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Fleet Norgh, Fleet HoH'SuS, or B'Rel Retrofit

benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
edited May 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Looking to grab a tier 5 BoP

Which one, and why.

Discuss.

OH, and I don't care for Torp Boats, they get too redundant IMHO.
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  • buddha1369buddha1369 Member Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Fleet Hos all the way for me, it deals great damage and is alot tougher than it looks. But I run my bop for damage
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    buddha1369 wrote: »
    Fleet Hos all the way for me, it deals great damage and is alot tougher than it looks. But I run my bop for damage

    And that's what I go for, Damage.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Actually, I too would like to know if anyone has any opinions on the fleet Norgh (Ning'tao) to share as compared to other BoPs and it's general performance. And I don't care about the Hoh'SuS, cause I make a policy of not flying ships that I can't look at. And the Hoh'SuS IMHO is as ugly as they come.

    Although I'm still at the halfway of fully fleshing out and equipping my B'rel retrofit so it could shine, I don't agree that the torpedo boats are redundant. I'm certain that quite a few KDF players on these forums would agree with me. I've seen videos of B'rel retrofits that obliterate Odyssey cruisers in one pass when comandeered by a capable and experienced captain.
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  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Norgh BoP, best BoP.

    Seriously, the additional LTC boff is worth a lot.
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  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hosus - massive damage/spike capability

    Norge - still high damage but has more ways to implement it or heal itself

    Brel - best to stick with torpedoes on this one if your a tac it will work a treat or used as a science debuffing machine never had any luck in PVE content with it as you fight with your hull

    If I had the choice I'd buy the hosus but that could just be down to laziness as the Brel takes a lot more practice and timing

    The Norgh can be made a great ship don't get me wrong
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  • generator88generator88 Member Posts: 698 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Actually, I too would like to know if anyone has any opinions on the fleet Norgh (Ning'tao) to share as compared to other BoPs and it's general performance. And I don't care about the Hoh'SuS, cause I make a policy of not flying ships that I can't look at. And the Hoh'SuS IMHO is as ugly as they come.

    Although I'm still at the halfway of fully fleshing out and equipping my B'rel retrofit so it could shine, I don't agree that the torpedo boats are redundant. I'm certain that quite a few KDF players on these forums would agree with me. I've seen videos of B'rel retrofits that obliterate Odyssey cruisers in one pass when comandeered by a capable and experienced captain.

    Here's the take-home I've taken home on the fleet Ningtao. Look at the bridge of, say, a Heghta. One of the Lt's will be sitting at a LC station instead. So basically, that LC-level ability is what you're paying for. You've got to be able to justify the ability in that slot and say, "This choice is helping me blow dudes up in such-and-such manner."

    Whatever artist designed the Hohsus did not have his finest hour while doing that work, sorry (as opposed to the Ningtao, which regularly makes me gawk).

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  • dontphasemedontphaseme Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    buddha1369 wrote: »
    Fleet Hos all the way for me, it deals great damage and is alot tougher than it looks. But I run my bop for damage
    ^ This.


    Oh and to people saying the HoH'SuS is ugly... its the face of fed death!
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    The B'rel is a Priest of Death and Horrors.

    I agree (I'm also a proud owner of one).
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  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    I chose on the HoH'SuS for the BoP on my Engie, overall it's a great ship. A real death dealer, especially when I jump escorts.:D
  • howiedizzlehowiedizzle Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'm stunned how many people can't find a way to take advantage of a 2nd Lt Cmdr boff slot... Where's the imagination??? We're not feds here... "Man I took the Ho'Sus, I was so tired of waiting a full 2 seconds to lay waste to someone in an alpha strike, I got that sh*t down to 1.8 secs now, like a boss..."
  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You'd be surprised how useful a 4th tactical console can be. I can't tell ya how many times I've decloak-attacked someone in my Hegh'ta, only to have them cling on with 5-10% of their hull left after my alpha's finished. It's infuriating. A 4th tactical console would eliminate that little bit of uncertainty.

