While the KDF 1-50 is indeed welcomed news , presented as it is -- is problematic in the short term .
Surely if it is all we hope it is (tutorial + 1-20 mission content) , then along with the Rommy faction is a grand achievement for Cryptic .
However , instead of finishing off the KDF and creating hype around that achievement -- the introduction of the Rommy's feels like a 'stealing of the thunder' from the KDF .
I admit it , it feels like petty complaint , but there you go .
As some have said , things will balance out in the end one way or another , but in a way I can't help but to feel that the KDF should have had it's day (a day of Honor !) -- separately from the Rommy hupplah .
On one hand I can't help but feel that I'm complaining when I should rejoyce , on the other ... maybe a little mor focus on the promotion of the KDF as well sould be taking place , instead of a single shot of a Kligon still using a Fed Tricoder after 3 years ... .
ok thats not true... what criptic has been doing is balancing the factions... and klingon still has the best pvp stuff in the game... you have battle cloak, abilitie to shoot torpedoes without breaking the cloak, carriers that have the highest crew in the game, you have aceton assimilators, drones that drain energy, you have the best combat hangar pets for free players, now if federation had all of this yes you could say criptic was not balancing the factions but we dont have... so dont complain...
And now klingons may start from lvl 1 what more can you ask?
the only thing i would ask for fed side would be the battle cloak, everthing else would just ruin pvp with massive drains until you have no powers...
I disagree:
1) The federation has a cruiser that can mount dual cannons. Even the faster turning cruisers, which are useful with dual cannons in PvE, are not all that useful in PvP due to the fact that most PvPers fly escorts and cruisers just do not turn fast enough to make dual cannons useful.
2) The battle cloak is the one unique thing left to the KDF. It is hardly OP since birds of prey have, by far, the worst stats in the game and the B'rel the lowest stats of all. It takes a lot of skill to learn to use a bird of prey. It is very canon and it is the one really unique thing the KDF has left since carriers were taken away. Take away the Klingon Bird of Prey and you get rid of any uniqueness the faction has left in PvP. I am okay with something like it going to the Romulans, since they are a minority faction too, but not the federation.
3) The special consoles are unique to each faction. The Klinks could just as easily whine about all the nifty fed consoles they do not get and all the consoles will eventually be cross faction.
4) By the same token, I could argue that the Feds are OP because they have mult-vectored escorts, a fast-turning science ship with axillary cannons and a hangar bay, an escort that can mount five dual cannons, et cetera. All these ships are OP and not available in any form to the KDF.
The fact is, the reason the KDF continuously beats you in PvP is NOT because the KDF ships are OP. It is because federation players tend not to be as skilled.
Some of you people really do so much harm to your own cause it's not even funny to watch anymore. It really does ruin it for the sane KDF players, and gives us all a bad name.
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They still have put barely ANY resources in new content for KDF players for the last 3 years other than a few Z-store ships and copy-paste of Fed content
With the amount of resources and effort into building the Romulan Faction, they have to work to recoup the efforts with high player activity and popularity to show that it paid off. the priority will now stay with Fed' and Romulan Empire content
there is still no evidence that the Romulan faction is even a full-content faction and not just a "proto-faction". If this is the case they will show they still don't have the inclination for finishing things they have started
I don't say these things as a harbinger to upset KDF players, but as a way to call out Cryptic for its lack of support FOR the KDF. The proof is in the blood-pudding and it sure seems to not be fresh
I think you meant thins for me.:)
Had spearhawk2013 said "it's unlikely that..." or "I picked up a bit of information today from someone I trust" like khemaraa in the other thread, I'd be fine.
It's somehting that can be discussed or guessed and bantered about..
But spearhawk2013 stated what he stated as a though it were a fact.
"KDF will get nothing, nada, zilsh. "
And this is something he should back up.
If I were to open a thread and state "the KDF gets a new ship" people would ask me where I knew this from and whether I'd know what kind of ship, what it looks like and so on.
If I were to write the KDF will never get any new ships whatsoever, people would aks me where I kne this from.
