cloak is balanced by terrible bridge officer seatings. A good bop pilot can live through his window most of the time, and a good escort can burst a fed cruiser down in that time too. I have hope that these ships will be balanced.

    So then when would the Klingon ships get "balanced". Less hull and shields and a crappier cloak? And not all the romulan ships have bad Bo layouts
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    So then when would the Klingon ships get "balanced". Less hull and shields and a crappier cloak? And not all the romulan ships have bad Bo layouts

    Cmon mai, less hull and shields ? and what about the turn rate ? stat that is much more valuable. Which klingon ships are crappy ? The cloak is basically a free console with no drawback.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Cmon mai, less hull and shields ? and what about the turn rate ? stat that is much more valuable. Which klingon ships are crappy ? The cloak is basically a free console with no drawback.

    LOL don't be silly now...

    The only ship that has a far superior turn rate is a bop... and that is hardly a fair comparison when the best bops barely break 30k in hull... and to get one over 10k in shielding you would need to slot 3 field gens and be running a Covariant.

    Does cloak trade fairly for that stuff... YES it does... but lets be honest about the specs on these new romulan ships... they have layouts that a good majority of Bops would run anyway... with the hull and shielding of a fed escort. :)

    I know you are refering to cruisers... cause thats what ever Fed says when they say the klink ships are balanced... bu bu bu battle cruisers.

    Battle cruisers aren't near as fantastic as most fed players would seem to believe.

    The galx isn't that far off spec wise from the battle cruisers... sure its a few points lower in turn. Still its not that much different int terms of usability. Fact is cannons aren't that effective on a cruiser after the first decloak no matter what ship your running. How so many terrible fed players manage to stay in the arc of a battle cruiser long enough to die is beyond me. :)
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  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Cmon mai, less hull and shields ? and what about the turn rate ? stat that is much more valuable. Which klingon ships are crappy ? The cloak is basically a free console with no drawback.

    Oh right! Good thing you brought up turn rate. The Rommie ships all seem to have good turn rates too.

    So hull+shields of fed ships with cloak but better and turn rate of Klingon ships.



    When's the Klingons ships getting a buff?
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'm not saying klingon ships are OP, I'm just saying they aren't any worse than fed ships, just with different + and -. Feds have better escorts, klingons have better cruisers. Klingons have Bops...feds have...well aquarius...
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    I'm not saying klingon ships are OP, I'm just saying they aren't any worse than fed ships, just with different + and -. Feds have better escorts, klingons have better cruisers. Klingons have Bops...feds have...well aquarius...

    Feds have real escorts.... and sci ships ;)
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  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    I'm not saying klingon ships are OP, I'm just saying they aren't any worse than fed ships, just with different + and -. Feds have better escorts, klingons have better cruisers. Klingons have Bops...feds have...well aquarius...

    Who's saying Klingon ships are op? I'm pointing out that romulan ships are getting all the bests from both races and no downsides.

    So I've been asking when Klingons are gonna get a buff so they aren't completely outclassed for no reason
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
    Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
    Do you even Science Bro?
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Well those romulan ships have -40 power total. The question is, if thats enough.
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  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Well those romulan ships have -40 power total. The question is, if thats enough.

    And the cores add some of it back?

    And that makes anything that's efficient a little better and its already insanely easy to keep multiple powers at max so a -10 to each power really isn't that big a loss...
    mancom wrote: »
    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
    Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
    Do you even Science Bro?
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