I remember growing up, watching TNG, DS9, and the Kirk movies and the B'rel kicked some serious hindquarters. Yet in-game, its got 3000 less hull than an Aquarius, -1 aft slot compared to a Defiant, and a little balanced console layout.
What ihappened to it? I used to want to buy it, but.... what happened to it?
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The main point of it is to fire torps and drop mines while cloaked, something it does incredibly well when you get the hang of timing your attacks.
but i only see feds getting ships and more and more op everytime 5 front weapons, wheres the kdf 5fronter?
And i got the b'rel and its nice. Believe me a bit more hull doesnt help when you get hit when decloaking having no shields..
Second thing is that the B'rel has 4 Universal Consoles, has the highest baseTurn Rate of any standard ship (not counting fighters and shuttles) in the game AND can fire when cloaked.
That's what the pay-off for a Bird-of-Prey is, it's designed to get in there, shoot stuff and do a lot of damage, then get out again
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Only issue I have with the B'rel is the craptastic fleet version.
Sadly, it is only slightly better than the old one and not worth the bother.
The only BoP that needed more hull was the Fleet Norgh and they finally fixed that.
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maybe it's not as great a torpedo boat as it should be, but it's very great for alphas, since you can activate certain powers under the EBC that you can't under a regular BC until you deactivate it
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^ This.
You can activate most of your skills, hit tractor beam, get your torps in the air, all under cloak, and then decloak and blast those shields away just before your torps hit - which they will because the tractor beam keeps them in place.
You can do madly precise and well set-up alpha's that way.
Unless is reffered to sth. like this:
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Totally just curious for two reasons. First being you can do all the same Tac Alpha prep in any BoP excluding FOMM. That is out of cloak only. Second being, on a B'rel, what are you blasting the shields away with? An energy weapon? I mean cause if you do there goes your enhanced cloak. So I'm just thinking if you like that style you really want a different BoP.
Enhanced cloak is great for dumping out loads of mines, science abilities, etc. Otherewise its no better on precise alphas then any other BoP.
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In motion unloading from inside 3 k at times, in less than 3 seconds from decloak to target destruction. Imma call that madly precise.
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I kept finding even at 3km the other player(if experienced enough) would just press dostribute shields or even RSP and completely negate your alpha
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Except you can't. If you activate FOMM your cloak drops just as if you had fired torpedoes. There's a big mark on your target. They know you're there.
If you activate TB, your cloak drops for the duration of the TB. Except its enhanced Battle Cloak so you still can't fire energy weps, your just outside with no shields.
Jam sensors is a huge waste of time unless your saving it for AFTER a failed attack. Here's the thing, if someone gets jam sensors on them and they don't instantly react it isn't very likely that they would have reacted anyway. If they DO react all you're gonna do is break the jam with your alpha, and now you blew your cover. If your gonna use it, save it for escape.
No one can distribute shields fast enough to save themselves from a decloak alpha from inside 3k. No one. Why? Because Distribute shields as a power isn't fast enough. It is possible that they hit TT in time, but that's the nature of the beast, same with RSP. It happens. The first time you attack them maybe. But from inside 3k in less than 2 secs? Just watch your target and time their buffs and that will stop happening.
I promise.
And yes I've tested all this.
FOMM does not drop an EBC; i should know, i've used it several times in both PvE and PvP and never gotten fired on
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Oh, definitely, you're absolutely right. It's mostly FOMM, TB and I *think* tac fleet when attacking, and the occasional cloaked HE other than that. I use a DBB with preloaded BO3 + BO2 on 125+ weapon power (plus a gratuitus DHC), so yup, energy weapons. Sometimes I swap some sci skills in, but yeah, the B'rel is an account unlock, so I tend to use it on a sci character when I feel like that.
I really do like that style, and I suspect I'd like the Fleet Hoh'sus even more, seeing as it has the extra tac console and the extra hull & shields (I sometimes fall to dogfighting when my mark survives, against my better judgement. It's just too much fun.). The thing is, though, that I don't have access to a T4 fleetyard, and do have a B'rel
The fleet my pvp tac is in is at T2,5-ish, so I hope to get the Fleet Norgh sometime soon. That should be nice, then I can keep my B'rel for when I feel like running science-heavy.
1) When I used to be able to use Tachyon Beam 3, I would jam them and start draining. While this is going on, I'd fire my volleys from 5km+ away. By the time the torpedoes hit them, I'd have already recloaked. I don't do this as much anymore.
2) Whenever I get revealed and I have an escort chasing after me (or multiple enemies), I'll hit them with Jam Sensors so that I can buy myself some time to cloak again.
Right. So. You use it in EXACTLY the way I said to use it, as in #2. And by the way you know that doesn't work on multiple enemies so fine your call there.
Or you use it in some way entirely unrelated to what I was posting on, as in #1. Congrats.
Let me help. This guy is saying he's using a BO3. There will be no enhanced battlecloaking afterwards. It will be 20 seconds. That's what we're discussing.
And you're wrong. Get over it. Log in now, use FOMM and watch your ship go in and out of cloak in exactly the same way as if you had fire torpedoes.
You're right though. You should have known. And you didn't.
Yah science heavy no energy mayhem on a brel is good times.
Fleet Norgh is the best for the TB/BO method. My build is somewhere up on that channel. Having a LtCmder sci makes that work very well.
I think a lot of us give into that dogfighting temptation....its...to...strong!
Peace and happy flying!!
i just did; it didn't drop me out of cloak
check your own facts before you go spouting arrogance
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
A normal BC will stop TB when you activate cloak. An EBC will keep the TB active. For example, when uncloaked mid fight use Boff abilities, TB target, then quick cloak/decloak and the TB stays active throughout and you get cloak damage boost. A BC will deactive the TB when a pilot cloaks. That said, it's not enough anymore as I expand on this a bit later.
While the ship does a "decloak" when using sci/torp abilities it's not a full decloak. Yes the ship would have no shields, but the ship maintains the defense/movement buffs as if it were still cloaked.
B'rels also have an agility bonus over other raiders, the ability to use Sci boff skills et al while cloaked makes this even greater w/the cloak movement bonuses.
That said the 3 omni console layout has it's drawback in terms of damage potential/sci debuffing potential. Personally, I'd prefered the Fleet varient have 4 Sci consoles since there are other raiders w/4 tac consoles and this really is a ship that leans toward a Sci hit&run playstyle which the KDF really could use.
There was a time when B'rels were decent dog fighters w/energy weapons, but that time has passed. It's too far behind in the damage potential, most of the @one time unique Boff layouts other ships have but better (since they have the extra ensign), and it's still on the squishy side of the scale compared to escorts/destroyers.
It's more regulated to a torp, mine, Sci boat now.
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Ironic, isn't it? One of the iconic ships for the Klingons is best used as a medic!
just want to make it clear.
It doesn't take much at all to kill the B'rel after it decloaks, all YOU need to do is tractor it YOURSELF, and pound it to kingdom kum!
It has ZERO survivability once it decloaks.
You would think that if say you give a faction the option to get a console that will seek out cloaked targets (which i believe only seeks out klingon ships) that being there are already so many ways to decloak a ship already that they would buff the b'rel in order to instill value in both products. Sad thing is when they talk about their *VISION* I think they are the only ones who see it because there is so much that can be done in this game but they refuse to do it. Also this is why I'm hoping to find some other game or something to do its just been too long playing this game without much results especially when it comes to the KDF...