They'd want me to back up what I said because it was said like it was fact.
And that's what I want from him too.
* Start at level 0 (often the devs get it wrong and say level 1, but you get the point) as your first character. This alone is huge -- as everyone was forced to play Fed for 25 levels (unlocking KDF at level 24) before they got a chance at KDF. At that point they were too invested in their character to immediately start over and make a new character.
* Brand new tutorial. The current one wasn't exactly the best and paled in comparison to Fed version.
* New UI options. While it didn't bother me at all, I've heard many people complain the red caused headaches and they literally could not look at their screen with that much red without getting ill. Now that limitation will be a thing of the past.
If Cryptic is smart they will focus a lot of their attention on fleshing out the Klingon and Romulan factions for the rest of the year (at least) since Federation is in a solid spot.
You are NEVER going to get the level of consideration that the Fed's get...
(and neither is the Romulan Faction)
It's just not going to happen and it's mainly due to Monetary Considerations.
(Not because anybody at Cryptic hates Klingons &/or Romulans)
If the Klingon (or Romulan) player-base were able to spend money on an equal footing as the Federation player-base, it might have been possible...
But they don't.
This is not to say that the KDF or the Rom's will never again get things added to the game for them...
It's just a factual realization that Cryptic is always going to put more emphasis on the player-base that is the largest and spends the most...
I'm sorry, but that ain't the KDF.
Enjoy what ya got and make the best of it, cause pizzin' and moanin' is just going to make YOU miserable.
<shrug>
And ths.
If posts had a "like" button I would not have had to quote them. It looks to me that the KDF will get 0-25 play the same time that the Romulan fans get their Romies and that is pretty much fair.
I mean yeah the KDF fans were promised full faction play through before any new faction was added, but hey, simultaneous is the next best thing. As long as it is simultaneous.
Of course most of the Romie players will not know how good they have it as many of them will have never played KDF. Then they'll holler how they should get more support than the KDF as they have a bigger population. Of course you'll have to wait a year to see how the populations really shake down as the novelty of new faction play will throw off the reliability of any such "metrics."
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
If the Klingon (or Romulan) player-base were able to spend money on an equal footing as the Federation player-base, it might have been possible...
This is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Cryptic makes trrible stuff (like poor ships) for Klingons and then wonders why no one will buy. If something worthy of real money was placed in the Zen store than I bet people would buy it.
Don't make a bad product and then complain when no one buys.
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If I hear one moer person saying that "oh the KDF getting content" and then refering to tutorial and to 1-20 level, I am going to tear my eyeballs out.
So you feel that the KDF has been treated poorly because Cryptic makes new content available to Feds too?
Where did this massive sense of entitlement come from?
My suggestion to you: Go ahead and tear your eyeballs out. Maybe you'll actually have a reason for your tears.
I don't know which is more unbelieveable: The level of self pitying from people who have no cause at all to be pitied, or the total refusal of said people to do anything about a supposed massive injustice by moving on and doing something else with their lives.
We get it, the KDF was released in poor state three years ago, and since then, it doesn't get as many shiny toys as the Fed does, for monetary reasons. Well, guess what? Cryptic doesn't have a time machine, so they're never going to be able to change the way that the game launched, and they can't force any one to play KDF or buy KDF stuff, so there's always going to be less of it.
Cryptic makes trrible stuff (like poor ships) for Klingons and then wonders why no one will buy. If something worthy of real money was placed in the Zen store than I bet people would buy it.
Don't make a bad product and then complain when no one buys.
True...
But the fact still holds that there just isn't ever going to be the same number of Klingon Players as there are Federation players...
Even if the ship in question had been 'perfect' (by whose-ever standards)...
Its sales still would not have been equal to the sales of a similar Fed ship.
Self fulfilling or not... the facts still don't bare out Cryptic putting more effort into KDF (or even Romulan) stuff.
And it always comes down to M O N E Y...
They are giving the KDF another shot in the arm come May...,
Youse folks should really be starting to get your act together and attempt to get as many people as you possibly can, informed of this opportunity...
