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RRW Fleet Ship Speculation

virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
edited April 2013 in PvP Gameplay
With over 40 days left to go until release - with the actual information on the ships not likely until late April or early May - with the curious state of twiddling thumbs that exists... how about some speculation on what the RRW Fleet Ships will be?

Fleet T'liss (Raider)
Hull - 24750
Shield Mod - 0.88
Weapons - 4 Fore/2 Aft
Crew - 75
Devices - 2
Consoles - 3 Tac/3 Eng/3 Sci
Turn - 22
Impulse Mod - 0.20
Inertia - 70
Bonus Power - +15 Weapon
Abilities - Battle Cloak
BOFF Layout
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X, X
X, X


Fleet Dhelan (Escort)
Hull - 33000
Shield Mod - 0.9
Weapons - 4 Fore/3 Aft
Crew - 50
Devices - 2
Consoles - 5 Tac/3 Eng/2 Sci
Turn - 17
Impulse Mod - 0.20
Inertia - 70
Bonus Power - +15 Weapon
Abilities - Cloak
BOFF Layout
X, X, X, X
X, X, X
X

X, X
X, X

Fleet Mogai (Destroyer)
Hull - 37950
Shield Mod - 0.92
Weapons - 4 Fore/3 Aft
Crew - 100
Devices - 2
Consoles - 4 Tac/3 Eng/3 Sci
Turn - 14
Impulse Mod - 0.22
Inertia - 70
Bonus Power - +10 Weapon
Abilities - Battle Cloak
BOFF Layout
X, X, X, X
X, X
X, X
X, X, X
X


Fleet D'Deridex (Battle Cruiser)
Hull - 42900
Shield Mod - 1.1
Weapons - 4 Fore/4 Aft
Crew - 1200
Devices - 3
Consoles - 4 Tac/4 Eng/2 Sci
Turn - 9
Impulse Mod - 0.15
Inertia - 25
Bonus Power - +10 Weapon, +5 Shield, +5 Engine
Abilities - Cloak
BOFF Layout
X, X, X
X

X, X, X, X
X, X

X, X

Fleet Ha'apax (Dreadnought)
Hull - 44000
Shield Mod - 1.1
Weapons - 4 Fore/4 Aft
Crew - 1000
Devices - 4
Consoles - 3 Tac/4 Eng/3 Sci
Turn - 6
Impulse Mod - 0.15
Inertia - 25
Bonus Power - +5 All
Abilities - Cloak
BOFF Layout
X, X
X

X, X, X, X
X, X, X

X, X

Wait, Virus - you cheated. That's just a Fleet Norgh, Fleet Defiant, Fleet Peghqu' (/cough), Fleet Assault Negh'Var (/cough), and a Fleet Galaxy-X (/cough)...

...um - yep. :)

But don't forget, they'll all have that Singularity Core thing going for them - which from the sound of it is a build up power thing - whether there's a Rage counter, little dots above our avatar we have to build up, etc, etc, etc - there's going to be something going on where the more we fight, the supposedly better we'll get.

That alone could make what I posted way off, eh?

A faction that many thought was going to be a Sci faction - kind of looks like it's going to be the most Tac faction. I mean, they're looking like they're going to be so Tac that the KDF will look Sci...
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    i doubt the fleet Dhelan will be a defiant, probably more like a mvam or armatige with a cloak

    the D'D i think is going to be a negvar with a commander sci for some reason. also maybe a LTC tac, and 2 LT eng with a universal ens. with sci ship hull and shields with a 9 turn. so kinda like a nebula that more tac heavy, but with 4/4 weapons and a battle cloak. i bet warbirds are gonna be real different like that.

    so like this- fleet level D'Deridex

    31,000 hull
    1.43 shield mod
    4/4 weapons
    9 turn
    20 inertia
    battle cloak
    DHC equipable
    COM sci
    LTC tac
    LT eng
    LT eng

    ENS uni
    3/4/3 consoles

    ... or maybe an LTC eng too with no ENS station
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    This part from the Blog#3:

    "The Singularity Warp Core can build power as the Romulan ship engages in combat, and then utilize this power to produce one of several devastating effects on the battlefield."

    We can see hints of these in the Dil Store on Tribble...

    Singularity Jump
    Singularity Overcharge
    Warp Shadow
    Plasma Shockwave
    Singularity Shielding

    ...because the various Singularity Cores improve those different abilities.

