My question remains what endgame content klingons cannot run that feds can ? Fleet actions(dps kill feasts) ? From what I've played of the Klingon side they have just about as much pve stuff at end game.... Though considering I do mostly stfs and the season 7 romulan content fleet alert stuff... I don't understand whats wrong here ?
2 fleet actions, that raise a lot of my ire due to the blatant disregard for parity. They copied the KDF version of the minefield event to replace a perfectly functioning Federation event, but couldn't be bothered to do the same in reverse for the KDF. Small, yes, but indicative of the problem that has manifest the entire time. "Fed's need this, its wicked cool, KDF, Meh, who cares."
And a ton of story episodes that just need a few text tweaks and they become perfectly viable KDF missions. Of course it makes no sense that we would have the Fed's Klingon arc, but with all the ways the Feds and KDF are buddy-buddy throughout the rest of the game there is no good reason why they couldn't just release the rest of those episodes on both sides, and in the interest of mutual co-operation the Feds work with some KDF personal. It is very Starfleet, and we have instances of it all throughout the game. You get to see one every time you dock at DS9 as a KDF.
Bottom line is nobody cares enough to hit copy/paste. That's sad and unnecessary.
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Maybe I'm missing it, but where is it said that they get no new content at all? For all you know, there is a TRIBBLE ton of KDF specific content being add to help them from level 1 to 25. It's way too early to cry DOOM! over stuff you haven't even play tested yet. Wait for it to hit Tribble and try it out. If there is no new KDF missions added, then by all means complain.
While I agree that the OP's statement is jumping the gun and has no basis in fact... I also have to say that to suggest that there will be a "TRIBBLE ton of KDF specific content being add" has to be one of the most humorously blind and hopeful things I have read in awhile...
History is quite clear on this issue: The KDF MAY if it is extremely LUCKY get a TINY bit of specific content (likely related to their academy) and that would be about it.
However, the Romulans will not fair much better. They will get some spit and polish at the moment and then they will sell a few C-Store ships for them and do some lock boxes for the Remans and maybe the Tal'Shiar and then later the Iconians and then they will probably gather dust like the KDF does.
Each one of those klingon fans = a dozen fed fans. Any dork can put on a 10 dollar t-shirt and a fed communicator pin and be instantly recognized, but a klingon uniform is much more expensive as well as make-up ,wigs and weapons.
You have a point there. Showing up at conventions as a Klingon isn't easy to pull off, especially if you want to avoid looking like TRIBBLE. Facemasks/makeup take money and effort to put on or wear, the uniforms often have to be made by the fan themselves or cobbled together from various parts, and so on. It's easier to dress up as a Feddie, because almost all the Feddies on the show were humans wearing now easily-obtainable costumes.
Hell, even I have a communicator pin I could wear, since I got it from the Collector's Edition box for STO, and I'm not really a Federation fan. Just get a proper TOS-style shirt and I'd pass muster at a convention.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Guise. Guise. The announcement was just released a few hours ago, and it was rather thin on the details. I also have my grievances with Cryptic regarding the past treatment of the KDF, but that's no reason to start jumping down their throats about the KDF being shortchanged this time 'round. It is neither confirmed nor denied that the new levels 1-20 will have new content to fill them. All we know is that the faction will be re-expanded to levels 1-50, and we will be getting a UI makeover.
How about we KDF players just hold off on criticizing Cryptic until we've actually seen what they come out with?
As for Federation players that talk about KDF 'whining': Bugger off. Whether or not you want to admit it to yourselves, the Federation has been the spoiled child of STO, and the KDF has been getting the crumbs left behind. We do NOT have a clear edge when it comes to ship quality (Federation have better escorts, and have science ships), and what edge the KDF did have has been watered down by KDF exclusives given to Federation players who only stamp their feet and ask for more (and 'suggesting' that more KDF exclusives be given away). More than half the game's content is modeled after Federation thinking, so all that content is effectively Federation-biased, and some of the content is available to both sides. The KDF has a few story arcs for themselves.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
By that analogy, noone should hope for change. If people didn't believe that changes were possible, we'd be still living in caves and beating rocks together.
Which is how it was for a long time and there were no 'substantial new players' in fact the player base was smaller than it is now
You forgot to mention that the KDF then had zero content compared to what the KDF has today. I'm not saying that it doesn't lack in comparison to the Fed., but there is a difference and thus the smaller number of players. Also more people play STO now than then.
