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Oh boy... Elite Fleet Pets

praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
edited June 2013 in PvP Gameplay
It's about to get a whole lot worse.

As if Danubes with their Tractors weren't bad enough, now they get Tractor Beam 3 and Eject (Tetryon) Warp Plasma.

wtf.

http://i.imgur.com/hwLHSBB.jpg

Danubes get TB 3 + EWP 3, whereas Type 10s get Phaser Arrays, Micro Photons, and Polarize 1? How are these pets even balanced amongst themselves?

These are the stats for the player Tetryon Cloud, except very similar (if not the same) for the NPC version:
Ejects Tetryon Plasma Cloud:
-90% Turn Rate
-66% Impulse Speed
Disables Cloak
50% chance: Disable Engines
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  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    some of the pets sound worse... dont the very rare fed fighters currently have quad cannons?


    -_-

    and yay the type 10 gets a torpedo! finally still useless!
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  • guriphuguriphu Member Posts: 494 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    lolspace

    More invisible ewp for us to get stuck in because STO's graphics aren't capable of displaying it until you're actually in it.
  • paradise1killerparadise1killer Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    A lot of the pets look barely buff while some look over buffed. Fighters got squat and friget type of ships got massive buff. If this is so cant wait to see BoP and Fek'Ihri.
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I hate it how the shuttles didn't get mines, but the danubes got a whole new can of whoopass!

    Gonna be so lolworthy spraying EWP1 everywhere together with my pets...

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  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    That is rediculous... the Danube's TB is enough... but this... the Yellow Stone is a movement debuff nightmare.
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    On the other hand, most people carry HE1 these days thanks to romulan plasma spam. While the buff is up, you cannot be slowed.

    Also, more reason to run full Assimilated now.

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  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    johnny111971 wrote: »
    That is rediculous... the Danube's TB is enough... but this... the Yellow Stone is a movement debuff nightmare.

    Yep.

    And to think, the Vesta can pop these out while still effectively coating the engagement area with GW 3 and EWP. With it's own Tractors to go with it.
  • edna#7310 edna
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    edited April 2013
    I think this thread should be in the PvE section...pets are not Players just saying :rolleyes:

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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Maybe this will catch me a lot of flak, but...

    That Runabout is WAY WAY worse than any Power Siphon drone. Heck, if anything Danoobs are gonna be the perfect way to counter Siphons (and really any carrier spam) now.

    Plus the ridiculous fact that they will be using tractor beam 3 on people left and right, so even if you pop HE or PH to escape one, you'll have to hit the other to escape from both.

    Isn't that wonderful? You'll HAVE to carry PH and HE just to counter the sheer amount of debuffs from those PETS.

    And folks think that FvK is bad.


    Oh, and let's not forget the BATTLE CLOAK on those Stalker fighters.



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  • thegrimcorsairthegrimcorsair Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Elite Peregrine's getting CRF 1 and not HYT will probably still have them playing second fiddle to Elite Scorpions.

    The Elite Stalkers could make for some spiffy shennanigans, given they have Battle Cloak and can kill Aux/Cloak like the dickens.

    The Elite Mesh Weavers have Attack Pattern Beta 3 and Fire-at-Will. Eww.

    Elite Jem Fighters with DEM 3 might add up to nasty (pair with Mesh Weavers and Scorpions for massive hull-hit potential).

    Elite Type 10 Shuttles have the same PH1 and twin Phaser Arrays of the Advanced, and gain a micro-photon torp. Nothing to see here, move along.

    Elite Shield Repair Units, now with even more hull, maybe enough to make them worth using over the EC variants? At 100k Fleet Credits and 45k dilithium? Not bloody likely!

    Elite Delta Flyers get Tachyon Beam 3, no change to the Phaser Array or Transphasic torp noted. Yay for a bit more shield peeling?

    Elite Jem Attack Ships get Beam Overload 2 and CRF 3... those would seem to be working at cross purposes, but will probably still be punchy when the attack command is given to two full groups of them.

