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magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Klingon Discussion
I give a whole hearted thank you to the Cryptic team for coming through for the KDF. We can now start at lvl 1 which was one of the main hindrances to the KDF faction and was one of the reasons for our low numbers over here. I truly appreciate all the hard work everyone at Cryptic put in to make this happen.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Likewise.

    What? I'm lazy.
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  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    magnumstar wrote: »
    I give a whole hearted thank you to the Cryptic team for coming through for the KDF. We can now start at lvl 1 which was one of the main hindrances to the KDF faction and was one of the reasons for our low numbers over here. I truly appreciate all the hard work everyone at Cryptic put in to make this happen.

    We can? I must have missed that patch... :confused:

    Or were you referring to the throwaway line on the Legacy of Romulus page that has no other mention of the KDF or indeed pictures or information of what this 1-50 KDF experience will be? :P

    I'm hoping they'll do a good job but don't raise your hopes too high just yet - we've been here before after all - I guess we'll all know soon enough but for me at least, it's a little premature to be thanking Cryptic - encouraging them maybe...
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  • startuxstartux Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I agree too, thank you Cryptic. Please ignore the obvious trolls who want nothing better than to see the KDF faction die.
  • weylandjuarezweylandjuarez Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    startux wrote: »
    I agree too, thank you Cryptic. Please ignore the obvious trolls who want nothing better than to see the KDF faction die.

    *wonders when the KDF forums turned into bizarro world*
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    *wonders when the KDF forums turned into bizarro world*

    It's been bizarro world since day 1. ;)

    I do agree we should be cautious, but I don't think they'd tell us they're gonna do it if they can't actually do it. That would create nerdrage the likes of which this galaxy has never seen.
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  • blagormblagorm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    A lot seems great.. but think about the fact rom starts out 1-50 while KDF started 20-50. Plus
    is or was there enough time for good quality things? Only the future will telll..
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  • startuxstartux Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    blagorm wrote: »
    A lot seems great.. but think about the fact rom starts out 1-50 while KDF started 20-50. Plus
    is or was there enough time for good quality things? Only the future will telll..

    Yep, no point being negative, although caution is certainly understandable given what they have done to the KDF since they promised a full faction back in 08 :).

    By the way, KDF will be able to start from level 1 to 50 as of May 21st:

    "Start as any Faction

    Create your first character as a member of the Federation, Klingon Empire, or Romulan Republic and level your captain from 1 to 50."

    They have at least doubled staff since PWE took over, so yes more optimistic than ever before.
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We just went from the red-headed stepchild to the dog tied up in the woodshed. I'm not really seeing a lot of cause for celebration unless your being optimistic in defiance of Cryptic's historic trackrecord with Klingons.

    Instead of spending the time and money to bring the KDF on par with the Federations, the developed a whole faction. Now the game will be 1 full faction, and 2 half assed factions. The reasoning is obvious, it's a cash grab for players gearing up and leveling a new alt. It doesn't actually improve the state of the game, if anything it makes it worse.
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    startux wrote: »
    I agree too, thank you Cryptic. Please ignore the obvious trolls who want nothing better than to see the KDF faction die.

    You're logic is so absolutely convoluted that i can't even fathom.
  • startuxstartux Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    xantris wrote: »
    You're logic is so absolutely convoluted that i can't even fathom.

    Its your problem if you cannot understand, and if you don't why not ask nicely for explanation? Lol.
  • xantrisxantris Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    startux wrote: »
    Its your problem if you cannot understand, and if you don't why not ask nicely for explanation? Lol.

    You do recognize that by splitting the player-base into a 3rd faction that the highly dissatisfied ranks of the Klingons will see a large % turnover to the Romulan faction, and that the KDF will in fact shrink instead of grow? Right? I mean you can't possibly think the KDF will actually grow in size after this happens?

    Please, make me understand, because it's beyond my capacity to think anyone could see a rat and call it a lion.
  • oneandonlyrecceoneandonlyrecce Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    xantris wrote: »
    We just went from the red-headed stepchild to the dog tied up in the woodshed. I'm not really seeing a lot of cause for celebration unless your being optimistic in defiance of Cryptic's historic trackrecord with Klingons.