Nope. Go back and read what dstahl actually said
Stahl said nothing. You are driving conclusions out of nothing just as the other poster.
it said nothing of the sort
This I agree with! Nothing of sort was mentioned, Romulan or Klingon related.
yeah. like they did when they could do that before, right?
Before you have to go through 25 levels of Fed. to make a KDF char. And then replay the Devidian missions that you just finished on your Fed.
If you can't see how the option for new STO players to start as KDF from the begining would reflect positively on the faction, I really don't know what to say.
we had 1-50 before, no influx of players. a UI doesn't do squat
Again, the KDF may had that before, but that 'before' being a time when the KDF was considered a PvP faction by the devs. and had zero content compared to now.
And the UI may not do squat to you or me, but I have talked to dozens of people on these forums only that have a colourblindness/headache problems with the UI and said they'd like to try out Klingon if they could change the UI colours. I can only imagine that there are much more people with similar issues that don't visit the forums.
Nope. you're making assumptions
So are you.
you mean the tutorial that is only 'in discussion' and can't be agreed on yet?
You see, it's all it the way one wants to interprete the things. Mr.Stahl in that interview you're referring to said that they're only discussing the tutorial. Now, from another perspective you could say that the only thing any of them will be discussing during interviews is the tutorial, because it was spoken of before and known to be worked on, keeping any other thing to themselves as they did with all this new stuff untill today.
they weren't locked into it for a long time before that change you know. and they had even fewer players than they do now
Once more, you could say that this was ages ago. Less players played STO and the KDF was viewed as PvP only faction. Seen how small the percentage of dedicated PvPers is today and that more people in STO like to PvE, it's not surprisning that the fation had less players when it was PvP exclusive faction even if you could start as a KDF.
thats not a full faction. we already had that with 8 missions and a handfull of never ending patrol missions that make you want to hang yourself after the 30th one
He didn't say it is. He said it's becomming a full faction, which it slowly is and a few very important steps have been made in that direction today.
no they aren't. they already said they weren't. and no 'probably' they either are or are not
Wrong, they actually said that new FEs will come with the next update.
except, you know, most current KDF players did just that. I know I did
Yes, but I don't believe the Cryptic devs. to be still counting on that, today, 2.5 years after that. And noone still has any proof of what they plan for the leveling.
you have stated no facts, just assumptions based on nothing
As did you, based on past experiences that you don't expect to ever change.
we have been told nothing of the sort
Again, with this I agree, although you can't blame people for logically expecting it.
no, the reason people don't play the KDF is that there is nothing to play
That is not true. There's plenty to play as KDF. There is just more to play on the Fed side, which is completely unfair and lousy treatment of the factions, but you can't really say there is nothing to do on the KDF.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you are wrong about anything you said in your post, you could be hitting it right on the spot for all I know.
The point I want to make is that this whole debate is based on assumptions from both perspecitves - the negative & the positive one. We just don't really know anything yet. And since the whole discussion is based on assumptions, I'd rather assume that positive things are comming, rather than getting dissapointed over negative assumptions.
None of theses changes are even in effect yet and already a doom thread. OP, get some perspective man.
Let's wait on whining until after you are hurt. This isn't futbol where a guy falls on the ground holding his leg crying out an Oscar performance quality act before the guy with the ball even kicks him. We've been told we are getting 1-25 content. We've asked for that. We will have it. Be happy.
Anyone starting a Romulan faction is going to be grinding with fewer player from now till hell freezes to get a star base and embassy complete. But good on them. They have the faction they want. Cool. Be happy for them.
Nah, OP's just a troll trying to stir up ****, he made a similar thread on 1-2 other subforums. I don't think most of the KDF community is that disappointed. At most, people are surprised. . .I don't think a lot of folks (including me) expected a Romulan faction so quickly. I was personally thinking either later this year, or early 2014. Perhaps Cryptic has recently had the opportunity to expand its development staff, enabling much more impressive progress to be done.
If the KDF is re-expanded to 1-50 and that's accompanied with good content to fill the gaps, and we get the option to have something other than a red UI, AND we even get a nice ship to buy. . .that's good enough for me. That's the kind of KDF development I want to see from Cryptic. Another 1-2 expansions like that and the KDF would pretty much be complete.