    At the same time, a 2nd LTC boff station is dead useful. I can think of half-a-dozen things I'd use that station for.

    It's all about what you prefer. If you want a boost to your DPS, go with the Fleet Hoh'sus. If you want an extra BOFF ability to use, go with the Fleet Ning'tao.
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  • howiedizzlehowiedizzle Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    How about opening up an alpha on a target in Tractor Beam 3??? Same pew pew, much improved when the target has ~0 defense...
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'd plug for the B'rel in a romulan plasma build. I have too many universal consoles!!


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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    khayuung wrote: »
    I'd plug for the B'rel in a romulan plasma build. I have too many universal consoles!!

    Hopefully we don't see a patch note saying... NPC's hit with plasma weapons now automatically use hazard emitters LOL.

    In all seriousness though for the OP.

    B'rel: You will be the best mosquito in the game unless you are coordinating with team efforts where you will have shieldless facings in PvE where a target has enough hull where it will matter for a team to benefit from having decent amounts of kinetic damage coming from your ship and turn to recloak as soon as the target like a tactical cube or gateway takes you to being the strongest threat. As far as PvP its about as useless as bringing a balloon gun to a stf.

    Norgh: You have 9 consoles like any free ship or c-store ship on KDF side. The 10th console most you usually get is replaced by the 3rd LC universal boff power you don't get on any other bop.

    HoH'SuS: Its about the ugliest thing I've ever seen and makes the kar'fi look like a ship super model. However most ppl first ask is there some act of god that I can get it to look something other than the flying go'kart look? The answer is no but it is the only bop with 4 tactical consoles. As well being that the federation side dictates what we are allowed to have on the KDF side I doubt we will ever see a 5 tactical console bop or raptor so as far as bops goes this HoH'SuS is the most offensive ship you'll get as far as % raw damage before resistance are applied.

    Hegh'Ta once you get down to getting some fleet modules this once heavy(highest hull bop) now looks like it belongs in a museum.

    So there are your choices young warrior... Let the wheel spin and see what you win!
  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2013
    I decided on the HoH'SuS, with Borg Deflector it's looks evil lol!

    On my new Tac I'll be grabbing the Fleet Ning'Tao :P
  • rdm1958rdm1958 Member Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    should hit T4 tonight on our kdf fleetbase. i have been trying to decide which ship to get.

    unlike a lot of you i think the fleet hoh'sus looks super tough and cool. originally that was the ship i wanted. then i got to looking at the fleet b'rel.

    a very knowledgeable guy in our fleet did not have many good comments about the b'rel. he likes the norgh.

    after reading the posts here i am now leaning towards the fleet hoh'sus again.

    would still like to see more opinions from klingon warriors, especially anyone that is from a T5 fleet that has these ships.
  • tsf00181tsf00181 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I have the Hoh'sus on one Klingon. Its a fun ship, definitely go this route if you want raw DPS, its de-cloading alpha strike can be devastating. Sure its ugly, but its looks have grown on me. Honestly, with the battlecloak and 4 consoles, this is probably going to be the highest DPS ship the KDF is ever going to get in the raider department.

    I might grab a Fleet Ning'Tao soon. I have a new Alien character that I just doffed up to 50, haven't decided if he will be a Klingon Raider or a Leathean Pirate. If he becomes a raider I plan on sticking him in the Ning'Tao and running it with high sci powers as a controller. Haven't really spec'd the guy either so my options are open.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    naevius wrote: »
    Norgh BoP, best BoP.

    Seriously, the additional LTC boff is worth a lot.

    The 2 supporting LtCdr Universal BOFF stations mean everything for that BOP. You can come up with a strong combination knowing that you could put another good, strong ability in that extra slot. Whether you decide on something like Tractor Beams, DEM2, or some other BOFF skill that you wish you could cram into a BOP.