    Instead of spending the time and money to bring the KDF on par with the Federations, the developed a whole faction. Now the game will be 1 full faction, and 2 half assed factions. The reasoning is obvious, it's a cash grab for players gearing up and leveling a new alt. It doesn't actually improve the state of the game, if anything it makes it worse.
    So if this upgrade didn't include the Romulans at all, and was only the KDF being able to start at level 1, encouraging people to "gear up and leveling a new alt", you wouldn't see this as a "cash grab"? Is that because existing people who didn't have KDF wouldn't bother? Or because it wouldn't be enough to attract new people to the game? And having spent the money to develop it, and not generated enough revenue to compete with the other titles in the PWE stable, the STO budget would be reduced.

    By including the new faction, PWE gets to announce an expansion to the game, and get more coverage in the gaming media. And hopely expand the player base. And some of those guys may even create a KDF as their 1st character. Or maybe not even bother with a Fed character.

    Now this does lead onto the quality and quantity of content for both KDF and Romulan factions. Because if it's not there, I think it will actually act as a "drag" to the game as a whole rather than as a bonus. And we are going to have to wait and see for the release.

    I think this expension is the only way PWE were going to release funds to expand the KDF storyline. I think DStahl wanted to expand the KDF story, but when Dan and Cryptic costed it, I imagine PWE told him to take a hike. This would have just before his "this is a dead targ" comment. But he's found a way to get PWE to release the funds to do it.

    The quality and quantity of the story missions for the 2 new factions are key. I guessing that a lot of the missions will be shared faction missions, with a few being single faction. I'm just wondering if they can create 3 separate stories that way, without it being so jarringly wrong as it has been for the KDF faction so far.
  • johnstewardjohnsteward Member Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Its nice they put a lot of work into it but as far as i'm concerned its the least i expect consodering the amount of money i spend on this game
  • saxfiresaxfire Member Posts: 558 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Also huge thank you for not explaining anything in the HUGE countdown announcement. That only left me and X amount of others with even more questions. 1-19 levels for kdf only? Is that all you are gonna do? Looks like that new players will start as rommies isntead of kdf.. Will we get any other content for kdf? Are we gonna get new ships? Fleet Guramba? Fleet K'Tanco Retrofit? Fleet Karfi? Exacly, none of the desired information was shared.

    I only hope you will make another announcement so I don't have to wait just to get more depressed.
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  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    xantris wrote: »
    You do recognize that by splitting the player-base into a 3rd faction that the highly dissatisfied ranks of the Klingons will see a large % turnover to the Romulan faction, and that the KDF will in fact shrink instead of grow? Right? I mean you can't possibly think the KDF will actually grow in size after this happens?

    Please, make me understand, because it's beyond my capacity to think anyone could see a rat and call it a lion.

    Yes the KDF as well as the Federation will shrink some when everyone rushes out to try the new and shiny Romulan faction. I too plan on making a Romulan but does that mean I'm gonna stop playing my 3 KDF and 1 Fed toons? I've invested tons of time and substantial cash into these characters (At least the KDF toons) not to mention I've had my KDF characters since launch so although I will play a Romulan it doesn't mean I plan to delete my other characters and settle on New Romulus. You will have some that will make that their primary faction but others, after lvling a Romulan, will go back to the other factions or spend time bouncing between them. At least now new players have an option to create a KDF toon at lvl 1 which will improve our situation some.
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    magnumstar wrote: »
    I give a whole hearted thank you to the Cryptic team for coming through for the KDF. We can now start at lvl 1 which was one of the main hindrances to the KDF faction and was one of the reasons for our low numbers over here. I truly appreciate all the hard work everyone at Cryptic put in to make this happen.

    Thank you is a little premature considering all we know is that the KDF are getting a new tutorial and new UI colors. THere's been no mention of new KDF missions whatsoever, so I have no idea why you're jumping for joy.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We wait to see if thanks are in order. Nothing is concrete until it hits the holodeck.
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think we can afford to be optimistic here. This is a very early announcement as far as Cryptic's track record goes, so they're obviously confident about what they're doing.

    That being said, I'm still investing in any and all pitchfork and torch suppliers in southern California. :D
  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Yep. Still wait and see mode. I might get some excitement up as the Dev blogs start rolling. Maybe we'll see one tomorrow, or early next week. Be nice to see some word of what the faction will get in black and white.
    Other then a few tid-bits were still very much in speculation and WAG mode (wild TRIBBLE guesses)

    Logically there are some obvious things we should expect to see... but as of yet we do not have confirmation.