We'll have to see.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
I think most Klings will still play Klings. Its mostly rom fanboys who now play an alien fed will jump ship to the rom faction. This is good it will balance the current fed 80% vs kdf 20% out a bit.
Kerrat will be a very interesting place with three factions there (the rom ships will undoubtly have cloak) but kdf will still kick TRIBBLE in pvp.
Feds will cry even more now that there will be 2 factions with cloaked ships.
Now if they could just add a cardie faction too...
Yeah, Ker'rat will get MUCH more interesting with the addition of a 3rd PvP factor. Especially since all the Romulan ships should have cloaks, as well. More hidden foes for the Federation to be terrified of.
And yeah, I'll still be playing KDF. I might start a Romulan toon just to see what it's like, and keep the toon if I like it well enough, but the KDF will continue to be my primary faction of choice.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
With posts like this, it's easy to learn Klingonese:
"Wah, wah, WAH!" Did I get that right? I remember people like the OP threatening to leave in a whiney tiff "If the Romulan faction got released before the KDF was 'finished'"
Door's right there, guise. Close it on the way out.
It's sad that the whiney but extremely vocal minority of KDF players makes the rest of us unsympathetic to your perceived slights. "Wah, I hate cryptic, we never get anything!"
What you don't get is that your negative ninny attitude is what will turn off a lot of new KDF players once the expansion hits. All a person needs to do is read the boards for a week to get familiar with the "poor, mistreated, shafted KDF" spiel.
Well I think we all saw this kind of thread coming and many more to follow.
I would agree with this statement if it wasn't already been stated by dstahl that KDF will be getting KDF only content in the may update a long with the romumlan stuff soo yeah this thread is ironic pointless.
Gotta love dat impulse raging on a gaming forum, just too good.
With posts like this, it's easy to learn Klingonese:
"Wah, wah, WAH!" Did I get that right? I remember people like the OP threatening to leave in a whiney tiff "If the Romulan faction got released before the KDF was 'finished'"
Door's right there, guise. Close it on the way out.
It's sad that the whiney but extremely vocal minority of KDF players makes the rest of us unsympathetic to your perceived slights. "Wah, I hate cryptic, we never get anything!"
What you don't get is that your negative ninny attitude is what will turn off a lot of new KDF players once the expansion hits. All a person needs to do is read the boards for a week to get familiar with the "poor, mistreated, shafted KDF" spiel.
You planning on making a Romulan? What do you plan to do when the federation only faction on these forums start calling you and your fellow Romulan enthusiasts a whiney but extremely vocal minority?
I'm very curious to see how that goes.
You planning on making a Romulan? What do you plan to do when the federation only faction on these forums start calling you and your fellow Romulan enthusiasts a whiney but extremely vocal minority?
I'm very curious to see how that goes.
I will indeed roll a Romulan. However, I neither expect nor demand "equal content" to the Fed side, as I'm realistic and know it will never happen.
Nor will I bring it up EVERY TIME any new content gets released, whether it benefits me or not.
Nor will I make sure to complain when any other faction gets something new. Because I'm actually glad for them, and I'm not entitled. You still fail to see that this "woe is me" attitude will alienate new KDF recruits who are here to have fun (what a novel concept), and not to hear the same old laundry list of gripes. I have 3 mains (2 KDF, 1 Fed) and have almost every C-Store KDF ship, so this is certainly not coming from a Klingon hater.
Is your curiosity sated?
And for the record, I fully support your motion for a Fleet Exeter, and would be among the first in line to buy it!
Klingons... bahhh! Same sad story I've heard since beta. Never liked Klingon caveman ethics. Besides they have technology that can cloak ships but yet they haven't the carnal knowledge to fix their hideous crooked, disgusting, carnival looking teeth. Their oral hygiene is wickedly disgusting, can only imagine what that breath smells like.
You planning on making a Romulan? What do you plan to do when the federation only faction on these forums start calling you and your fellow Romulan enthusiasts a whiney but extremely vocal minority?
I'm very curious to see how that goes.
yup, wait a 6 months after their launch, you will se it.
