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The Romulans our poor cousins

magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Ok from the back story it makes sense for Cryptic to have the Rommies join either the KDF or Feds at lvl 10. But how are the Romulan players going to feel just being an extension of the 2 other factions with limited identity of their own?

I'm hoping they did it this way just to get the Romulans introduced then at some point in the future they will evolve to be a faction in their own right with their own fleets, equipment, ships, etc.

I'm not really keen on the Romulans getting access to gear from the other factions, if the stuff from other factions is available to you then why play that faction? Ships, weapons, consoles, etc. should be faction specific stuff to make that faction unique to play. If none of the factions are unique then any faction will do to play and you won't have a spread of players across all factions.

It was awful nice of us to invite the Romulans to our war, splintering the Romulans even further as they choose sides. Hopefully this will be the catalyst that makes the Romulans give both the Federation and Klingon Empire the middle finger and declare war on both.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Romulans our poor cousins?!? :confused:

    Are we talking about the same people that told Cryptic to make the KDF an ally subfaction of the Feds. and make a Romulan faction instead? :rolleyes:
    Have we become Vulcans?? :P

    I'll have some of that vintage bloodwine you're having! :D
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    magnumstar wrote: »
    But how are the Romulan players going to feel just being an extension of the 2 other factions with limited identity of their own?
    When a lot of, how did they call it, ah yes, "KDF WHINERS" told the diehard Romulan fans not to trust Cryptic, that they couldn't do a proper second faction for three years, the "KDF WHINERS" were told to put a cork in it.

    Some went so far as to say that all they cared about was simply having the ability to "exist."

    So at this point I wouldn't worry about the Romulan faction. They have their issues with Cryptic to deal with. And the KDF still has troubles of its own.
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    When a lot of, how did they call it, ah yes, "KDF WHINERS" told the diehard Romulan fans not to trust Cryptic, that they couldn't do a proper second faction for three years, the "KDF WHINERS" were told to put a cork in it.

    Some went so far as to say that all they cared about was simply having the ability to "exist."

    So at this point I wouldn't worry about the Romulan faction. They have their issues with Cryptic to deal with. And the KDF still has troubles of its own.

    Well, at least the forums have 3-way PvP now ! :D
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  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    qjunior wrote: »
    Well, at least the forums have 3-way PvP now ! :D

    Technically isn't it more of a 4 way. :eek:

    you have FED vs KDF vs ROM vs Cryptic.

    In all seriousness though, while I am slightly disheartened by the ideas being heard from Cryptic, I am reserving judgement until I actually get to play a Romulan.

    My understanding is that Romulans will get unique storyline missions up to level 40. Which if you look at the FED side is pretty much were all the agnostic stuff is. So it might not be as bad as people think.

    Now could it all be smoke and mirrors. Sure, but I choose to be hopeful until Cryptic proves me wrong.
  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Romulans our poor cousins?!? :confused:

    Are we talking about the same people that told Cryptic to make the KDF an ally subfaction of the Feds. and make a Romulan faction instead? :rolleyes:
    Have we become Vulcans?? :P

    I'll have some of that vintage bloodwine you're having! :D

    Lol, yes we are talking about those same folks who in order to get their beloved Romulan faction would throw the KDF under the bus. But we do need other factions in order for this game to grow, factions that are true factions and not tacked on to the existing ones. While a pointy eared bi-polar elf may not be my choice of character to play others do like them. Still others are hoping for a Cardassian faction because they like the spoonheads and I desperately hope this isn't a trend and eventually they too get created then tacked on as well. My main concern is that it dilutes faction specific content. Nothing sparks my ire more than to see an idiot Fed wielding a bat'leth. In ground pvp I target those 1st and I even say "Lay down the bat'leth and I won't kill you as badly." But they never listen so I take great joy in killing them over and over.
  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    qjunior wrote: »
    Well, at least the forums have 3-way PvP now ! :D

    Snoggy wasn't PvP'ing he was philosifying on the truth.
  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Romulans our poor cousins?!? :confused:

    Are we talking about the same people that told Cryptic to make the KDF an ally subfaction of the Feds. and make a Romulan faction instead? :rolleyes:
    Have we become Vulcans?? :P

    I'll have some of that vintage bloodwine you're having! :D

    I don't drink bloodwine but I can offer you some Romulan ale. And what's wrong with Vulcans? They make perfect slaves, resigned to their fate and docile. Also its like having a walking encyclopedia, never can tell when you may want to know some obscure fact. Being an Orion pirate, smuggler, trader, slaver I try to see the best in whatever it is I acquire. I suspect the price of Romulan ale will drop drastically once they start joining us, sigh... there goes my profits.
    When a lot of, how did they call it, ah yes, "KDF WHINERS" told the diehard Romulan fans not to trust Cryptic, that they couldn't do a proper second faction for three years, the "KDF WHINERS" were told to put a cork in it.

    Some went so far as to say that all they cared about was simply having the ability to "exist."

    So at this point I wouldn't worry about the Romulan faction. They have their issues with Cryptic to deal with. And the KDF still has troubles of its own.

    Yes the Romulans will have an uphill battle if Cryptic goes through with their plans for them and they wish to become a faction in their own right. I will support them in this because I can remember our own battle with Cryptic and how our brother faction did not support us, on the contrary they at every opportunity kicked us while we were down.
  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Technically isn't it more of a 4 way.

    4 way? Are you sure you're not green?
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    magnumstar wrote: »
    Lol, yes we are talking about those same folks who in order to get their beloved Romulan faction would throw the KDF under the bus. But we do need other factions in order for this game to grow, factions that are true factions and not tacked on to the existing ones. While a pointy eared bi-polar elf may not be my choice of character to play others do like them. Still others are hoping for a Cardassian faction because they like the spoonheads and I desperately hope this isn't a trend and eventually they too get created then tacked on as well. My main concern is that it dilutes faction specific content. Nothing sparks my ire more than to see an idiot Fed wielding a bat'leth. In ground pvp I target those 1st and I even say "Lay down the bat'leth and I won't kill you as badly." But they never listen so I take great joy in killing them over and over.

    Although I'm fine with the way the Romulan faction rolls for now, I can certainly understand the discontent amongst the Romulan die-hard fans with it.

    However, I couldn't help but having "Be careful what you wish for!" as a first thought when I first read this months Q&A.
    magnumstar wrote: »
    Yes the Romulans will have an uphill battle if Cryptic goes through with their plans for them and they wish to become a faction in their own right. I will support them in this because I can remember our own battle with Cryptic and how our brother faction did not support us, on the contrary they at every opportunity kicked us while we were down.

    I have always been a suporter of the Romulan faction making its enterance in STO and I intend to continue doing that in regards of RR getting what it needs to become more complete.
    magnumstar wrote: »
    Nothing sparks my ire more than to see an idiot Fed wielding a bat'leth.

    Quoted for truth! :)
    qjunior wrote: »
    Well, at least the forums have 3-way PvP now ! :D

    LMFAO!!! :D Darn it man, you made me spray soda all over my monitor! :P
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  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Ok so I got an email from a friend, who happens to like the Romulans a whole lot, and he chided me on calling the Romulans bi-polar. He said I was stereotyping them. So I apologize for this.

    I am from the Midwest and a victim of stereotyping myself. You know the ones people like to use - bible thumping, cousin loving, gun toting, whiskey drinking, confederate flag waving neo-confederate neanderthal.

    I was quite indignant over these stereotypes. I never thumped a bible in my life! I have dropped one on several occasions while I was drinking whiskey and waving my confederate flag while shooting my gun, but those were off days.

    Oh, one did fall off my cousin's back while I was reading it but I blamed that on her, she was moving too much.
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  • tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I am happy with the current romulans... .but I do find it odd they can use their allies ships.
    Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    magnumstar wrote: »
    4 way? Are you sure you're not green?

