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Leadership Nerf incoming beware
scipher
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Updated Leadership:
This trait now provides a scale .3 Regeneration bonus in-combat, and a scale .6 Regeneration bonus out of combat.
This power no longer scales off of your amount of crew alive or off your skill points spent in hull repairs.
Its effectiveness is now constant.
Leadership's out-of-combat regeneration rate no longer persists during Combat as well.
Leadership no longer gives regeneration for having 100% of crew alive regardless of how much Crew damage the ship had taken.
this was taken from the Tribble patch notes and a warnning to all Captains. Your Hull regen and subsystem repair is going to take a huge cut in effectiveness. Even with my Hull repair and sub-systems skills at full 9 and a full human crew my regen and sub-sys are both below 60 in the defence tab. This is a huge nerf by Cryptic they have effectively made human crews utterly useless. I beg to ask the question is the person at Cryptic who came up with this idea RIDE THE SHORT BUS TO WORK EVERYDAY? No longer scales off your skill points spent in hull repair!!! really then why the hell should i put points in it then to get a WHOPPING 66.3% and thats out of combat so in combat its even worse. this is my favorite part "its effectiveness is now constant" yeah constant TRIBBLE stats now. It make me wonder what post had the most whine and complaining that got this even considered? Was it the PvP crowd that cries if they cant alpha strike you in 2 sec or was it the Uber crusier crowd that thinks crusiers should be DPS king while being super tanks? Great way to kill of hull repair to nill Cryptic. I will be FedEx'ing a crash helmet and a bib so the person can ride the short bus home in safety while he licks the windows. :mad::mad::mad:
This trait now provides a scale .3 Regeneration bonus in-combat, and a scale .6 Regeneration bonus out of combat.
This power no longer scales off of your amount of crew alive or off your skill points spent in hull repairs.
Its effectiveness is now constant.
Leadership's out-of-combat regeneration rate no longer persists during Combat as well.
Leadership no longer gives regeneration for having 100% of crew alive regardless of how much Crew damage the ship had taken.
this was taken from the Tribble patch notes and a warnning to all Captains. Your Hull regen and subsystem repair is going to take a huge cut in effectiveness. Even with my Hull repair and sub-systems skills at full 9 and a full human crew my regen and sub-sys are both below 60 in the defence tab. This is a huge nerf by Cryptic they have effectively made human crews utterly useless. I beg to ask the question is the person at Cryptic who came up with this idea RIDE THE SHORT BUS TO WORK EVERYDAY? No longer scales off your skill points spent in hull repair!!! really then why the hell should i put points in it then to get a WHOPPING 66.3% and thats out of combat so in combat its even worse. this is my favorite part "its effectiveness is now constant" yeah constant TRIBBLE stats now. It make me wonder what post had the most whine and complaining that got this even considered? Was it the PvP crowd that cries if they cant alpha strike you in 2 sec or was it the Uber crusier crowd that thinks crusiers should be DPS king while being super tanks? Great way to kill of hull repair to nill Cryptic. I will be FedEx'ing a crash helmet and a bib so the person can ride the short bus home in safety while he licks the windows. :mad::mad::mad:
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This is a very good change. It effectively made all subsystem disable abilities useless against players with a full crew of these human bridge officers. Hull regen was so high that when firing a transphasic torpedo fully buffed for 4500k hull damage, the ship would be fully repaired by the time the next torp hit even if you procced projecile weapon officers.
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How can it be a nerf of something that was clearly not working as intended for the clearly universally known reason?
People survived before Leadership even worked. They'll survive it not being stupidly broken.
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Fed ships. Most KDF players have been doing just fine without it for quite sometime now.
you might be right but time will tell lol it's not like I'll have a choice
Nah. Just go back to using Efficient Saurians or something. Humans were overrated. And Geko's already having an open discussion in one of the other sub forums about ships getting a new "armor" slot that could potentially affect survivability for all ships across the board. It will be ok.
3. Wait for May, and the NEW trait system, and see what other fun choices we finally have available?
However I 'do' wonder, given crews have become so redundant in this game now, that with the expansion, will crews have even less of a point to have on ships, other than to imagine them 'all' as redshirts. I mean, I can imagine a full Atrox crew all lying dead in an STF, while my Boffs all run around like hyper caffeinated Supermen (and women,) Augments, or something. Been about that way at times, when my crew health pool, has dropped to below ten, on my current Fleet Excelsior, and still my boff powers get me through easily.