Klingons... bahhh! Same sad story I've heard since beta. Never liked Klingon caveman ethics. Besides they have technology that can cloak ships but yet they haven't the carnal knowledge to fix their hideous crooked, disgusting, carnival looking teeth. Their oral hygiene is wickedly disgusting, can only imagine what that breath smells like.
...
*breaths on Federation, watches it collapse*
KDF WINS!
You know, Klingons themselves don't strike me as the kind who complain a lot.
but really, when you think about it, no one is actually Klingon...
no one is really Romulan or Cardasian.
Or Borg or etc.
We are all Human...
And humans are in the Federation...
So really, all the complaints are Fed!!!
With posts like this, it's easy to learn Klingonese:
"Wah, wah, WAH!" Did I get that right? I remember people like the OP threatening to leave in a whiney tiff "If the Romulan faction got released before the KDF was 'finished'"
Door's right there, guise. Close it on the way out.
It's sad that the whiney but extremely vocal minority of KDF players makes the rest of us unsympathetic to your perceived slights. "Wah, I hate cryptic, we never get anything!"
What you don't get is that your negative ninny attitude is what will turn off a lot of new KDF players once the expansion hits. All a person needs to do is read the boards for a week to get familiar with the "poor, mistreated, shafted KDF" spiel.
dude... prove where I said I would leave... or shut up.
Well I think we all saw this kind of thread coming and many more to follow.
I would agree with this statement if it wasn't already been stated by dstahl that KDF will be getting KDF only content in the may update a long with the romumlan stuff soo yeah this thread is ironic pointless.
Gotta love dat impulse raging on a gaming forum, just too good.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure the OP is trolling anyways. He's made 1-2 other such threads on other subforums, so. . .
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
Its common sense. Deductive process applied to currently known data and pattens of behavior.
I'm actually a little relieved at seeing I'm not the only one with reasonable misgivings.
1- This is a money making effort. The whole game that is. For the past 2+ years Cryptic has consistently demonstrated AND stated that the reason KDF gets no attention is because they are the lowest metric.
2- The addition of a third faction splits the resource allocation into three not two. So now, instead of having to decide whether to allocate resources to Federation of KDF they have Romulans to consider as well.
Taking into account #1 ... the Romulan faction will now explode into the #1 population faction due to every federation and KDF player having one character there. This puts Romulan as #1 faction and KDF as #3. Metrics for KDF were already stated to be around 12% of the population... so in a three-way split of factions, the KDF will not only be on the bottom third but it will be so, so far under in % of players that metrics-wise KDF will simply not be worth the expenditure of resources in any meaningful way (aka new ships, unique cstore ships, etc). In short, this faction is done and over with.
I've always felt that a few extra levels would make no difference the durability or stickyness of a faction. I can even attest to the fact that levelling my fed alts I couldn't wait to get the story missions done the second and third time around. These days all my alts are levelled by Doffing and I'm quite grateful for that.
I think the real reason the KDF would get the extra levels (assuming those levels are even story misssions, they may very well get to start at lvl 1 then get bumped up to lvl 25, or existing missions could have been changed to award more XP, or maybe the extra levels are based around some srt of grindable mechanic) is so that Cryptic can say "see? its done! We support our games!" and not have to worry about their credibility on the sustainability of future factions. What this might really mean for KDF players is that they loose one of their more common reasons to complain. Its much harder to say the KDF is unfinished if you're talking about ships and costumes.
3- Romulan faction comes just in time when most fed and kdf fleets are reaching tier 5 starbase. This is a whole new grindfest and resource sink for players. It took a year to develop romulan faction (new ships, storylines, etc) and that is as long as the starbase tier 5s take. Considering this pattern, they will begin work now on the fourth faction that will be introduced late in 2014. This means that during this year there will be virtually no manpower left to give KDF attention or goodies. Aside from stupid copy/paste and lockbox scamjunk.
While most of us will definitely make a Rom alt (if only for the new story content), I doubt many of us will work through the various grinds again. This makes me doubt the long term viability of a Rom faction. Cryptic would be foolish to go all out on the Rom faction while ignoring their fed players. Players that are extremely unlikely to want to do whole new grinds without really finding new players to fill their expected rom faction cashcow. I honestly think they overestimate how many people are Rom fans that would be willing to start from scratch.