    Course, that begs the question of how quickly one builds power - it's one thing in PvE - in PvP though?

    Still, will the SC abilities reduce what's otherwise available - will stats be lowered to offer some form of balance - etc, etc, etc?
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013

    Fleet T'liss (Raider)
    Hull - 24750
    Shield Mod - 0.88
    Weapons - 4 Fore/2 Aft
    Crew - 75
    Devices - 2
    Consoles - 3 Tac/3 Eng/3 Sci
    Turn - 22
    Impulse Mod - 0.20
    Inertia - 70
    Bonus Power - +15 Weapon
    Abilities - Battle Cloak
    BOFF Layout
    X, X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X, X
    X, X

    I doubt they will just copy the Norg. I mean I love the norg don't get me wrong fantastic ship.

    Really though the romulan ship will be better then the norg for sure. The only real question is how much better... will it get a ensign as well... or 3 rear weapons... or will it get a +10 weapon + 10 Aux with Science ship Sensor Ann + Sub targeting and a 1.0 shield mod.

    Whatever it gets I'm sure it will be more then just some gimmick skills... I expect the stats are also going to be >.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    See that's the thing - will they be better stats? You're taking X, Y, & Z ship and adding those Singularity abilities. Will they balance for them or will they just add them?

    Also, have to figure there are going to be other Romulan ships outside of those 5 listed in the blog.

    Heck, there's the T'varo Light Warbird as well as the T'liss.

    You can see the T'varo along with the D'Deridex and Mogai in encounters - the Dhelan is part of the Romulan Flotilla in Tau Dewa (Tribble). The T'liss and D'Deridex are there as well. The Ha'apax isn't there, mind you. The T'varo is one of the four ships on the screenshot over on the LoR site.

    There's another boat on the LoR site (next image) which isn't in the game or the blog either.

    Have to figure that there will be T1-T5 Fleet ships as well...will be interesting to see how many actual ships they drop in the game for them - plus, whatever ships they add down the road.

    But again, they've said they're looking at having all factions on somewhat equal footing. The Romulans might have shiny new toys...but that doesn't mean they'll be the best toys.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    That's my point I firmly believe they will add the junk + make the ships better.

    I think the real question is this.

    Will the ships be limited to Romulan toons ?

    My bet is no they won't.

    They have been talking about higher tier ships for awhile... and I think the rom ships will pretty much be the start of it. No they won't be limited to Roms... and they won't need to add a ton of leveling rom ships cause people will be leveling fed or klink after 10 and they will fly that factions ships until they get to the end game. Then they can decide to fly there Cstore fed/klink ships or pick up fleet fed/klink ships... OR pay extra for the tier 6 rom ships.

    Sometime after the rom launch I am sure there will be the Advanced Fleet Refit ships released... that will be on par with the rom ships for twice the fleet marks / fleet mods.

    That's me bet anyway... guess we don't know for awhile. :)
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  • tmichctmichc Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    See Virus, what has experience taught us? Balance is a great ideal, but is it what they strive for? Personally I think the ships will be balanced out of the gate, compared to their Fed/KDF counterparts, but by the time players are done adding sets, fleet gear, etc. to the mix they will be unbalanced.

    I've been browsing about on Tribble at the new Singularity Cores, and I'm intrigued by the mechanics of their side benefits. Here's my supposition for them (which may or may not be accurate).

    Singularity Jump - Equivalent of a Subspace Jump
    Singularity Overcharge - An equivalence to a Red Matter Capacitor
    Warp Shadow - Maybe the equivalent to MES or the Subvert Targetting Array from the KHG set
    Plasma Shockwave - Photonic Shockwave (notice the new explosion animations you get from Rommie NPC ships on Tribble?)
    Singularity Shielding - Maybe the equivalent to the Vesta's 3-piece 'Perfect Shield' or the Graviton Shield from the 'Rademaker' console

    The mechanics behind it, who knows... My feeling is that it will stack 'charge' over time, up to X times (I'm thinking 5 for some reason). Each charge will improve the abilities. How?

    Well, let's take the Singularity Overcharge as an example... With 1 charge, you get +5 to each subsystem, with a CD on this ability of 3mins. Full 5 charges gives you +25 to each subsystem. A Rare Mk X gives you a 3min CD, a Very Rare Mk XII reduces it to 2mins.

    Other abilites, well it's pure supposition, but I do like speculating! :D

    But, that's just my thoughts.