    Elite Yellowstone Runabouts with Tractor Beam 3 and Tetryon Warp Plasma. Hey, uh, if anyone said even Cryptic wouldn't be looney enough to do that... well... maybe gravy will make the crow taste better....
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  • theeishtmotheeishtmo Member Posts: 236 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Mesh Weavers and Bugs are going to be restricted enough not to be too much of an issue in most cases.

    Stalkers having battlecloak just ups their survivability (which is poor now), but likely won't make too much of a difference.

    Poor Type 10s, no one ever uses you, and no one ever will.

    Only the Yellowstone is overly dangerous and advantageous to the Feds. The rest is more meh.

    It's still not an even field vs the Klingon fighters. BoPs, Slavers, the Felkari frigs and power siphon drones are far more useful than anything except the Yellowstones, and then it's only an even match.

    Still would love it if the there was a reason to use Type 10s. Maybe they should drop mines or come out in larger numbers or something. Maybe even have them do their own boarding party actions. That would be nifty.
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  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    theeishtmo wrote: »
    The Mesh Weavers and Bugs are going to be restricted enough not to be too much of an issue in most cases.

    Stalkers having battlecloak just ups their survivability (which is poor now), but likely won't make too much of a difference.

    Poor Type 10s, no one ever uses you, and no one ever will.

    Only the Yellowstone is overly dangerous and advantageous to the Feds. The rest is more meh.

    It's still not an even field vs the Klingon fighters. BoPs, Slavers, the Felkari frigs and power siphon drones are far more useful than anything except the Yellowstones, and then it's only an even match.

    Still would love it if the there was a reason to use Type 10s. Maybe they should drop mines or come out in larger numbers or something. Maybe even have them do their own boarding party actions. That would be nifty.


    It doesn't matter if their not on an even field those things were deadly enough with a tractor beam to up the quality of the tractor and bring in an EWP is just insane

    Klink pets are great for PVE but apart from power siphons which due to several nerfs take a missively specialised build to use they aren't on par from a strategic point of view
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  • mrkollinsmrkollins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Who needs Space when you have so much swag?

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  • xiphenonxiphenon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    theeishtmo wrote: »
    It's still not an even field vs the Klingon fighters. BoPs, Slavers, the Felkari frigs and power siphon drones are far more useful than anything except the Yellowstones, and then it's only an even match.

    And now comapre the actual ships on Klingon side with hangar bays and the ships on Fed side with hangar bays ...

    I would say having the armitage and the vesta makes Fed >>>>> klink.
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    praxi5 wrote: »
    It's about to get a whole lot worse.

    As if Danubes with their Tractors weren't bad enough, now they get Tractor Beam 3 and Eject (Tetryon) Warp Plasma.

    wtf.

    http://i.imgur.com/hwLHSBB.jpg

    Danubes get TB 3 + EWP 3, whereas Type 10s get Phaser Arrays, Micro Photons, and Polarize 1? How are these pets even balanced amongst themselves?

    These are the stats for the player Tetryon Cloud, except very similar (if not the same) for the NPC version:
    Ejects Tetryon Plasma Cloud:
    -90% Turn Rate
    -66% Impulse Speed
    Disables Cloak
    50% chance: Disable Engines

    I don't know that Cryptic are thinking on this one - seriously out the park. Can they not extrapolate this out further?

    Cannot see how a group of anyone can develop this, get together to "test" something like this, and not be dazzled by the obvious effects. {SIGH}
  • havamhavam Member Posts: 1,735 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    elite fleet shields, new traits, eptx, new pets, ... all of this just has to be trolling.

    I m done with PvP for a while. Well done systems.

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  • kalvorax#3775 kalvorax
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    edited April 2013
    a freaking BATTLE-CLOAK for elite stalkers......makes them that much more awesome XD

    grr...i STILL want a recluse lol only about 1/3 of the way their in lobi and 1/2 way there in EC.

    those Mesh weavers sound cool..unless they are still broken.