Not wasting it with negative posts here, where nobody other than "YOU" collectively give a damn.
Get out there and start recruiting past KDF players to come back and help build up your metrics.
THAT is what is going to help most in redefining the KDF player-base...
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If I hear one moer person saying that "oh the KDF getting content" and then refering to tutorial and to 1-20 level, I am going to tear my eyeballs out.
Hi. I'm one moer person. The KDF is getting content, a new tutorial, and starting at level 1.
Cryptic makes trrible stuff (like poor ships) for Klingons and then wonders why no one will buy. If something worthy of real money was placed in the Zen store than I bet people would buy it.
Don't make a bad product and then complain when no one buys.
I think Cryptic has a very good idea as to how many Borts were sold, and I do not believe anyone could call the Bort a "poor ship."
It's not about self-fulfilling prophecies. It's about knowing exactly how many KDF items get sold in the C-Store, knowing how many KDF items are chosen in the Lobi Store, it's knowing how many Fleet ships are sold, and it's knowing exactly how many people log in and play KDF every single day.
The only ones guessing about the data are the KDF fans.
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I don't see this as a doom personally. Just because I will make a Romulan/Reman doesn't mean why KDF won't get any love. My KDF character is already endgame material besides the Romulan reputation (T4 on it though).
I am slightly concerned about grouping up with players now. I think this faction restriction should be taken away from grouping and allowed to have inter faction group system to set queues, other than just private queuing.
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Hi. I'm one moer person. The KDF is getting content, a new tutorial, and starting at level 1.
Please, tear your eyeballs out now.
Go on, do it.
I'll wait.
Funny thing is...
If that person actually did it, you could go back in time continually and watch it over & over again.
:eek::D;)
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That's not the point. The post you quoted was in reply to a complaint that the KDF had no (as in none) content to flesh out their "identity". They do as those 2 story arcs I linked clearly prove.
Sorry I misread your post.
Gotta admit it is kinda short.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
I think most Klings will still play Klings. Its mostly rom fanboys who now play an alien fed will jump ship to the rom faction. This is good it will balance the current fed 80% vs kdf 20% out a bit.
Kerrat will be a very interesting place with three factions there (the rom ships will undoubtly have cloak) but kdf will still kick TRIBBLE in pvp.
Feds will cry even more now that there will be 2 factions with cloaked ships.
Now if they could just add a cardie faction too...
The unfinished state of KDF is acomplaint that I have seen over and over again by KDF players on the forums. It being finished is being accompanied by a third faction, that's all. If you wanted an exclusive shiny 'We finished KDF, there, look, there it is' patch, well, sorry, they went and made more of the player base happy along with it. This expansion looks really good.
The unfinished state of the KDF is not our fault. Its Cryptics. Dont blaim our low but loyal fandom in Sto on thier failing.
If was more fun is a constant complaint Ive heard from normaly fed only players trying the KDF after a while and its one we've seen in these forums from time.
If in fact the MAy release helps us grow and starts the RSE faction thats great. I look forward to it with hope but I can honestly say getting hosed* again is not far from the front of my expectations.
Starting at level 1 can mean much.
It can mean more new KDF content to come or just higher XP rewards for the existing missions.
I'm deeply sceptical if Cryptic will do much for KDF.
You know that is an angle I had not considered. Cryptic does have a reputation for leaking something and then giving you the least desirable version of you wanted. Kinda like the whole B'rel retrofit being able to fire torps while cloaked, only to have the quietest whisper from one of your BOs drop you from cloak.
They're like leprechauns that way.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
"We all know that Klinkons has been treated badly my Cryptic, very little content and compared to Federation very few ships and other stuff. and now Cryptic releases another faction.
This is the final nail in the coffin of KDF."
*dons romulan sunglasses of justice* It looks like... We have a case of bloodwhine.
...less tedious leveling, much better doffing, the best faction-specific episodes (gre'thor-storyline > all other episodes) out there, better and faster access to dilithium as well as the best heavy carrier, carrier pets, escort carrier and faction-specific pvp-ship ingame in combination with 8-weapon slot, cannon-mounting fast-turning cruisers.
