ya she had up till she failed the mission now :rolleyes: how us romulans roll
Do you "Romulans" also regularly miss the larger point? For whatever reasons, Sela, a Romulan, and all of her subordinates, also Romulans, were working to sway the Klingon Empire to their side because they saw value in the Klingon Empire as allies.
If they were as xenophobic to the core as the OP is suggesting they would have worked entirely from the shadows not to gain the Klingons as allies, but simply to turn the Klingons into the Federation's enemies. Basically, a xenophobic species would be acting as the Undine do.
Do you "Romulans" also regularly miss the larger point? For whatever reasons, Sela, a Romulan, and all of her subordinates, also Romulans, were working to sway the Klingon Empire to their side because they saw value in the Klingon Empire as allies.
Klingon Empire as allies lmao that is funny sounds like some Federation dogma
and please spare me the hole they where allies in TOS that was TOS not TNG and surely not DS9
Uhm, I do believe the Romulan Republic is different from the New Romulan Empire.
Alright! Time for a history lesson, kids! Yay!
Romulan Star Empire (RSE) -Led by Sela. Still around, if embattled. RR is it's heir.
New Romulan Empire (NRE)-Led by D'Tan. Peaceful, allied, Vulcan esque. Based on New Romulus.
Romulan Republic (RR)-Led by revolutionists. Successor to RSE. Only against oppression.
Tal'Shiar (TS)-Led by Hakeev. Partially annihilated by the end of the Romulan Episode.
Unless the New Romulan Empire is retconned to be the Romulan Republic..
And D'Tan was only using the KDF/FED to supply them through broad trickery,
to which is to say a lot for him. I wouldn't say they're one in the same exactly.
Klingon Empire as allies lmao that is funny sounds like some Federation dogma
and please spare me the hole they where allies in TOS that was TOS not TNG and surely not DS9
To be fair, they did have an alliance back in the TOS days. That's how the Rommies got ahold of Klingon D7s, and how the Klingons got cloaking devices (I think the Klingons got the better end of this deal).
By the time of the TOS moveis though, their relationship was wearing thin, and after ST VI, the Klingosn started to becoem a lot closer to the Feds, the Enterprise C incident, and the attack on Khitomer pretty much sealed the deal, after that Klingon/Romulan alliances have pretty much been off the table.
Why can't you role play your romulan as an actual romulan?
Look, the story is what it is. Hobus Supernova did it's thing. You weren't going to get to meet Pardek on the senate floor of Romulus no matter what you wanted. But you can role play and make believe whatever kind of Romulan you desire.
Not if the prefix of your Warbird cannot be changed from RRW to IRW. The reminder will be there with you the whole time you're flying your Warbird or whatever ships you choose.
Uhm, I do believe the Romulan Republic is different from the New Romulan Empire.
Alright! Time for a history lesson, kids! Yay!
Romulan Star Empire (RSE) -Led by Sela. Still around, if embattled. RR is it's heir.
New Romulan Empire (NRE)-Led by D'Tan. Peaceful, allied, Vulcan esque. Based on New Romulus.
Romulan Republic (RR)-Led by revolutionists. Successor to RSE. Only against oppression.
Tal'Shiar (TS)-Led by Hakeev. Partially annihilated by the end of the Romulan Episode.
Unless the New Romulan Empire is retconned to be the Romulan Republic..
And D'Tan was only using the KDF/FED to supply them through broad trickery,
to which is to say a lot for him. I wouldn't say they're one in the same exactly.
I think we all get that the RR is different than the RSE by now, the complaint is that we are not playing as the RSE, but instead as some revolutionaries workign to overthrow it.
Not if the prefix of your Warbird cannot be changed from RRW to IRW. The reminder will be there with you the whole time you're flying your Warbird or whatever ships you choose.