    25m from TFS...I'll have to ask if that is per pet or a one time thing.

    so 200k FC and 90k dilth for a full compliment...or ONE type...that is just a PITA.
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited April 2013
    Putting EWP on a pet is a stupidly bad idea.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,331 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cynder2012 wrote: »
    a freaking BATTLE-CLOAK for elite stalkers......makes them that much more awesome XD

    grr...i STILL want a recluse lol only about 1/3 of the way their in lobi and 1/2 way there in EC.

    those Mesh weavers sound cool..unless they are still broken.

    im a little scared at what people may charge for access to these pets lol.

    so 200k FC and 90k dilth for a full compliment...or ONE type...that is just a PITA.

    If you wanna know how much they want for access I can tell you. Its 25mil. So you're probably better off waiting till your fleet or another gets them for cheaper.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    it would sorta barely be ok if they dropped a single puff every minute or so, has anyone seen them in action yet?
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  • guriphuguriphu Member Posts: 494 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Clearly the solution is to give them Beam Target Engines 3 and Graviton Pulse, too, so that Omegas won't let you move, either. We wouldn't want there to be imbalance between sci and tac powers!
  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Where are my Elite Interceptors? They're so underp- underpow- lol I can't even get it out. NVM me.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Pets with
    Rapid fire 3
    Dem 3
    Tractor 3
    Tetryon warp plasma ? I have no idea wtf that is but it sounds extremely stupid
    Faw 3 +beta 3 WTF
    BC + MES on one pet ? Why even lol Do these guys even pay any attention or just randomly throw TRIBBLE on these things

    Good game Cryptic. lol
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  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    it would sorta barely be ok if they dropped a single puff every minute or so, has anyone seen them in action yet?

    Maaaaaaybe one little 'pulse' of EWP (not the whole long chain) MIGHT be ok.

    But, from what it currently looks like, it's a copy of the player ability (available from the shuttle engines).

    And then there's the fact that there's going to be 8 of these little turds flying around pooping everywhere.
  • maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    praxi5 wrote: »
    Maaaaaaybe one little 'pulse' of EWP (not the whole long chain) MIGHT be ok.

    But, from what it currently looks like, it's a copy of the player ability (available from the shuttle engines).

    And then there's the fact that there's going to be 8 of these little turds flying around pooping everywhere.

    maybe theyll "balance" it out by not allowing all the pets to drop their gas at once but instead chain it all! :P -sarcasim-
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  • hroothvitnirhroothvitnir Member Posts: 322
    edited April 2013
    I'm developing a firmer belief every day that systems "balances" by a algorithm similar to "Get drunk on whiskey then grab tacks from a bad with random values on them and finished with walk to wall with whatever they have to work on that week and then while blindfolded stick the tack to the wall.

    Only way I can explain some of these things.
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Even with their 'nerf', Danubes still use their Tractors with alarming frequency. And those Chronitons proc a bunch too, considering there's 4-8 of those things being shot at you.

    Now these things have a longer duration TB and get an EWP to boot.

    Even if some sort of high CD was implemented on the EWP, you'd just have to pump out new ones (which is what... ~30 seconds with high Aux and no DOffs?) to have that CD reset on the fresh ones.
  • crownvic2doorcrownvic2door Member Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I was in PVP against a guy that was outfitted to the hilt with awesome stuff, he had fighters, those tractor beam drone things TONS of !@#$ Torpedo's AND was quite the tank...also could telaport himself behind me, I still managed to get him a few times and barely won the match, I was actually working very hard to just stay alive in my Kumari...Mines and turrets go a long way to help fight against such enemy's make sure your weapons have a decent [Acc] and the Romulan consoles and cutting beam also add Plasma to weapons that do not have plasma...Keep this in mind for next time.
  • thepleasuredomethepleasuredome Member Posts: 308
    edited April 2013
    Well looks like this game is becoming more unfun by the day.

    Good thing I dropped by


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  • thegrimcorsairthegrimcorsair Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Tetryon warp plasma ? I have no idea wtf that is but it sounds extremely stupid

    EWP sans damage component.
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