Yeah, you're right. The KDF has absolutetly nothing to show for. Really feels like this:
No story content that ties us into the back story of the Path to 2409, no story content to really explain the war with the federation to the klingon player coming up the ranks, no Undine hunt story line considering we discovered them first , small things like poor costume choices, old handicaps that are no longer relevant, purchase choices in the cstore and fleet areas, etc.....
We have gameplay that is fun and profitable for the player but is small and lacks the final substance to be a whole faction.
Thats all I want is to have that wholeness, even if cryptic does pocket off of it.
I would pay a decent KDf cstore package with decent gear and such, I do pay $20 a fleet ship I purchase and I do buy zen on the site and spend it on stuff for sto.
Storyline that ties that faction and its actions into the game firmly as a part of STo is something the faction lacks and has not been given.
No story content that ties us into the back story of the Path to 2409, no story content to really explain the war with the federation to the klingon player coming up the ranks, no Undine hunt story line considering we discovered them first , small things like poor costume choices, old handicaps that are no longer relevant, purchase choices in the cstore and fleet areas, etc.....
We have gameplay that is fun and profitable for the player but is small and lacks the final substance to be a whole faction.
Thats all I want is to have that wholeness, even if cryptic does pocket off of it.
I would pay a decent KDf cstore package with decent gear and such, I do pay $20 a fleet ship I purchase and I do buy zen on the site and spend it on stuff for sto.
Storyline that ties that faction and its actions into the game firmly as a part of STo is something the faction lacks and has not been given.
Perhaps a storyline about the war that broke out with the Klingons and the romulans after the supernova. That hasn't really been explored much or at all in kdf content
This is my concern with the upcoming expansion and addition of KDF content. Not that the KDF simply gets "more stuff", but that it gets more of what it has not seen since Alpha and, before that, since the Fek'Ihri invaded: Content that is uniquely Klingon Empire.
To borrow what I wrote in another thread: 'The KDF actually felt like they were at war with the Federation at some point, but tons of common enemies (in-story reason) and shared-faction content (out-of-story reason) has put the KDF and the Federation on the same foot, essentially nuking that feel. The two almost feel interchangeable now. There's only so much "alliance to defeat common foes/accomplish common goals" one can take before the two pretty much are allies full-time. Who will the de-fanged Klingon Empire be tasked to protect and rescue next?
My KDF Gorn is still grumbling about having to go back in time to rescue the Federation from the Devidians...'
I enjoy the faction-spcific content on the KDF side. I'm there because I want to experience STO through the eyes of a KDF officer, after all. So at least that nugget of the OP's salty whining rings agreeable for me, and if Cryptic can deliver their 1-20 content and fresh tutorial that feels as if it fits in the KDF and is not a conversion of Federation content, then all the better.
We'll see though. Details await.
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Another whining post? Come on...just move on. Its kind of naive to assume KDF got screwed since the whole STO is lagging behind to some degree. Are you for real to tell me with a straight face that FED content superior to KDF?.... NOT.....By the same logic why would KDF be Superior over FED? It just doesnt make sense to me and if you are looking for PERFECTION in a game YOU ARE LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACES. There are so many countless of bugs in FED content/play as well as KDF. There will be some more bugs in Romulan as well...the sooner you come to realize that this is JUST a game and not reality the better for you to get over it or just do some other type of Virtual reality venture...disagree as much as you want but put things into perspective and logical :cool:
right, ever tried levelling a klingon when it started out?
Your experience from launch of STO has absolutely no relevance to a discussion of where the KDF stands today. Please move on, no one cares.
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I'm glad they got more missions, so the T0 and T1 ships can come back. Just wonder if the original KDF stories are going back to their proper levels or the new ones are going to be scooted in as lower tiered missions?
Cryptic makes trrible stuff (like poor ships) for Klingons and then wonders why no one will buy. If something worthy of real money was placed in the Zen store than I bet people would buy it.