What I CAN see them doing though, is to have much shorter grinds for the Omega and Rom Colony reps as well as starbases that are built in much shorter times. It'd create a horrendous backlash from players but I can see them thinking they could get away with it. Removing the biggest obstacles in players wanting to invest in grinding with their Rom alts.
4- Stuff goes to what makes money. Romulan faction will be the new money maker for them. Fully expect tons of lobi and zen store purchasable stuff for romulan faction... it will be the irony of this game that the federation will now be feeling the abandoment in a fashion that the KDF suffered these past few years. any new ships will be mostly romulan.
It WOULD be just like Cryptic to do this wouldn't it? But like I said above, the trick is to make the romulan faction enticing without alienating or angering most of your playerbase. They'd better be ready for some fancy footwork! Of course, they could just design the Rom faction, as well as all other future factions as more or less self contained factions that they know people won't really invest in for long.
*sigh* I think i've become the very definition of the bitter vet player lol. But after what they've done to Champions Online nothing Cryptic does would surprise me.
I don't understand this negativity from the OP, other than to be sure he is just trolling. I've been waiting to start a level 1 KDF character for 3 years and this is excellent news, plus I will be able to play on the Rommie side too! How awesome is that? And that's not taking the other features into account, such as the customizable UI!
Had spearhawk2013 said "it's unlikely that..." or "I picked up a bit of information today from someone I trust" like khemaraa in the other thread, I'd be fine.
It's somehting that can be discussed or guessed and bantered about..
But spearhawk2013 stated what he stated as a though it were a fact.
"KDF will get nothing, nada, zilsh. "
And this is something he should back up.
If I were to open a thread and state "the KDF gets a new ship" people would ask me where I knew this from and whether I'd know what kind of ship, what it looks like and so on.
If I were to write the KDF will never get any new ships whatsoever, people would aks me where I kne this from.
They'd want me to back up what I said because it was said like it was fact.
And that's what I want from him too.
I understand what you are saying. I aimed my statement for you, but also as a way to question the new factions appearance, quality and the impact of it in regards to the KDF.
I believe spearhawk2013 was saying what he said in the belief that the KDF is going to be left by the wayside, which I am also concerned about.
I don't understand this negativity from the OP, other than to be sure he is just trolling. I've been waiting to start a level 1 KDF character for 3 years and this is excellent news, plus I will be able to play on the Rommie side too! How awesome is that? And that's not taking the other features into account, such as the customizable UI!
Thank you Cryptic.
How awesome it is depends primarily on the content itself. For instance, what prevented you from playing a Klingon from level 5 three years ago? That's when I made mine.
How awesome it is depends primarily on the content itself. For instance, what prevented you from playing a Klingon from level 5 three years ago? That's when I made mine.
Lack of content, you know why, but I seriously doubt they will make that same mistake now. Well lets hope. That's when I made my fist Orion character .
We all know that Klinkons has been treated badly my Cryptic, very little content and compared to Federation very few ships and other stuff. and now Cryptic releases another faction.
This is the final nail in the coffin of KDF.
So can I infer from your posted opinion that the devs need no longer work on ANY content for the KDF because the KDF is about to be buried and no one will ever bother playing it again? :rolleyes:
The way I see it now if the devs want to redskin missions for the Klingons they can use Romulan missions, I mean its what the guys running a trek thingy have been doing since TWOK so why complain now
2 fleet actions, that raise a lot of my ire due to the blatant disregard for parity. They copied the KDF version of the minefield event to replace a perfectly functioning Federation event, but couldn't be bothered to do the same in reverse for the KDF. Small, yes, but indicative of the problem that has manifest the entire time. "Fed's need this, its wicked cool, KDF, Meh, who cares."
And a ton of story episodes that just need a few text tweaks and they become perfectly viable KDF missions. Of course it makes no sense that we would have the Fed's Klingon arc, but with all the ways the Feds and KDF are buddy-buddy throughout the rest of the game there is no good reason why they couldn't just release the rest of those episodes on both sides, and in the interest of mutual co-operation the Feds work with some KDF personal. It is very Starfleet, and we have instances of it all throughout the game. You get to see one every time you dock at DS9 as a KDF.
Bottom line is nobody cares enough to hit copy/paste. That's sad and unnecessary.
I could honestly care less about the fleet actions... but if klingon player would like them.. I don't see why they don't make similar clones, maybe even reverse clones. Like a klingon fleet action were you attack a fed base...