    The Fleet Norgh is for those BOP captains that toyed with different builds, but always came to a point where, "Man, if I could have just 1 more ability here, I can make this shine the way I want." This BOP is for creative, fancy builds.

    Stat-wise, nothing wrong with the Fleet Hoh'Sus. 4 TAC Console slots makes it on par with Raptors in raw firepower (but not ruggedness). If all you want is straight damage, it is the safest, most direct road to that. But personally, wouldn't catch me flying one. It looks awful.

    The Fleet B'Rel... I have and love the B'Rel retrofit already. I will get this bird to when it becomes available to my fleet... which is going to be quite a while away. Basically everything that the B'Rel retrofit is, with some improvements but a weirdly placed extra console with the Engineer slots. I could see Science or Tac, but Eng? Not exactly what BOPs are built for. Still, an extra console is an extra console, and I can stuff a Universal one in that spot. Since it builds upon the traits of the B'Rel retrofit, if you didn't like that ship to begin with, there's no reason to get the Fleet version. But if you have the B'Rel retrofit like I do and love it, then it's not a bad route to check the Fleet version out.
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  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Look, its a simple thing:


    B'rel is good only for torpedo boating and as a kick-TRIBBLE science ship. Its enhanced cloak dictates this to be the ONLY viable builds for this bird of prey.

    Hoh'sus is your bread and butter bird of prey with the added benefit of an extra tactical console. This ship is good for the standard cookie cutter builds: The pure cannon build and the dual beam+2 torpedo+1 dual heavy cannon (decloak+atk omega 3+tractor beam 1 + beam overload 3+high yield torp 1&2 +cannon rapid fire 1 under 3km range).

    Fleet Ning'tao is the multi-build bird of prey. Its extra lt cmdr console more than compensates for not having the hoh'sus' 4th tac slot as you can concoct a very deadly mix of abilities to toss at a target all at once. The damage bonuses there are much higher than a 4th tactical console.
  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The Hoh'sus is as ugly as sin. Whoever thought of designing massive spindly wings must have been sniffing glue at the time.

    The Norgh is your good all rounder.

    The B'rel is your epic Troll Ship. Anyone who claims that these are no good has never owned one. Yes you have low hull hit points, but lets face it. If you were flying a Hoh'sus or a norgh, and you were being pummeled by enemy fire, It doesnt really make much difference. With the Buff cloak, you can have no end of fun as a torp boat. I also go for full cannons with my brel, andd it works fine as a cannon boat, especially with the quad disruptor cannons as well.
  • canisanubiscanisanubis Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    They ALL have the same hull/shield hit points, or http://sto.gamepedia.com/Klingon_playable_starship is a liar. The only drawback on the B'rel is smaller crew, but if you're relying on crew to repair your raider in a fight, I've got some bad news for you. In point of fact, the Fleet B'rel should be the toughest of the batch, given the extra engineering console. Even with only 24,750 hull, stacking 4 Neutronium Alloy Consoles should let you stand up to a LITTLE pummeling. Better than the Fleet Ning'tao or Hoh'sus, at any rate.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I have the Fleet Hoh'SuS and Fleet B'rel, I like both and use them a lot. My Hoh'Sus is used for spiking down targets after decloaking and tractoring then hitting with BO and HY, the B'rel is an all torpedo boat. The B'rel like others said, is the ultimate troll ship, the amount of lulz I have gotten at unfortunate Feds expense made this ship well worth the price many times over:D Its so fun its worth making a character that does nothing but use this ship only and stays logged off at or near kerrat all the time.

    The Norgh is also good, I just don't need the extra lt Cmdr boff slot myself for any of my builds and I don't like the way the wings are shaped, but can be a good choice if you have a build in mind that needs that slot.

    In order of what ships you should try I would say

    1. B'rel

    2. Hoh'Sus

    3. Norgh
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