Don't make a bad product and then complain when no one buys.
Except Paramount/CBS has market research 9and sale results) that show Klingon (Hell ANY non-Federation as primary focus) games do not sell as much. Star Trek WASN'T focused on the Klingons or Romulans; it was focused on Earth (Humanity) and the Federation Earth was a part of. Does that mean Klingons, Romulans and other elements a smaller subset of the larger Star Trek fanbase identified with weren't fleashed out, or expanded upon? Nope. But I can tell you, EVEN IF the KDF had launched with equal PvE content; you STILL wouldn't have had player numbers equal to those player Fed characters.
Some people just don't identify with the other races/cultures in Star trek, hell even on the Fed side the MOST played race is actually Human. Why? The majority of Star Trek fans want to be or emulate: Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway/Archer; and a much smaller portion want to emulate: Kor/Worf/Tomolak, etc. <--- That's just the way it's been for the past 45+ years of Star Trek.
All that said, I DO hope Cryptic finally DOES actually add enough PvE content to effectively finish the 1-20 portion that 's been missing from the KDF faction; and that the Romulan faction is also a full faction at this expansion's launch -- but we'll see as it hits Tribble/Redshirt; and know once this all his the Live server on May 21,2013.
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Surely if it is all we hope it is (tutorial + 1-20 mission content) , then along with the Rommy faction is a grand achievement for Cryptic .
However , instead of finishing off the KDF and creating hype around that achievement -- the introduction of the Rommy's feels like a 'stealing of the thunder' from the KDF .
I admit it , it feels like petty complaint , but there you go .
As some have said , things will balance out in the end one way or another , but in a way I can't help but to feel that the KDF should have had it's day (a day of Honor !) -- separately from the Rommy hupplah .
On one hand I can't help but feel that I'm complaining when I should rejoyce , on the other ... maybe a little mor focus on the promotion of the KDF as well sould be taking place , instead of a single shot of a Kligon still using a Fed Tricoder after 3 years ... .
I disagree:
1) The federation has a cruiser that can mount dual cannons. Even the faster turning cruisers, which are useful with dual cannons in PvE, are not all that useful in PvP due to the fact that most PvPers fly escorts and cruisers just do not turn fast enough to make dual cannons useful.
2) The battle cloak is the one unique thing left to the KDF. It is hardly OP since birds of prey have, by far, the worst stats in the game and the B'rel the lowest stats of all. It takes a lot of skill to learn to use a bird of prey. It is very canon and it is the one really unique thing the KDF has left since carriers were taken away. Take away the Klingon Bird of Prey and you get rid of any uniqueness the faction has left in PvP. I am okay with something like it going to the Romulans, since they are a minority faction too, but not the federation.
3) The special consoles are unique to each faction. The Klinks could just as easily whine about all the nifty fed consoles they do not get and all the consoles will eventually be cross faction.
4) By the same token, I could argue that the Feds are OP because they have mult-vectored escorts, a fast-turning science ship with axillary cannons and a hangar bay, an escort that can mount five dual cannons, et cetera. All these ships are OP and not available in any form to the KDF.
The fact is, the reason the KDF continuously beats you in PvP is NOT because the KDF ships are OP. It is because federation players tend not to be as skilled.
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I think you meant thins for me.:)
Had spearhawk2013 said "it's unlikely that..." or "I picked up a bit of information today from someone I trust" like khemaraa in the other thread, I'd be fine.
It's somehting that can be discussed or guessed and bantered about..
But spearhawk2013 stated what he stated as a though it were a fact.
"KDF will get nothing, nada, zilsh. "
And this is something he should back up.
If I were to open a thread and state "the KDF gets a new ship" people would ask me where I knew this from and whether I'd know what kind of ship, what it looks like and so on.
If I were to write the KDF will never get any new ships whatsoever, people would aks me where I kne this from.
They'd want me to back up what I said because it was said like it was fact.
And that's what I want from him too.
And there are plenty of FED missions I have no recollection of playing on my KDF toons. Sorry buddy but the inverse is true on this one.