I do agree with some tweaks klingons could get some of the fed mission they don't have. Maybe that's apart of the content they plan on adding...
The Devs can't spend money, time and effort on the KDF because it has such a tiny player-base and doesn't make any money when you compare it to the feds.
Flesh out missions 1-20, allow players to start with KDF from the start, get more players playing the faction - then it becomes worthwhile and profitable to make new content/ships/stories for them.
This demonstrates a great paradox with this game:
Cryptic won't devote resources to the Klingon faction because of low numbers, but few playes play the Klingon faction because Cryptic won't devote resources to the Klingon faction.
If you build it they will come.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
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2 fleet actions, that raise a lot of my ire due to the blatant disregard for parity. They copied the KDF version of the minefield event to replace a perfectly functioning Federation event, but couldn't be bothered to do the same in reverse for the KDF. Small, yes, but indicative of the problem that has manifest the entire time. "Fed's need this, its wicked cool, KDF, Meh, who cares."
And a ton of story episodes that just need a few text tweaks and they become perfectly viable KDF missions. Of course it makes no sense that we would have the Fed's Klingon arc, but with all the ways the Feds and KDF are buddy-buddy throughout the rest of the game there is no good reason why they couldn't just release the rest of those episodes on both sides, and in the interest of mutual co-operation the Feds work with some KDF personal. It is very Starfleet, and we have instances of it all throughout the game. You get to see one every time you dock at DS9 as a KDF.
Bottom line is nobody cares enough to hit copy/paste. That's sad and unnecessary.
Fleet Admiral Space Orphidian Possiblities Wizard
Klingon "Mom the Human and Romulan got more cake then I did!"
Klingon's Mother "but my Klingon son the cake is still in the oven."
While I agree that the OP's statement is jumping the gun and has no basis in fact... I also have to say that to suggest that there will be a "TRIBBLE ton of KDF specific content being add" has to be one of the most humorously blind and hopeful things I have read in awhile...
History is quite clear on this issue: The KDF MAY if it is extremely LUCKY get a TINY bit of specific content (likely related to their academy) and that would be about it.
However, the Romulans will not fair much better. They will get some spit and polish at the moment and then they will sell a few C-Store ships for them and do some lock boxes for the Remans and maybe the Tal'Shiar and then later the Iconians and then they will probably gather dust like the KDF does.
You have a point there. Showing up at conventions as a Klingon isn't easy to pull off, especially if you want to avoid looking like TRIBBLE. Facemasks/makeup take money and effort to put on or wear, the uniforms often have to be made by the fan themselves or cobbled together from various parts, and so on. It's easier to dress up as a Feddie, because almost all the Feddies on the show were humans wearing now easily-obtainable costumes.
Hell, even I have a communicator pin I could wear, since I got it from the Collector's Edition box for STO, and I'm not really a Federation fan. Just get a proper TOS-style shirt and I'd pass muster at a convention.
How about we KDF players just hold off on criticizing Cryptic until we've actually seen what they come out with?
As for Federation players that talk about KDF 'whining': Bugger off. Whether or not you want to admit it to yourselves, the Federation has been the spoiled child of STO, and the KDF has been getting the crumbs left behind. We do NOT have a clear edge when it comes to ship quality (Federation have better escorts, and have science ships), and what edge the KDF did have has been watered down by KDF exclusives given to Federation players who only stamp their feet and ask for more (and 'suggesting' that more KDF exclusives be given away). More than half the game's content is modeled after Federation thinking, so all that content is effectively Federation-biased, and some of the content is available to both sides. The KDF has a few story arcs for themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you are wrong about anything you said in your post, you could be hitting it right on the spot for all I know.
The point I want to make is that this whole debate is based on assumptions from both perspecitves - the negative & the positive one. We just don't really know anything yet. And since the whole discussion is based on assumptions, I'd rather assume that positive things are comming, rather than getting dissapointed over negative assumptions.
Nah, OP's just a troll trying to stir up ****, he made a similar thread on 1-2 other subforums. I don't think most of the KDF community is that disappointed. At most, people are surprised. . .I don't think a lot of folks (including me) expected a Romulan faction so quickly. I was personally thinking either later this year, or early 2014. Perhaps Cryptic has recently had the opportunity to expand its development staff, enabling much more impressive progress to be done.