    Hopefull I am. Certain I am not. Reserved I shall remain for now (in spite of what I do know about which is stilll subject to change)

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  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    xantris wrote: »
    We just went from the red-headed stepchild to the dog tied up in the woodshed. I'm not really seeing a lot of cause for celebration unless your being optimistic in defiance of Cryptic's historic trackrecord with Klingons.

    Instead of spending the time and money to bring the KDF on par with the Federations, the developed a whole faction. Now the game will be 1 full faction, and 2 half assed factions. The reasoning is obvious, it's a cash grab for players gearing up and leveling a new alt. It doesn't actually improve the state of the game, if anything it makes it worse.

    yeah you really know exactly how the other 2 factions will be you know everything that will be added in fact you know everything! Oh and a third faction plus the first 20 levels for kdf "will make the game worse" thats laughable
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    In this presence of gloomy threads related to the KDF since the expansion was announced, I want to join in on the positive one and thank the devs. for what has been done so far, while we wait for more info on it to be uncovered in the upcoming period.

    So, thanks devs. for updating the UI and for the option to start a KDF char. as your first one! I want you to know that despite many complaints that would undoubtedly catch your eyes & ears, many of us do apreciate what has been announced for our faction so far.

    Brandon, if you're reading this give a pat on the back to the guys at the studio for me and tell them that we are eagerly awaiting to find out more things related to our faction from the upcomming expansion.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    In this presence of gloomy threads related to the KDF since the expansion was announced, I want to join in on the positive one and thank the devs. for what has been done so far, while we wait for more info on it to be uncovered in the upcoming period.

    So, thanks devs. for updating the UI and for the option to start a KDF char. as your first one! I want you to know that despite many complaints that would undoubtedly catch your eyes & ears, many of us do apreciate what has been announced for our faction so far.

    Brandon, if you're reading this give a pat on the back to the guys at the studio for me and tell them that we are eagerly awaiting to find out more things related to our faction from the upcomming expansion.

    Well said.
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  • tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    In this presence of gloomy threads related to the KDF since the expansion was announced, I want to join in on the positive one and thank the devs. for what has been done so far, while we wait for more info on it to be uncovered in the upcoming period.

    So, thanks devs. for updating the UI and for the option to start a KDF char. as your first one! I want you to know that despite many complaints that would undoubtedly catch your eyes & ears, many of us do apreciate what has been announced for our faction so far.

    Brandon, if you're reading this give a pat on the back to the guys at the studio for me and tell them that we are eagerly awaiting to find out more things related to our faction from the upcomming expansion.

    Me too.

    KDF is getting more content, and people should appreciate that.

    Cryptic could have just left the KDF as it is, and added the romulans as the second starter faction to the Federation, yet they included the Klingons too.
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  • corbinwolf#9797 corbinwolf Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    magnumstar wrote: »
    I give a whole hearted thank you to the Cryptic team for coming through for the KDF. We can now start at lvl 1 which was one of the main hindrances to the KDF faction and was one of the reasons for our low numbers over here. I truly appreciate all the hard work everyone at Cryptic put in to make this happen.

    Agreed! Having started a Klink character twice before I never really became invested due to complete lack of content. This is exciting stuff and I look forward to starting officially from lvl 1 ! Thus, thank you Cryptic! :)
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  • magnumstarmagnumstar Member Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I understand some of the trepidation expressed by some of the folks that have been here for awhile, they've had the rug pulled out from under their feet before But Cryptic has posted start at lvl 1 on the web page, something they haven't done in the past. I don't think they would do this if they didn't intend or think they could deliver it. Some think the thank you is premature but I heard the Devs put in 60 hr weeks for this to happen. I heard, but can't substantiate it, that the Company's intention was to leave the KDF like it was but the Dev's worked the extra hours to get the KDF the ability to start at lvl 1. That's time they spent away from their families and things they like to do so we could finally have what we've been asking for.

    Yes all that could be just a rumor and it could turn out that it doesn't happen. And yes my thank you could be premature but remember we here on the forums are quick to criticize the Dev's based on rumors and heresay so if my thank you is premature then it makes up for the times I've jumped the other way and hurled criticsm at them prematurely.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If there is the content we have been waiting for then I will happily thank the dev's for finally doing it, if it's anything else it will probably be the final nail in the coffin.

    I will await till I make my final judgement. I have learnt with this game and company to keep my hopes extremely low so I am not disappointed.
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