This
And ths.
If posts had a "like" button I would not have had to quote them. It looks to me that the KDF will get 0-25 play the same time that the Romulan fans get their Romies and that is pretty much fair.
I mean yeah the KDF fans were promised full faction play through before any new faction was added, but hey, simultaneous is the next best thing. As long as it is simultaneous.
Of course most of the Romie players will not know how good they have it as many of them will have never played KDF. Then they'll holler how they should get more support than the KDF as they have a bigger population. Of course you'll have to wait a year to see how the populations really shake down as the novelty of new faction play will throw off the reliability of any such "metrics."
This is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Cryptic makes trrible stuff (like poor ships) for Klingons and then wonders why no one will buy. If something worthy of real money was placed in the Zen store than I bet people would buy it.
Don't make a bad product and then complain when no one buys.
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So you feel that the KDF has been treated poorly because Cryptic makes new content available to Feds too?
Where did this massive sense of entitlement come from?
My suggestion to you: Go ahead and tear your eyeballs out. Maybe you'll actually have a reason for your tears.
I don't know which is more unbelieveable: The level of self pitying from people who have no cause at all to be pitied, or the total refusal of said people to do anything about a supposed massive injustice by moving on and doing something else with their lives.
We get it, the KDF was released in poor state three years ago, and since then, it doesn't get as many shiny toys as the Fed does, for monetary reasons. Well, guess what? Cryptic doesn't have a time machine, so they're never going to be able to change the way that the game launched, and they can't force any one to play KDF or buy KDF stuff, so there's always going to be less of it.
True...
But the fact still holds that there just isn't ever going to be the same number of Klingon Players as there are Federation players...
Even if the ship in question had been 'perfect' (by whose-ever standards)...
Its sales still would not have been equal to the sales of a similar Fed ship.
Self fulfilling or not... the facts still don't bare out Cryptic putting more effort into KDF (or even Romulan) stuff.
And it always comes down to M O N E Y...
They are giving the KDF another shot in the arm come May...,
Youse folks should really be starting to get your act together and attempt to get as many people as you possibly can, informed of this opportunity...
Not wasting it with negative posts here, where nobody other than "YOU" collectively give a damn.
Get out there and start recruiting past KDF players to come back and help build up your metrics.
THAT is what is going to help most in redefining the KDF player-base...
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Hi. I'm one moer person. The KDF is getting content, a new tutorial, and starting at level 1.
Please, tear your eyeballs out now.
Go on, do it.
I'll wait.
It's not about self-fulfilling prophecies. It's about knowing exactly how many KDF items get sold in the C-Store, knowing how many KDF items are chosen in the Lobi Store, it's knowing how many Fleet ships are sold, and it's knowing exactly how many people log in and play KDF every single day.
The only ones guessing about the data are the KDF fans.
I am slightly concerned about grouping up with players now. I think this faction restriction should be taken away from grouping and allowed to have inter faction group system to set queues, other than just private queuing.
5 FED Fleets | 3 KDF Fleets - T5 Colony on both factions
Funny thing is...
If that person actually did it, you could go back in time continually and watch it over & over again.
:eek::D;)
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Sorry I misread your post.
Gotta admit it is kinda short.
It can mean more new KDF content to come or just higher XP rewards for the existing missions.
I'm deeply sceptical if Cryptic will do much for KDF.
Kerrat will be a very interesting place with three factions there (the rom ships will undoubtly have cloak) but kdf will still kick TRIBBLE in pvp.
Feds will cry even more now that there will be 2 factions with cloaked ships.
Now if they could just add a cardie faction too...
The unfinished state of the KDF is not our fault. Its Cryptics. Dont blaim our low but loyal fandom in Sto on thier failing.
If was more fun is a constant complaint Ive heard from normaly fed only players trying the KDF after a while and its one we've seen in these forums from time.
If in fact the MAy release helps us grow and starts the RSE faction thats great. I look forward to it with hope but I can honestly say getting hosed* again is not far from the front of my expectations.