    I like to think of myself as the living embodiment of Schrodinger's Cat. I am FED, KDF, and ROM all that the same time, while simultaneously being none at all.
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  • jaadorjaador Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Technically isn't it more of a 4 way. :eek:

    you have FED vs KDF vs ROM vs Cryptic.
    Pretty sure the Feds have been getting along great with Cryptic since launch.
  • voyagerfan9751voyagerfan9751 Member Posts: 1,120 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    jaador wrote: »
    Pretty sure the Feds have been getting along great with Cryptic since launch.

    Except for all the Why No (Insert WHATEVER here) for Feds? Like Enhanced Battlecloaks, 2 hangar carriers and anything else the KDF has that the Federation doesn't.
  • mikenight00mikenight00 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I consider the preferential treatment Feds have received over the past 3 years to more than compensate them for whatever unique KDF item they weren't able to take from us.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My Federation Klingon has a Bat'leth
    He is entitled
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  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    My Federation Klingon has a Bat'leth
    He is entitled

    I can go along with that. But only Federation Klingons should have access to them period. I don't know why Cryptic didn't make melee weapons specifically for the Feds, the have tons of human variations to choose from that are cool like, katana, rapier, broadsword, claymore, or even that really neat fold out sword Sulu had in the new ST movie. I don't think everyone and their brother should be swinging a Vulcan lirpa either.
  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Industrial capacity-with the loss of Romulus and Remus, it's likely that the old RSE shipyards that remained in other systems still can't make up for shortages-which is not out of shape with the scale of the Hobus disaster's impact on the Romulan's economy, and by extension, their ability to build new ships.

    After all, we've got a whole mission rescuing Romulan ships with the admonishment that every single one is critical to Romulan survival.

    Given those, and J'Mpok's ties to those Traitors in House Duras, a "lend-lease" situation (or Warsaw Pact situation) seems not that unlikely-the "New" Romulan Republic would be buying ships from both sides (and salvagers) to fill the industrial gaps (Probably on Credit, the TRIBBLE!)

    The only reason the Praxis disaster didn't do the same to the Klingon industrial base, was that the KDF's industrial support is more...distributed and far less centralized due to the neo-feudal nature of Klingon society. Great Houses pay for, and build ships to KDF specification, rather than a central authority building ships and paying for them at giant shipyards. (Which dovetails nicely into the commonality of the Bird of Prey, continuing service of the K'Tinga, and generally slower pace of Klingon ship development. The Klingon system uses lots of standardized parts built by internal subcontractors and assembled at House yards to Government spec-which leads to an industrial base that, post-Praxis, is probably more robust than either Romulan or Federation highly-centralized production.)

    What it means storyline/gameplay wise, is that a House Duras aligned group of Romulans could easily have access to KDF ship designs and KDF ship production, esp. if they ALSO have ties to J'Mpok's house (likely, given the advocacy of Ja'Rod and the loss of B'Vat's influence at Court. Say what you want about the man's other theories, B'Vat was, at least, a true Klingon Nationalist, rather than a puppet of another House with ties to the Romulans going back more than a century... really, one wonders if Torg was a threat to J'Mpok's dominant coalition in the High Council, and that was his real crime, rather than conspiring with outside forces we are NOW supposed to be aligned with...)

    On the Fed side, the loaning of (or selling of) Federation starships to the New Romulus Republic is a diplomatic and military move to draw them into a dependency on the Federation, much as you see with such formerly proud and independent warrior races as the Andorians-first they hook you with foreign aid, initially Xenotarian in nature, then they go to supplying arms at less than your own yards are capable of producing them, and before you know it, your National flag is overtopped by a Federation blue flag, your children are being taught the Federation's 'values' in Federation schools, and your National, cultural, and ethnic identity is gone and your sons and daughters are joining Starfleet.

    Very sound reasoning backed by the storyline, you could even cite historical references in real life to back it further. But this is a game and if the factions have access to each others gear, specifically cultural items such as weapons and ships then it blurs the distinction between them and they lose their uniqueness. When that happens they may as well call the game Star Glob Online (SGO) since all the factions will be partially globbed together.
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