Not to mention the fact that your ship crews/ security escort beam downs will all be wearing that wierd winter jacket varient, and there is soem indication that we won't even be able to dress our Romulans in the RSE uniforms already utilized in game, much less the TNG-era uniforms. Roleplaying RSE Romulans is looking to be rather hard at the moment.
True, but it's likely not U.S.S. either. If I remember the release materials we've seen so far it is going to be RRW. Romulan Republic Warbird. It's only less bad by a small degree.
Well. We're getting a Romulan faction. Technically. We're not getting Romulans resembling anything from the classic TV shows, so better prepare all those "voices in the head", and Romulan Ale a-plenty.
It is a step up from a half-faction being part of another faction, as once suggested. So even in loss there is some gain.
The move from a half-entity to something more is after all not a trivial one. Even if you feel like a gutted fish at the end. To call the previous solution for an alternative, is to stretch the definition of that word. It was not even a compromise, more like complete assimilation.
So basically "something" is better than "nothing", or "anything". :P
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I agree with you. Having the full faction instead of the branch-off mini-faction is no small win. I would say that if we have dispensation or a purchasable unlock to make the prefix of the Warbirds, IRW, then we could ignore the official stuff from the NPC story arcs. Once we reach lvl50 it'll be all person to person interaction. With Warbirds having Romulan names with the correct prefix it'll be alright.
And you will notice only the Feds and KDF have the correct prefixes for their ships. I'm thinking this is more of a CBS thing than a Cryptic initiated issue. My intuition is that JJ Abrams, destroyed Romulans and Vulcans and much of what we're seeing in game, is destruction of the IP at the direction of CBS.
Not a typo. It's right there as the first new feature.
PLAY AS A ROMULAN
Play as a Romulan or Reman and immerse yourself in new story-driven missions written exclusively from the Romulan Republic's point of view.
Romulan players are part of the Romulan Republic. Not the RSE. Not the NRE.
could also be a place holder or a really serious typo??
My Guess is that 'RRW' stands for 'Romulan Republic Warbird', since we are unfortunately not playing as the RSE, which uses 'IRW' (Imperial Romulan Warbird). This could mean that we don't even start out the game as RSE, and switch over to the Romulan Republic later on, if RRW is the default designation at the start.
I think we all get that the RR is different than the RSE by now, the complaint is that we are not playing as the RSE, but instead as some revolutionaries workign to overthrow it.
Be happy with what you get. RR isn't exactly RSE nor NRE, but it is a playable middle ground.
Hell, if you ask me? Cryptic were trying to make the RSE into a literal 'in between' from the
extremes of 'good nancies' and 'evil narsies' which the FED/KDF have turned into as of late.
They wanted to mutate the RSE into something more chaotic and neutral, so opposing all.
Not only does this hit the nail on the head to what the romulans are all about- self serving,
but it also gives the vibe of realism you experience from modern day society: moral unease.
Of course, take this with a spoon of salt. As I'm only utilizing my intuition to study what we
already know about this Romulan Republic. While the RSE looks to me like it would be
unsound because it's another mix of the same formula that is the playable KDF faction.
Which didn't go down well with the fan base nor developers, due to in probability?
Those morality options offered to the player character within the faction.
This, I know, is unlikely for the fan base, although the developers might think it- based on statistics.
That the player will always want to play the 'good guy' over the 'bad guy.'
Don't get me wrong though, I don't immediately think 'monstrous' equals 'bad.'
Just that history tells otherwise to the human populace. It's a stereotypical view.
Not to mention it's brother 'bad' tropes: 'barbarism,' 'unstereotypical behaviour' etc.
Gawd damn the day we ever meet real alien sapiens, we'll be the actual hypocrites then. tl;dr
Be happy with what you get. RR isn't exactly RSE nor NRE, but it is a playable middle ground.
Hell, if you ask me? Cryptic were trying to make the RSE into a literal 'in between' from the
extremes of 'good nancies' and 'evil narsies' which the FED/KDF have turned into as of late.
They wanted to mutate the RSE into something more chaotic and neutral, so opposing all.