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One moer person here again.
You tear out those eyeballs yet, or.....?
(glances at watch...) Take your time, buddy.
You know that is an angle I had not considered. Cryptic does have a reputation for leaking something and then giving you the least desirable version of you wanted. Kinda like the whole B'rel retrofit being able to fire torps while cloaked, only to have the quietest whisper from one of your BOs drop you from cloak.
They're like leprechauns that way.
*dons romulan sunglasses of justice* It looks like... We have a case of bloodwhine.
http://wwwcdn.channel5.com/assets/images/000/000/147/full_left_column_CSI__Miami_-_Horatio_2_-_small.jpg?1282562426
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o
YEEEAAAHHH!
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No story content that ties us into the back story of the Path to 2409, no story content to really explain the war with the federation to the klingon player coming up the ranks, no Undine hunt story line considering we discovered them first , small things like poor costume choices, old handicaps that are no longer relevant, purchase choices in the cstore and fleet areas, etc.....
We have gameplay that is fun and profitable for the player but is small and lacks the final substance to be a whole faction.
Thats all I want is to have that wholeness, even if cryptic does pocket off of it.
I would pay a decent KDf cstore package with decent gear and such, I do pay $20 a fleet ship I purchase and I do buy zen on the site and spend it on stuff for sto.
Storyline that ties that faction and its actions into the game firmly as a part of STo is something the faction lacks and has not been given.
R.I.P
Perhaps a storyline about the war that broke out with the Klingons and the romulans after the supernova. That hasn't really been explored much or at all in kdf content
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This is my concern with the upcoming expansion and addition of KDF content. Not that the KDF simply gets "more stuff", but that it gets more of what it has not seen since Alpha and, before that, since the Fek'Ihri invaded: Content that is uniquely Klingon Empire.
To borrow what I wrote in another thread: 'The KDF actually felt like they were at war with the Federation at some point, but tons of common enemies (in-story reason) and shared-faction content (out-of-story reason) has put the KDF and the Federation on the same foot, essentially nuking that feel. The two almost feel interchangeable now. There's only so much "alliance to defeat common foes/accomplish common goals" one can take before the two pretty much are allies full-time. Who will the de-fanged Klingon Empire be tasked to protect and rescue next?
My KDF Gorn is still grumbling about having to go back in time to rescue the Federation from the Devidians...'
I enjoy the faction-spcific content on the KDF side. I'm there because I want to experience STO through the eyes of a KDF officer, after all.
We'll see though. Details await.
The Artist Formerly Known As Nikotaka ][ Join Date: Jan 2010
"Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers...?"
Your experience from launch of STO has absolutely no relevance to a discussion of where the KDF stands today. Please move on, no one cares.
Pay no attention to the dates and titles under my name at the left! I am a Career Officer, Lifetime Sub since launch, was in the Beta. Having problems with my forum account.
Except Paramount/CBS has market research 9and sale results) that show Klingon (Hell ANY non-Federation as primary focus) games do not sell as much. Star Trek WASN'T focused on the Klingons or Romulans; it was focused on Earth (Humanity) and the Federation Earth was a part of. Does that mean Klingons, Romulans and other elements a smaller subset of the larger Star Trek fanbase identified with weren't fleashed out, or expanded upon? Nope. But I can tell you, EVEN IF the KDF had launched with equal PvE content; you STILL wouldn't have had player numbers equal to those player Fed characters.
Some people just don't identify with the other races/cultures in Star trek, hell even on the Fed side the MOST played race is actually Human. Why? The majority of Star Trek fans want to be or emulate: Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway/Archer; and a much smaller portion want to emulate: Kor/Worf/Tomolak, etc. <--- That's just the way it's been for the past 45+ years of Star Trek.
All that said, I DO hope Cryptic finally DOES actually add enough PvE content to effectively finish the 1-20 portion that 's been missing from the KDF faction; and that the Romulan faction is also a full faction at this expansion's launch -- but we'll see as it hits Tribble/Redshirt; and know once this all his the Live server on May 21,2013.
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