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New Negh'Var (and possibilities of newer KDF ships)

zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Heard in interview about a possible Negh'var coming out. I wonder if this will be nixed or if it was allowed to be said because it is actually coming out soon LOL.

My biggest thing personally for the KDF I want to see is a new Negh'var a given, fek'ihr/klingon hybrid raptor, k'vort bop, a b'rel (possibility of a 25th century one) that is actually viable in combat as a torpedo boat, nausicaan ship that can use the labelled "nausicaan siphon pods", gorn zilant, ferasan and lethean ships (personally i just use lockbox ships as mercenary ships since thats as close as we seem to get), and some more bortasqu' type ships but a more sound design to where they are cannon based ships but can actually use DC's and DHC's effectively.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm not sold on the idea of a new Negh'var because, quite frankly, the KDF has the battlecruisers it needs. It'd be sorta hard to improve on the Vor'cha, Tor'kaht, and K'tinga, along with the various other battlecruisers that we have.

    I want a few more raptors and BoPs, and a dedicated end-game sci vessel.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm not sold on the idea of a new Negh'var because, quite frankly, the KDF has the battlecruisers it needs. It'd be sorta hard to improve on the Vor'cha, Tor'kaht, and K'tinga, along with the various other battlecruisers that we have.

    I want a few more raptors and BoPs, and a dedicated end-game sci vessel.

    One reason I would be sold on a new Negh'var is if a new one has a more 25th century version of the one that was used on DS9 in that battle that rocked the TRIBBLE out of DS9's shields. I could agree with you if it didn't boast the fear like that one did and possibly with methods like the vesta has of making its mold into the game.

    Bops I agree but one of the problems I have with the mechanics of them like the B'rel its a great icon from the franchise but it was poorly implemented in how it is represented. Also the fact that its a raiding type ship and besides lack of KDF content there is more federation type things like convoy duty from blockade and not really anything to raid with a raider.

    Klingon Science is kind of a touchy area being that Science was never a strong point in the Klingon Empire and we really only have science due to the cut and paste of federation type content we get but it was considered not so honorable of a profession in the franchise. As far as the game goes I think we have gotten our science ship the kamarag/K'maj but the science department would probally be filled by more gorn and nausicaan ships if they ever allow nausicaan ships to use the tech defined as nausicaan.

    Raptors I definately want to see especially if we could get some variants of fek'ihr and klingon mixed tech possibly romulan too since we are helping them would be nice to see a line of raptors using a hybrid of those 3 technologies.
  • ooiueooiue Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'd be sold on it if it was the Regent's Flagship.... :P :D
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    ooiue wrote: »
    I'd be sold on it if it was the Regent's Flagship.... :P :D

    There's another one... tons of reasons and ideas for making one for the KDF :)
  • dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited March 2013
    In the last 4 hour interview there was a mention about a Negh'var as the next kdf ship.
    I wonder who will buy it if it will be true .I won't .
    I want an escort with 5 tactical consoles and/or 5 fore slots and having a turn rate equal or more than 15.
    I didn't get any other mention about other kdf ships .Maybe I missed it because I skiped some portions of the interview but from I have heard there were no mention about a second kdf ship
    beside the negh'var
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  • dirlettiadirlettia Member Posts: 1,632 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Pretty sure the Negh'var refit was on the list for what the KDF was going to get for when we turned F2P along with another BoP variant if i recall correctly.

    Personally I have never asked for a cruiser KDF side as we have plenty of those but I would like a Raptor with a proper turning ability, maybe shove a single Hanger on it to mirror the Armitage or even a hangar version of the Varanus to mirror the Vesta. And please if you would like us to buy them do not make them a 3-pack!

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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm not sold on the idea of a new Negh'var because, quite frankly, the KDF has the battlecruisers it needs. It'd be sorta hard to improve on the Vor'cha, Tor'kaht, and K'tinga, along with the various other battlecruisers that we have.

    I want a few more raptors and BoPs, and a dedicated end-game sci vessel.

    not true, the kdf are missing a regent stationed ship and an exclecior stationed ship. the fleet vorcha is actually to tactical to be ideal, thanks to tech doffs the fleet ktinga or kamarang, not the fleet vorcha is the best battle cruiser curently.

    a c store negvar with the regent station setup in my opinion would be the perfect battle cruiser. a fleet tkono with the excelsior station setup i would love as well.

    a tier 3 fleet raptor with a LTC sci, and a tier 4 raptor with an LTC eng, would be awesome. a fleet hegh with 10% better stats, and a universal ensign would be awesome. a tier 4 bop with the a 4th sci console would be awesome. these are all great niches that there is plenty of room for on the kdf side
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Are we talking Regent as in the Mirror Universe one?
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    What's the difference between the Regent's one and a regular one anyway? It got its TRIBBLE handed to it fairly easily by the mirror Defiant (which at the time lacked Quantums and had a inexperienced crew) mainly because it couldn't target the Defiant properly, and we already have a slow lumbering ship in the Bortasqu'.

