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A rebuttal to Naz (Space concerns thread flipout)

illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,415 Bug Hunter
edited April 2013 in PvP Gameplay
naz4 wrote: »
Ever wonder why PVP is in the state its in? This thread just summarised it for me. If I was a dev trying to help this community, I personally would have given up a long time ago.

I tried to do something good and positive for the community as a whole and hey, guess what? We TRIBBLE it for ourselves again and again and again.

Citation needed.
I've been asking the same question over and over again - What is balance? Can you give me an honest answer? No one has a clue what it is yet we keep saying "It's not balanced". Have the game creators given us a set of rule books for space PVP they are balancing to? Can we measure these "issues" against that rule book to say it's unbalanced? Not that I know of......

Yes, there are certain things that are just obvious, but on the whole, we know nothing.

And more transparency from Cryptic would certainly be welcome, but also having open suggestions from the entire community, and not flipping out when people suggest stuff that you personally don't believe is an issue is core. Ultimately, we are just collating issues for Cryptic to review- it's up to them to determine if a change needs to be made- it's always been like that.
Those who complain the most, dont create any thread to achieve a positive outcome. Instead, they derail / twist other people's threads to suite their aims / desires / agenda. Hell, the tournament thread was evidence of that.

Given what preceded this statement, I'd have to guess that you're referring to people discussing whether or not issues are issues, or presenting issues that YOU, PERSONALLY do not believe are issues.

But again, it is not our job nor our intent to PREVENT Cryptic from viewing issues on the basis that we do not consider them worthwhile- merely to collate issues for their consumption. That's why we're limiting discussion and just collecting those issues. Just - because a user, personally, has experienced something, or has a certain opinion on a possible issue does not mean that user, personally, should act to prevent those issues from being suggested- for whatever reason.

Yes, of course we'll end up with a lot of suggestions that people consider trolling, or stupid, or that threaten our precious precious balance. However all that supposition is assuming that Cryptic devs are idiots and incapable of personal determination, or analysis of issues.

You guys all seem to think that if these 'stupid' issues get through, they'll taint or ruin the game because the devs MIGHT actually decide "Hey, this actually seems to be an issue". So of course we must totally insult and bury any suggestions we don't like rather than, you know, letting Cryptic advise the issue.

While certainly thread derailling occurs, the PVP tourney thread was a great example of "I am the ultimate arbiter of what items/combos are fun and are not fun, and THOU SHALT NOT QUESTION ME FOR I AM GOD" on behalf of a lot of users. While I admit full well that you were right to tell them to get their own thread/tournament, your casual disregard for- and subsequently blanket statements made with regards to issues people brought up was frankly deplorable, and this resultant flipout seems to be an extension of that.
I'm done - If anyone wants to carry on, be my guest.

As Freddy said, "Another one bites the dust".
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Good Game all, Good Game.

I think this is a vast overreaction, and a lot of INTERNET DRAMA to little purpose. You seem like you're really just pulling your support of a thread you started and had stated an intent to be unbiased in the maintenance of, in order to provide support to your own points- effectively ransoming the thread. "I'm abandoning this thread because you didn't agree with me" and whathaveyou, which is in all honestly just *incredibly* petty on your behalf.

If your intent was to gather sympathy for poor misbegotten Naz and scorn for all those noobs who think that there are issues, that if fixed, might change the parts of the game I like, well I'm of the opinion that you've failed entirely.

The PVP space concerns directory will go on without you. But good show anyways.
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