    As for ships... Well, I like where you're going with the ideas, but for some reason I always think of Romulans as being more Science orientated.

    Tim
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    But that's the thing - you don't level 10-50 as Fed/KDF. It's 1-40 as Rom. There is distinct content for them. Then they get into the FE/endgame stuff. Of course, folks level at different speeds - so they could easily hit 50 and still be in the midst of the Rom content.

    Their goal is for the story convergence for all the factions to take place in the late 30s/early 40s.

    As for Roms using Fed/KDF ships - they're still "undecided" on that at the moment. It's their plan at the moment - combination of meaning they don't have to have as many ships available, folks that have spent oodles of money on ships getting more value out of them, etc, etc, etc - but they're really trying to sell folks on the Romulan ships.

    Romulans will have Subterfuge - to get the most out of them, they'll want to be in a ship that can cloak. They're also hyping the Warbird mechanics - the Singularity Cores - things you can't get from a non-Romulan ship. Sure, currently the plan's for folks to fly whatever - but the expectation is folks will want to fly Warbirds.

    As for others flying them - well, they already mentioned the possibility of a Romulan Lockbox down the line, eh? Doesn't mean that folks will be able to willy nilly fly Romulan boats - and - without the Sub trait - they'll never be as good in a Rom bird as a Rom would be...

    In the latest podcast, Dan said they want all the Romulan ships from the shows/etc in the game. Their typical canon and then their own stuff sort of thing.

    Well, looking at what they've shown so far and what's still out there:

    T'Liss? Well, they're using the name from a different warbird (ENT drone ship) for the TOS BoP. Still, it's not quite the TOS BoP...a newer version, so to speak.

    Dhelan? Who knows?

    Mogai? Looks like the Valdore from Nemesis. There's the artwork for a "Super Mogai" on the LoR site - could that end up being the in-game Valdore?

    D'Deridex...yep, that's there.

    T'varo? A more modern version of the BoP - the ENT BoP - looking more modern than the TOS BoP...lol. /cough

    What about the Romulan D7 Battle Cruiser, eh?

    And of course, the Scimitar - hrmmm?

    The way they talk about it, it's as if there were a bunch of Romulan ships. There were fewer Romulan ships than KDF ships. So I'm not sure where they're getting all these ships they're talking about, meh... TOS BoP (T'Liss) ENT BoP (T'varo) TOS D7 Battle Cruiser (?) TNG D'Deridex (D'Deridex) TNG Valdore (Mogai/Valdore?) TNG Scimitar (Scimitar?)

    Have to figure the majority of them are going to be original designs or perhaps licensed soft canon, eh?

    It will be interesting to see what they come up with...but seeing as how there's almost nothing there - one can see why they'll likely keep the Rom can fly Fed/KDF despite the negative feedback out there on the matter.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    tmichc wrote: »
    The mechanics behind it, who knows... My feeling is that it will stack 'charge' over time, up to X times (I'm thinking 5 for some reason). Each charge will improve the abilities. How?

    Stahl mentioned a picture in the latest podcast showing the wheel for it - but I haven't been able to find it. Wonder if it's going to be in an as of yet unreleased blog he thought was already out.

    But he describes it along the lines of the Rogue/Paladin thing...building up "points/power" to unleash more powerful versions, etc, etc, etc.

    From another thread where I asked about it:
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I believe he was talking about THIS picture.
  • tmichctmichc Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The way they talk about it, it's as if there were a bunch of Romulan ships. There were fewer Romulan ships than KDF ships. So I'm not sure where they're getting all these ships they're talking about, meh... TOS BoP (T'Liss) ENT BoP (T'varo) TOS D7 Battle Cruiser (?) TNG D'Deridex (D'Deridex) TNG Valdore (Mogai/Valdore?) TNG Scimitar (Scimitar?)

    Have to figure the majority of them are going to be original designs or perhaps licensed soft canon, eh?

    It will be interesting to see what they come up with...but seeing as how there's almost nothing there - one can see why they'll likely keep the Rom can fly Fed/KDF despite the negative feedback out there on the matter.

    Yeah, the Romulan ships from canon are thin on the ground, which I think is why the Dhelan was added, as a taster for what's in store for Cryptic originals.

    Personally, I hope that Romulans can't fly non-lock box ships (such as a Fleet B'rel or Defiant) as it would kind of reduce the need for some good/unique ships. I'm fine with lock box ones (I have a JHAS still in it's box for my Rommie tac officer so it would be stupid of me to say otherwise :D) as both current factions can do so.