If the KDF is re-expanded to 1-50 and that's accompanied with good content to fill the gaps, and we get the option to have something other than a red UI, AND we even get a nice ship to buy. . .that's good enough for me. That's the kind of KDF development I want to see from Cryptic. Another 1-2 expansions like that and the KDF would pretty much be complete.
We'll have to see.
Yeah, Ker'rat will get MUCH more interesting with the addition of a 3rd PvP factor. Especially since all the Romulan ships should have cloaks, as well. More hidden foes for the Federation to be terrified of.
And yeah, I'll still be playing KDF. I might start a Romulan toon just to see what it's like, and keep the toon if I like it well enough, but the KDF will continue to be my primary faction of choice.
"Wah, wah, WAH!" Did I get that right? I remember people like the OP threatening to leave in a whiney tiff "If the Romulan faction got released before the KDF was 'finished'"
Door's right there, guise. Close it on the way out.
It's sad that the whiney but extremely vocal minority of KDF players makes the rest of us unsympathetic to your perceived slights. "Wah, I hate cryptic, we never get anything!"
What you don't get is that your negative ninny attitude is what will turn off a lot of new KDF players once the expansion hits. All a person needs to do is read the boards for a week to get familiar with the "poor, mistreated, shafted KDF" spiel.
I would agree with this statement if it wasn't already been stated by dstahl that KDF will be getting KDF only content in the may update a long with the romumlan stuff soo yeah this thread is ironic pointless.
Gotta love dat impulse raging on a gaming forum, just too good.
I'm very curious to see how that goes.
I will indeed roll a Romulan. However, I neither expect nor demand "equal content" to the Fed side, as I'm realistic and know it will never happen.
Nor will I bring it up EVERY TIME any new content gets released, whether it benefits me or not.
Nor will I make sure to complain when any other faction gets something new. Because I'm actually glad for them, and I'm not entitled. You still fail to see that this "woe is me" attitude will alienate new KDF recruits who are here to have fun (what a novel concept), and not to hear the same old laundry list of gripes. I have 3 mains (2 KDF, 1 Fed) and have almost every C-Store KDF ship, so this is certainly not coming from a Klingon hater.
Is your curiosity sated?
And for the record, I fully support your motion for a Fleet Exeter, and would be among the first in line to buy it!
yup, wait a 6 months after their launch, you will se it.
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*breaths on Federation, watches it collapse*
KDF WINS!
but really, when you think about it, no one is actually Klingon...
no one is really Romulan or Cardasian.
Or Borg or etc.
We are all Human...
And humans are in the Federation...
So really, all the complaints are Fed!!!
edit: this excludes tacofangs of course.
dude... prove where I said I would leave... or shut up.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure the OP is trolling anyways. He's made 1-2 other such threads on other subforums, so. . .
*sigh* I think i've become the very definition of the bitter vet player lol. But after what they've done to Champions Online nothing Cryptic does would surprise me.
Thank you Cryptic.
I understand what you are saying. I aimed my statement for you, but also as a way to question the new factions appearance, quality and the impact of it in regards to the KDF.
I believe spearhawk2013 was saying what he said in the belief that the KDF is going to be left by the wayside, which I am also concerned about.
Lack of content, you know why, but I seriously doubt they will make that same mistake now. Well lets hope. That's when I made my fist Orion character
So can I infer from your posted opinion that the devs need no longer work on ANY content for the KDF because the KDF is about to be buried and no one will ever bother playing it again? :rolleyes:
I could honestly care less about the fleet actions... but if klingon player would like them.. I don't see why they don't make similar clones, maybe even reverse clones. Like a klingon fleet action were you attack a fed base...
I do agree with some tweaks klingons could get some of the fed mission they don't have. Maybe that's apart of the content they plan on adding...
This demonstrates a great paradox with this game:
Cryptic won't devote resources to the Klingon faction because of low numbers, but few playes play the Klingon faction because Cryptic won't devote resources to the Klingon faction.
If you build it they will come.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
thats funny cause I have not even BEEN to subforums.... not in aaages...
and as a matter of fact, I don't even HAVE a Klingon. I am Fed but I do am a champion of the rights of ALL faction to have equal amount of content.
Please lie a little bit more. I find it amusing.