Not only does this hit the nail on the head to what the romulans are all about- self serving,
but it also gives the vibe of realism you experience from modern day society: moral unease.
Of course, take this with a spoon of salt. As I'm only utilizing my intuition to study what we
already know about this Romulan Republic. While the RSE looks to me like it would be
unsound because it's another mix of the same formula that is the playable KDF faction.
Which didn't go down well with the fan base nor developers, due to in probability?
Those morality options offered to the player character within the faction.
This, I know, is unlikely for the fan base, although the developers might think it- based on statistics.
That the player will always want to play the 'good guy' over the 'bad guy.'
Don't get me wrong though, I don't immediately think 'monstrous' equals 'bad.'
Just that history tells otherwise to the human populace. It's a stereotypical view.
Not to mention it's brother 'bad' tropes: 'barbarism,' 'unstereotypical behaviour' etc.
Gawd damn the day we ever meet real alien sapiens, we'll be the actual hypocrites then. tl;dr
I can be happy with what I got (a Romulan faction) while being disappointed with what we did and didn't get at the same time. Happiness/Disappointment is not a binary state, and Cryptic has given a lot more to be disappointed over than happy about right now, IMO.
As for mutating the RSE into soemthing more chaotic and neutral...what? How is the RR 'more self-serving and morally gray if they are freedom fighters throwing off the yoke of the RSE? And why does would the Romulans have 'moral unease'. What morality options? we are given the option of playing 'good romulans' or no romulans at all.
The RSE was always a 'bad guy' faction. When people were asking for a Romulan faction, when they did the poll that showed the most requested feature as beign a Romulan faction, what did Cryptic think they meant? Obviously the RSE, not some 'good guy' renegades!
I can be happy with what I got (a Romulan faction) while being disappointed with what we did and didn't get at the same time. Happiness/Disappointment is not a binary state, and Cryptic has given a lot more to be disappointed over than happy about right now, IMO.
As for mutating the RSE into soemthing more chaotic and neutral...what? How is the RR 'more self-serving and morally gray if they are freedom fighters throwing off the yoke of the RSE? And why does would the Romulans have 'moral unease'. What morality options? we are given the option of playing 'good romulans' or no romulans at all.
The RSE was always a 'bad guy' faction. When people were asking for a Romulan faction, when they did the poll that showed the most requested feature as beign a Romulan faction, what did Cryptic think they meant? Obviously the RSE, not some 'good guy' renegades!
Tsk tsk, I need some slumber. I'll edit this post in the morning, maybe, with a proper response.
Go try and figure it out yourself in the mean time, you might just crack the egg to the yoke.
Romulans are creatures of ORDER the opposite of the chaotic and freewheeling Klingons with their brawling warrior culture
much more like the proper Klingons of the old days
The idea of chaotic Romulans is like the idea of a ferengi giving money to charity and helping the homeless for no profit
When people were asking for a Romulan faction, when they did the poll that showed the most requested feature as beign a Romulan faction, what did Cryptic think they meant? Obviously the RSE, not some 'good guy' renegades!
The point in all this is, nobody who wants to be a Romulan wants to be D'tan.
Well, maybe some of you out there.. ya weirdos..
Anyway where was I, right. What we want to be is Tomalak. We want to be Sela.
Proud Romulans, confident in their own superiority and that of the Star Empire's, willing to use and spit out anyone and anything to further their cause.
I'll say again that even the most sympathetic Romulans on the show like Jarok, Toreth and Pardek were at heart *Romulan* and loyal to the Star Empire above all else.
Finally, Star Empire just sounds a hell of a lot cooler than Republic, sorry.
Happiness/Disappointment is not a binary state, and Cryptic has given a lot more to be disappointed over than happy about right now, IMO.
Wow! You're absolutely right, they only gave you a whole frickin' faction that starts at lvl 1, something the Klingons are getting after 3 years of nagging. :rolleyes:
And to think that some of you Rommies had the nerve of making fun of KDF players and tag them as whiners!