    Admittedly, Subterfuge does mean I won't be doing myself any favours if I use a JHAS, but there we go...

    Anyway, back to the point, Romulans and their tricksy ships...

    Here's a short version of the Mk X (Rare) Singularity Cores currently in the Tribble Dilithium Store (for information more than anything else):

    3 versions of the core;
    Field Stabilising Cores - Up to +7.5 Shield Power, based on Singularity Charge level
    Hyper-Injection Cores - Up to +7.5 Engine Power, based on Singularity Charge level
    Overcharged Cores - Up to +7.5 Auxiliary Power, based on Singularity Charge level

    Each comes with 2 modifiers (as you'd expect for a Rare item). You can look on Tribble for the way they've set them up, but here's the modifiers;
    Mod 1:
    [PI] - +15 Power Insulators
    [PG] - +15 Particle Generator
    [GG] - +15 Graviton Generator
    [EPS] - +15 Starship Electro-Plasma System
    [SingA] - Increased Singularity Charge rate by 20%
    [SingC] - Reduces cool down time on Singularity Power Use by 10%
    [SingS] - Decreases rate at which you lose Singularity Power 20%

    Mod 2:
    [OLoad] - Improved Singularity Overcharge: Whilst Overcharge is active, you gain 20% Critical Severity
    [Jump] - Improved Singularity Jump: Increases effect of Singularity Jump accuracy debuff by 100%
    [Res] - Improved Singularity Shielding: Your Singularity Shielding also provides you with 20 resistance to all damage
    [Wave] - Improved Plasma Shockwave: To target: 10% chance: disable 1 subsystem for 5 seconds
    [Shad] - Warp Shadow Sensor Scramble: Your Warp Shadow will confuse all High Yield Torpedoes within a 5km radius.

    Tim

    Edit: I'd never seen that picture before... I loled at the 5 distinct charge blocks.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    tmichc wrote: »
    Edit: I'd never seen that picture before... I loled at the 5 distinct charge blocks.

    I'm guessing that's not the particular image Stahl was talking about - but it pretty much provides the gist of it in relation to what he was talking about.

    Course, it raises a few questions of its own there as well:

    Does SNB strip built up Singularity Core Power...er...Points?

    If the Warbird has to be in combat to build them up - er - what does that mean with regard to cloaking? Can't build them up until they decloak? Are they lost if they engage a battle cloak?

    Do they come at the cost of some other power level/etc?
  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    i doubt the fleet Dhelan will be a defiant, probably more like a mvam or armatige with a cloak

    A HEC... with a cloak? Surely even Cryptic wouldn't do something like that! Why, what possible need would there be for a ship with so many bells and whistles!

    Wait, what's that I hear? Is it an echo from the future? It sounds like "cha-ching!!"....and what appears to be soft whispers... what are you trying to tell us echoes from the future?

    Oh! its not a cloak, its a battlecloak! Of course!

    :D:D:D:D

    Actually, I'd expect the Romuan escort to be more like the Kumari line than the Defiant. And by that I mean it'll mount 5 forward weapons. I'd almost bet most if not all Romulan ships will be like that. Too much you say? Lets not forget Cryptic is betting big on people buying new ships by the truckload!
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I don't think the Rom escort... will be a escort per say... I would bet it would be a cross between a fed escort and a klink bop.

    It will likely have battle cloak.. with bop turn and speed... with fed hull and shield, and perhaps even the third rear weapon.

    I doubt even cryptic would be dumb enough to but a battle cloak on a escort with 5 forward weapons... but then again who knows. lol
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I expected them to say Like a Raptor - but they went with Like an Escort. You can see the Dhelan as part of that Romulan Flotilla in Tau Dewa on Tribble... it's bigger than a Heavy Escort - both length and obvious wingspan. It's a pretty big ship, relatively speaking. It probably is getting into Armitage size or so.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    How could D'D possible have better turn than 6 seriously ? It was stated in the holy dev blog, that D'D turns WORSE than Galaxy, and has roughly same firepower.

    Turn base 5-6, 3 eng ensigns, 2 tac consoles, access to DHC

    Make it so!