    It would be nice to see a raptor or BOP with 5 forward weapon slots (leaning raptor personally as they are the dedicated escort for us) for a change since we seem to have battlecruisers coming out our TRIBBLE.

    On the other hand its likely cheaper and less effort to just re use the existing Negh'var model.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    What can I say? Im on a Battle Cruiser kick.
    Though I would like a 5/2 5 tac console raptor or a BoP with a bonus Ensign Uslot, not to mention other variants of the Gorn, Orion and other KDF races vessel.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Are we talking Regent as in the Mirror Universe one?

    regent as in c store soverign. im referring to the station setup it has. the c store neg would just be the version you see in DS9, presumably with those large under slung cannons. the neg in game is the one you see in all good things, and is slightly different. maybe it will even have a 5th forward weapon and a kdf version of the andorian wing guns? that almost makes to much sense not to happen actually.
  • coldicephoenixcoldicephoenix Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    regent as in c store soverign. im referring to the station setup it has. the c store neg would just be the version you see in DS9, presumably with those large under slung cannons. the neg in game is the one you see in all good things, and is slightly different. maybe it will even have a 5th forward weapon and a kdf version of the andorian wing guns? that almost makes to much sense not to happen actually.

    That was Gowron's flagship at that time correct?
    Hmm would love to give it a shot with my engineer. If they do introduce it I hope they include those under-slung cannons too..

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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    On one end...the Negh'var is my all-time favorite Klingon ship design (and like 2nd or 3rd overall favorite ship design in all of Star Trek) and would buy this puppy up in a heartbeat and without a second thought, but on the other...

    It'd be another battle cruiser.

    As much as I like the Kamarag, it's still another battle cruiser is all.

    On one hand...I'd LOVE to buy something for the KDF side (which I haven't done in quite awhile), but on the other...I'm worried it'd be gimped/nerfed, or rely on a gimmicky console/power. Or possibly even a Fed equal or better ship.

    I don't care if it'd be a three pack or not honestly, we don't really need that in my opinion. (Though if it does come out, I hope it'd qualify the Fleet Negh'var for the FM discount)



    So in all, I'd buy this regardless, though a battle cruiser isn't what we need. That said, it could have a unique mechanic if they were to take into consideration those nifty under-slung cannon things that were on the Negh'var in DS9, which beat the everliving s*** out of said space-station.

    Perhaps unique DHCs that are slotted in the back (even if it's only one) and a unique firing arc, allowing them to fire forward only like a normal DHC despite being in the back? It'd be particularly interesting if these were allowed on any Battle Cruiser, or at least the Negh'var and Bortas varients.
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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Neggy is fine where it is. How would we wedge it into the Fleet progression, really?

    No, give us the Fleet or C-Store K'Tanco. Right now it's just a wasted art asset. The art is always the hardest part, and the art is already done....why not use it rather than leave it to sit there gathering dust?
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  • ooiueooiue Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Are we talking Regent as in the Mirror Universe one?

    Yep, I'd love that ship :D
    zipagat wrote: »
    What's the difference between the Regent's one and a regular one anyway? It got its TRIBBLE handed to it fairly easily by the mirror Defiant (which at the time lacked Quantums and had a inexperienced crew) mainly because it couldn't target the Defiant properly, and we already have a slow lumbering ship in the Bortasqu'.

    The normal Negh'var is... what... 700m long in Canon?

    The Mirror Negh'var (or Regent Worf's Flagship) is 2.5km long.... yeah :p
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm not a fan of the Negh'var idea. Actually I really think the KDF has more than enough cruisers, and that Cryptic is going to run into profitability issues, which will eventually lead to more of "KDF ships don't have a good enough ROI".

    Currently, the KDF has 8 cruisers/Battlecruisers (fleet ships + 3 bortasqu), 2 escorts, 1 destroyer, 4 raiders, 1 science ship. So if someone really wants a cruiser or battlecruiser, there are already more than enough possibilities. I think there is also a good raiders offer for now.

    While I don't have all the metrics, Fed players may be fond of cruisers, but KDF ones are more raider/escort players. We have a lot of tac chars, which is understandable. It's the red side, aka the silly faction, isn't it?

    I'm still waiting for a good escort, on par with fed ones. You know, something like 5 tac consoles, a cloaking device, and a decent turnrate. I'd even buy a fleet veteran ship if I were allowed to and if it was a vet only purchase. If Cryptic decides to do another battleship and see that they make no money on it I'll never get my raptor 2.0. I'm a bit tired of my excellent Krenn temporal destroyer. I like changing ships once every 2-3 months but I can't.
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  • dabaddabadabaddaba Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If a new version of the Negh'Var is actually going to be put in game do we have any idea on when this could happen?
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    It's tough to put in new Raiders, though. Most ships that roll out are essentially just a new boff layout. The thing is...BoPs don't really have a boff layout, being entirely universal. So the only thing you can really change there is the consoles.
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  • vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm rather hoping for some Ferasan or Lethean ships since we haven't seen anything from those two cultures yet assuming they have ship building facilities.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    As much as I like the Kamarag, it's still another battle cruiser is all.