The point in all this is, nobody who wants to be a Romulan wants to be D'tan.
Well, maybe some of you out there.. ya weirdos..
Anyway where was I, right. What we want to be is Tomalak. We want to be Sela.
Proud Romulans, confident in their own superiority and that of the Star Empire's, willing to use and spit out anyone and anything to further their cause.
I'll say again that even the most sympathetic Romulans on the show like Jarok, Toreth and Pardek were at heart *Romulan* and loyal to the Star Empire above all else.
Finally, Star Empire just sounds a hell of a lot cooler than Republic, sorry.
i think im in love but really this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 100% agree
Wow! You're absolutely right, they only gave you a whole frickin' faction that starts at lvl 1, something the Klingons are getting after 3 years of nagging. :rolleyes:
And to think that some of you Rommies had the nerve of making fun of KDF players and tag them as whiners!
I wonder if the hardcore Klingon fans would be happy if instead of the Klingon Empire, you got the Klingon Commune, led by Alexander. Who's mission is to spread peace and love and strike against the awful tyranny of the Empire.
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ya she had up till she failed the mission :rolleyes: how us romulans roll
system Lord Baal is dead
Do you "Romulans" also regularly miss the larger point? For whatever reasons, Sela, a Romulan, and all of her subordinates, also Romulans, were working to sway the Klingon Empire to their side because they saw value in the Klingon Empire as allies.
If they were as xenophobic to the core as the OP is suggesting they would have worked entirely from the shadows not to gain the Klingons as allies, but simply to turn the Klingons into the Federation's enemies. Basically, a xenophobic species would be acting as the Undine do.
Klingon Empire as allies lmao that is funny sounds like some Federation dogma
and please spare me the hole they where allies in TOS that was TOS not TNG and surely not DS9
system Lord Baal is dead
Uh...
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Alright! Time for a history lesson, kids! Yay!
Romulan Star Empire (RSE) - Led by Sela. Still around, if embattled. RR is it's heir.
New Romulan Empire (NRE)- Led by D'Tan. Peaceful, allied, Vulcan esque. Based on New Romulus.
Romulan Republic (RR)- Led by revolutionists. Successor to RSE. Only against oppression.
Tal'Shiar (TS)- Led by Hakeev. Partially annihilated by the end of the Romulan Episode.
Unless the New Romulan Empire is retconned to be the Romulan Republic..
And D'Tan was only using the KDF/FED to supply them through broad trickery,
to which is to say a lot for him. I wouldn't say they're one in the same exactly.
By the time of the TOS moveis though, their relationship was wearing thin, and after ST VI, the Klingosn started to becoem a lot closer to the Feds, the Enterprise C incident, and the attack on Khitomer pretty much sealed the deal, after that Klingon/Romulan alliances have pretty much been off the table.
Not if the prefix of your Warbird cannot be changed from RRW to IRW. The reminder will be there with you the whole time you're flying your Warbird or whatever ships you choose.
I think we all get that the RR is different than the RSE by now, the complaint is that we are not playing as the RSE, but instead as some revolutionaries workign to overthrow it.
Not to mention the fact that your ship crews/ security escort beam downs will all be wearing that wierd winter jacket varient, and there is soem indication that we won't even be able to dress our Romulans in the RSE uniforms already utilized in game, much less the TNG-era uniforms. Roleplaying RSE Romulans is looking to be rather hard at the moment.
True, but it's likely not U.S.S. either. If I remember the release materials we've seen so far it is going to be RRW. Romulan Republic Warbird. It's only less bad by a small degree.
Romulans got Warp Drive
sounds like a fair deal
I agree with you. Having the full faction instead of the branch-off mini-faction is no small win. I would say that if we have dispensation or a purchasable unlock to make the prefix of the Warbirds, IRW, then we could ignore the official stuff from the NPC story arcs. Once we reach lvl50 it'll be all person to person interaction. With Warbirds having Romulan names with the correct prefix it'll be alright.