I just never bothered to rely on crew regen rates, and the whole system involving them, has become superfluous beyond reason to even showing them on the UI anymore. I usually just slot my Borg C-store boff and any other boffs with powers I usually rely on, and just shake my head when blasting through content. with a mostly dead and/or injured crew.
I almost just see my 'crew' as an extension of the Doff system, since that seems 'all' they are good for. Might as well just set ship crews, to the 400 Doff crew maximum, and forget they exist otherwise, even moreso, at this coming expansion rate.
On holodeck, mid combat 3 human boffs will give around 100%/min hull regen.
On tribble, mid combat 3 human boffs only give around 25%/min hull regen.
Well, keep in mind that compared to the only other space traits (Saurians and Borg with efficient, and the Romulan BOFFs) Humans were one of the easiest to acquire BOFFs with a working space trait.
Common human BOFFs can be purchased at ESD. And in space traits, rarity was not really something that mattered. The ground traits have superior versions, the space traits were barely working the few that there were.
That being said, this isn't a big deal at all. If they're now only doing 25% of what they were doing, that's still a working space trait on an easily acquired BOFF. That's much better than before ... a space trait that was broken and didn't work.
My engineer is new, human, and has three humans on his crew. My tactical is an old alien and only has one human on his crew. I'm rather attached to the mix I have, I didn't want to uproot his crew for one comprised entirely of the master race.
With the human engineer, I'd drop hazard emitters if not for the effect removal. Carrying any other hull regen active is simply out of the question on any ship, some kind of offensive ability goes in that slot because I don't need it. Heck, if I'm in a cruiser I'm barely concerned about shield strength because the hull handles nearly anything thrown at it--and this is with me being new and incompetent about using the engineer captains abilities.
Any time one race is a clear no-brainer in terms of effectiveness in any game, something should change. Either the others come up to its level, or the master race needs to come down. In this case, coming down is a good idea---the new level of hull regen from them is still nothing to sneeze at, after all, it still makes them a more or less direct counter to transphasic and plasma torpedoes.
Since 2 Years my KDF chars doing fine without this, with my sci Vo'Quv outtanking the gateway in direct combat, so...
The only one really being affected by this will be the Escorts (and that also only on FED side) for wich i dont shed even one tear. Maybe at last they finally getting back to a little more "glass" and less "durable"cannon.
On the other hand, what did you expect? The total abuse of this ability in PvP got it to this point (as with all proc abuses in PvP) You can savely say that PvP griefing is the major reason for such nerfs to occur (seeing the Vo'Quv getting the Nerfbat since end of beta, and people still ******** about it)
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Ok, I can understand why you're angry but this part annoyed me, let me explain something to you; the role of a cruiser, as I'm sure you can appreciate, is to get shot as much as possible. The problem with this idea is that, in pvp, almost EVERYONE knows this, so they focus on just about anything except cruisers, which means cruisers can't do their job, in pve, the npc ships will ALWAYS focus on whatever is hurting them the most, the escort, usually, which means that cruisers can't do their job. Even with full skill points in the aggro skill (I forget what it's called) they will still focus on the damage dealers. What this means is that unless cruisers get some kind of aggro ability that they can use to make sure an npc will only focus on them, the bloody cruisers can't do their job.
To sum it all up, those of you who think tht cruisers should be dps king, shut up, those of you who complain about those people, you shut up too, either that, or THINK OF SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE AND STOP IDLY HATING ON EACHOTHER!
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Give them an innate ability that increases threat generation by 500% .
That should help even the most newbie cruiser-engineer tank.
With the cruiser tanking, the tactical-escorts could focus on dealing damage and not tanking.
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OMG! I was, like, ROTFLMAO as I read this classic game rage rant. Seriously, thanks for the LoL's! As far as Leadership goes, I agree that they've effectively destroyed the unique value of Human crews in STO. Still, outside of the horrible pvp model, there is nothing about STO game play which requires a hyper-optimized set-up, great skill, or gamer rage. So, relax and laugh a little at the vision of that short bus kid wearing the helmet and bib you bought...licking that window...hahahaha.