    Doing anything else is hypocrisy on Cryptics part, and also would allow to backfire and the forum moans would make it finally clear, that low turn servers no purpose other than making some ships unfun as possible.
    Romulan ships tend to be large and heavy, making them somewhat slower and less maneuverable than comparable Federation and Klingon Defense Force ships. The iconic D?deridex, for example, is larger and more resilient than the Galaxy ? but considerably slower as a result.
    The D'deridex Warbird Battle Cruiser was the foundation of the Romulan Star Empire's forces in the 24th century. Drastically heavier than the earlier T'liss and Dhelan models, the D'deridex was significantly more resilient and carried firepower comparable to a Federation Galaxy-class ship.

    Extremely focused on defense, but capable of carrying heavy weaponry, the D?deridex will likely appeal to players who enjoy the current style of play of Battle Cruisers.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    "The iconic D?deridex, for example, is larger and more resilient than the Galaxy ? but considerably slower as a result."

    "Drastically heavier than the earlier T'liss and Dhelan models, the D'deridex was significantly more resilient and carried firepower comparable to a Federation Galaxy-class ship."

    "Extremely focused on defense, but capable of carrying heavy weaponry, the D?deridex will likely appeal to players who enjoy the current style of play of Battle Cruisers."

    Galaxy...
    Turn - 6
    Impulse Modifier - 0.15
    Inertia - 20

    Battle Cruisers...
    K't'inga - 11/0.15/35
    Kamarag - 10.5/0.15/25
    Vor'cha - 10/0.15/30
    Negh'Var - 9/0.15/25
    Bortas - 5.5/0.15/18

    So you're thinking even worse than a Bortas? Cause, it would have to be far worse than a Bortas to be considered considerable compared to how bad the Galaxy is, eh?

    4/0.15/15? Would that be considerable? Perhaps the combination?

    Where does that leave us for the Ha'apax then?

    "The Ha'apax Advanced Warbird represents the latest developments in Romulan technology. Larger than even the mighty D'deridex, it has superior firepower and even greater hull strength. While slow to maneuver, the Ha'apax is a juggernaut on the battlefield, capable of withstanding tremendous damage while unleashing its weapons on its foes."

    Is that support vessel that it launches actually a tugboat? Do you have to launch that, it slaps on a tractor beam, and slowly tows the Ha'apax around? :)
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Galaxy is not BAD it is WAD. So I do not see how D'D similar to Galaxy could be BAD and not WAD. It would actually be able to use DHCs, so that makes it having greater firepower.....

    Sarcasm aside, I think Cryptic shot itself in foot. They can't make D'Derix better (turn) ship than Galaxy, because that would make them hypocrites. On the other hadn if they release ship with similar or even worse (turn) stats like Galaxy, the backfire will harm their LoR release.

    Kinda egg or chicken question. Is the Galaxy WAD ? Maybe the horrible person in charge of ship stats will finally get a bonk on his forehead and will see the light.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Is the Galaxy WAD ?

    Honestly, I don't think it is. I think its stats are a lie as well. While it hasn't quite been a year since I flew an Odyssey...my memory has still gone to TRIBBLE with old age...but I could swear the space whale with the same 6/0.15/20 as the Galaxy...was actually more maneuverable. There's just something off about the Galaxy - it's atrocious.

    A person leveling via Cruisers (I did just do that again recently for another Eng alt) - going from the Heavy to Exploration to Star... the Galaxy stands out like a sore thumb. The +1 Turn and -5 Inertia of the Star...well, it shouldn't feel nimble in comparison. Hell, throw an Ambassador into that mix and the Galaxy feels like a rock glued down to an anvil drying in block of cement.

    There has to be something off with it. I mean...there's just something off about it.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Honestly, I don't think it is.

    You might not, I might not, hell every STO player and his mother might not. Yet the person in charge stubborny refuses to aknowledge it and says it is WAD.

    So let it be WAD and make a D'Deridex with similar stats also WAD. Hell, make it just a copy of Galaxy with extra battle cloak and DHC = better ship. The forums will still explode with rage about had bad the ship is.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    There DD is going to make the galaxy look 200 years old... you know it.

    The only hope for the galaxy is an "advanced" fleet model.

    Don't worry after they let the Roms loose in the ques for 2-3 months they will release higher tier advanced fleet ships. First they need you to build a hate for the Romms so you drop some $ on the Advanced fleet ships. Or worse they will release Cstore versions with special warp cores that combat the new rommy sci spam.
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  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Possibly warbirds will have bad turnrates, but a special 'singularity' ability that will dramatically improve their turning for a short period of time. Who knows?
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