Its in the image with all 3 factons UIs being shown, on the LoR page.
I didn't think nothing of that till now
system Lord Baal is dead
I would say here:
And you will notice only the Feds and KDF have the correct prefixes for their ships. I'm thinking this is more of a CBS thing than a Cryptic initiated issue. My intuition is that JJ Abrams, destroyed Romulans and Vulcans and much of what we're seeing in game, is destruction of the IP at the direction of CBS.
could also be a place holder or a really serious typo??
Romulan players are part of the Romulan Republic. Not the RSE. Not the NRE.
No it can't be.
Be happy with what you get. RR isn't exactly RSE nor NRE, but it is a playable middle ground.
Hell, if you ask me? Cryptic were trying to make the RSE into a literal 'in between' from the
extremes of 'good nancies' and 'evil narsies' which the FED/KDF have turned into as of late.
They wanted to mutate the RSE into something more chaotic and neutral, so opposing all.
Not only does this hit the nail on the head to what the romulans are all about- self serving,
but it also gives the vibe of realism you experience from modern day society: moral unease.
Of course, take this with a spoon of salt. As I'm only utilizing my intuition to study what we
already know about this Romulan Republic. While the RSE looks to me like it would be
unsound because it's another mix of the same formula that is the playable KDF faction.
Which didn't go down well with the fan base nor developers, due to in probability?
Those morality options offered to the player character within the faction.
This, I know, is unlikely for the fan base, although the developers might think it- based on statistics.
That the player will always want to play the 'good guy' over the 'bad guy.'
Don't get me wrong though, I don't immediately think 'monstrous' equals 'bad.'
Just that history tells otherwise to the human populace. It's a stereotypical view.
Not to mention it's brother 'bad' tropes: 'barbarism,' 'unstereotypical behaviour' etc.
Gawd damn the day we ever meet real alien sapiens, we'll be the actual hypocrites then. tl;dr
As for mutating the RSE into soemthing more chaotic and neutral...what? How is the RR 'more self-serving and morally gray if they are freedom fighters throwing off the yoke of the RSE? And why does would the Romulans have 'moral unease'. What morality options? we are given the option of playing 'good romulans' or no romulans at all.
The RSE was always a 'bad guy' faction. When people were asking for a Romulan faction, when they did the poll that showed the most requested feature as beign a Romulan faction, what did Cryptic think they meant? Obviously the RSE, not some 'good guy' renegades!
Tsk tsk, I need some slumber. I'll edit this post in the morning, maybe, with a proper response.
Go try and figure it out yourself in the mean time, you might just crack the egg to the yoke.
much more like the proper Klingons of the old days
The idea of chaotic Romulans is like the idea of a ferengi giving money to charity and helping the homeless for no profit
this i was one of them ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
system Lord Baal is dead
lmao this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
system Lord Baal is dead
Well, maybe some of you out there.. ya weirdos..
Anyway where was I, right. What we want to be is Tomalak. We want to be Sela.
Proud Romulans, confident in their own superiority and that of the Star Empire's, willing to use and spit out anyone and anything to further their cause.
I'll say again that even the most sympathetic Romulans on the show like Jarok, Toreth and Pardek were at heart *Romulan* and loyal to the Star Empire above all else.
Finally, Star Empire just sounds a hell of a lot cooler than Republic, sorry.
Wow! You're absolutely right, they only gave you a whole frickin' faction that starts at lvl 1, something the Klingons are getting after 3 years of nagging. :rolleyes:
And to think that some of you Rommies had the nerve of making fun of KDF players and tag them as whiners!
i think im in love
system Lord Baal is dead
I wonder if the hardcore Klingon fans would be happy if instead of the Klingon Empire, you got the Klingon Commune, led by Alexander. Who's mission is to spread peace and love and strike against the awful tyranny of the Empire.