    Ya, it's a real beauty but I can't bring myself to outfit it much less use it. Can't they do something to it to make it NOT a healboat ? I'd love to use it but it's so disfunctional outside of the team healer role.
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Personally I think that the Negh'Var will turn out to be a "slide-of-hand" on the part of Al.

    It takes no effort, unless it comes out complete remastered as a unique design.

    I can hope for the latter, but I expect a stock standard ship with some minor adjustments. Perhaps Cryptic ship designers just cannot conceptualize truly magnificent KDF ships.

    KDF and any alien ships in Star Trek for that matter, just require more thought and concept than the stock-standard toilet-seat design of the feds.
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    One thing I don't think many have hit on though is that with the Negh'var there are 5 variants of it but this game only has two version of the original from its first release. Notably though because of Kitbash the Regent model and the Endgame model are virtually the same except for those 2 had something similar to the DBB's we have in the game but the 2 DS9 versions were more like a super cannon. Some could say well you have the autocannon on bortasqu' but like one dev stated when bortasqu' was released it was not designed to use cannons but one of the console powers is a cannon go figure.

    I just hope some thought goes into this ship coming up if it indeed is coming out. The bortasqu' started as some hope for the KDF but in the end it was a huge failure only benefitting the kdf players as a storage ship. Here is to hoping they have learned from their mistakes and will surprise me :)
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    At this news, I have only the following commentary:

    I am underwhelmed. Honestly underwhelmed. Apparently Cryptic's designers feel that in a glutted market, yet another ****** cruiser is just the ticket-as if we weren't already swimming in cruisers on the store-lists, in a game where they've built the mechanics to favour ESCORTS over all other classes in every form of content available, including PvP AND STF's.

    To quote General Martok's forward to the Haynes Klingon Bird of Prey Owner's Workshop Manual:

    "...The Negh'Var reflects nothing about me or my approach to battle...The Vor'cha-Class may be capable of Absorbing an attack by an entire enemy fleet of warbirds and any KNOWN alien Battlecruiser. My preference is to Evade such an attack, not absorb it, and return...from completely unexpected coordinates to neutralize the attack with minimal damage to my flagship and the Fleet. The Vor'cha is incapable of such tactics, thereby allowing massive collateral damage while awaiting the cessation of the alien attack before turning to neutralize the enemy ship."[/i]

    What part of the concept of NOT standing nearly-still while 5-console DHC toting Fedscorts hammer your hull apart do the Devs fail to understand? Spike goes right to hull points, it's not pressure damage (a mythical creature of the distant past-invalidated by the rise of various Rep passives and such that rendered everything BUT the DHC a waste of space...)

    I'm not interested in flying a punching bag suitable only for helping fill the "good day to die" mission. Devs, I want a fighting ship.

    Until one is offered, I'm afraid I'll be passing on the slow-moving punching bags, thanks.

    you say that as if kdf cruisers arent practically escorts already. load them up with DHCs, slot a hold, get 3 tech doffs and 2 copies of AtB, get tet glider an a few flow cap consoles, get DEM3, and go kill escorts at thier own game. i can kill bugs in my fleet tkinga and fleet kamarang. before that i had used the vorcha R and negvar with that setup, it worked on both of those well too.

    the battle cruiser does not have the problems the fed cruiser has, its a ship that can serve any purpse you want it too, so the more battle cruisers with the remaining station niches fed ships already have are a very welcome addition to me.

    before long, i bet there will be fleet tier 3 and 4 raptors, 1 having the MVAM station setup, the other having the armatige station setup. the kdf will get filled out, those would be easy ships to make.
  • generalkrasgeneralkras Member Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    When it comes to ships that are in game being released as playable, I would personally like to see more Fek'ihri ships make the Z-Store cut. In fact on the heels of an widely successful Andorian escort with five fore weapons slots, why not take the in game K'Norr Escort and give it similar BO/Console slotting. It's a nice looking ship, I'd buy it.

    As a console incentive maybe redo the Phase Shift generator so you can simply turn it on and off like a general cloak unless you fire, at which point it goes back to the 10 second effect countdown and then has the three minute cool off. And if they didn't want to just recycle a console with an effect, maybe do another one and make it a console set whose effect changes the one that comes with the Kar'fi. Or if they were uncomfortable with doing the five fore weapons slots for fear of "backlash" from the Feds about how "unfair" it is we get something too, why not make it an Escort Carrier?

    You could have the hanger item it comes with be Tortured Souls and you need to own the ship to get them. I'd pay for it.
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