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So a New Tutorial in May and a few missions is most likely it.

born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
edited February 2013 in Klingon Discussion
From the interview posted today with Mr Stahl it looks like the KDF will get a new tutorial in May, plus a couple Fed missions re-worked for the KDF.

Is this what is expected?
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Umm, yup.

    Actually it's more than I expected for the KDF judging by history, but I'll wait till May before I say "I called it".
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    I'm in the "Wait and see" camp with a side of "Skeptical about the future quality."
    ^ More-or-less the same, about the 'Wait and See' bit
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This really is not a surprise after 3 years of this, it became clear a long time ago that there is only one faction in this game the devs give a damn about.
  • hawks3052hawks3052 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Actually what I expected, so I can't be disappointed. Big words by Stahl but little real efforts.

    Looks like The Romulan fans are the real winners of May.
  • redshirtthefirstredshirtthefirst Member Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hmmm, From my understanding of this interview transcript, it seems more like the tut is the May release, that's all. Re-worked missions seems to be "in discussion" at this time. Could just mean internal discussion phase, and little work down on actual programming/developing on these yet....

    I do not understand the release of a tut without filler missions from it to lvl 20. I thought KDF content was condensed as it is now for this very reason that the small content was too stretched out and needed a lot of grinding to pick up the extra XP.

    At the end, this interview is relatively vague as far as what to expect for KDF... tut for May, what in between, ships?
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  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I really think we should make it very clear we expect more..

    Tutorial, Levelling missions from 1 to 20, additional missions from 20 to 50 to fill some of the holes and give incoming players a better feel for the KDF faction.

    Additional ships would be nice, specificly something to off set the massive advantages the UFP faction has recieved and will continue to recieve in its ship selection.. even if its the SAME currently existing ship models with further updates and tweeks to the stats, or new weapon,system, and BOFF loadouts. Additional character costume options are highly desireable..and I do not mind at all if they are C-Store.

    This faction will never equal the UFP faction for over all content. I am willing to accept this. I how ever am not willing to tolerate this being half a faction, or 2/3rds of a faction, or 3/4's of a faction for another year. If thats all we get is a Tutorial and a smidgen of mission content with excessive XP rewards for a fast levelling track I will have finally hit the point of no longer willing to support STO and will go find another game that is far more balanced in its play. Or even return to a couple of my old favorites.

    We allready made it clear that "all at once" is acceptable..which may mean we don't see anything much at all for the KDF between now and May. But I am hoping that the studio got the clue that the "all at once" had best be fairly substancial.

    I refuse to tolerate for much longer pumping cash into half a MMO. If we don't see substancial improvement to the KDF faction come May/June, I'm gone. The Fed player base can have thier Federation only club.

    I've allready spent a couple thousand or so on this game over the last three years. I'm not that willing to spend any more unless I see some real overall improvement, and inclusuion of what should have been here at game launch.

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  • born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hawks3052 wrote: »
    Actually what I expected, so I can't be disappointed. Big words by Stahl but little real efforts.

    Looks like The Romulan fans are the real winners of May.

    Pretty much as expected for me. They might throw in a KDF adventure zone as well - but I put that on the FAR outside of "might"

    I really wonder what the figures of new KDF player/existing players are now?

    My main KDF fleet House of Beautiful Orions is always busy and rocking - always at the 500 cap - but my old fleet where I keep my original KDF toon and help out with the base - has both feet and 1 arm in the grave.
  • brigadooombrigadooom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    So they'll redo the part of the tutorial where you have to run all aroung Qo'nos? Dat KDF content.
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    We'll get:

    1 butt-fugly nigh useless battlecruiser,
    1 Temporal Ambassador-ish mission and,
    an extended (aka painfully and mercilessly drawn out fun murdering) tutorial which will be basically the same but now are spaced 2 lvls apart with XP reduced to half.
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  • f9thaceshighf9thaceshigh Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    brigadooom wrote: »
    So they'll redo the part of the tutorial where you have to run all aroung Qo'nos? Dat KDF content.

    my bet is they'll probably have a whole new tutorial and rework the existing one to come after that.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    rezking wrote: »
    We'll get:

    1 butt-fugly nigh useless battlecruiser,
    1 Temporal Ambassador-ish mission and,
    an extended (aka painfully and mercilessly drawn out fun murdering) tutorial which will be basically the same but now are spaced 2 lvls apart with XP reduced to half.
    While I doubt we'll get a lot of content, I still highly doubt they'd go with that little either (and besides, the 'half XP' bit sounds like extra work they'd have to do with the systems for no profit).

    Still, I'll stay with the 'Wait and see' attitude.
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    plus a couple Fed missions re-worked for the KDF.

    Did you smoke something illegal? There are no plans for more KDF missions. Just the tutorial and that's it.
    DSTAHL: It is still on our to-do list, but there is no estimate to when these missions will be converted. For now, the only KDF content we're discussing is the upcoming revamp of the Klingon tutorial.

    In my Stahl-English dictionnary, it means:

    - we'll get substandard missions. Kill 5/5. Brag about your kills at the end because you're supposed to be a Klingon warrior. It will feel like doing the Tau Dewa Patrol. For real.
    - they've discussed it. A lot. Because they love discussing about stuff, more stuff, and eventually what could be done for the KDF. They have glorious, epic plans. But in no way it is added to the schedule and turned into something playable. :P
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    And yet players on these forums keep begging Cryptic to make a Romulan Faction. Look at how incapable they are with the KDF.

    To do that to the Romulans as well? It's just going to make more people angry and/or annoyed.
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I don't think they would be reworking the KDF tutorial if they weren't going to give KDF level 1 access without being tied to the Feds.

    Cryptic / PWE isn't stupid. S7 brought in a wave of new and returning players, and its surely no coincidence that S8 launch coincides with the release of Star Trek Into Darkness. They know they will get a lot of new players, and a lot of them will want to play the Klingons. And they will want to play the Klingons immediately.

    A new tutorial is a much bigger investment than porting missions from Fed-side where all the artwork and assets are already there and you just need to tweek some dialogue. It makes no sense to go to the trouble of making a new tutorial if they aren't going to deliver more.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'll wait and see. But the whole thing just seems lackluster thus far. And really, you know, consistent with their past efforts. So I'm not holding my breath with anticipation or anything like that.
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  • blagormblagorm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    From the interview posted today with Mr Stahl it looks like the KDF will get a new tutorial in May, plus a couple Fed missions re-worked for the KDF.

    Is this what is expected?

    Again.. untill my slits see it its a no brainner I wont trust them. They plan it way more toawrds Romualsn (AGAIN) Witch i hate having 2 romulan things together.. S7 and 8
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  • blagormblagorm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hawks3052 wrote: »
    Actually what I expected, so I can't be disappointed. Big words by Stahl but little real efforts.

    Looks like The Romulan fans are the real winners of May.

    Agreed. Click my Link (It is the same one hawk has)
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  • blagormblagorm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I really think we should make it very clear we expect more..

    Tutorial, Levelling missions from 1 to 20, additional missions from 20 to 50 to fill some of the holes and give incoming players a better feel for the KDF faction.

    Additional ships would be nice, specificly something to off set the massive advantages the UFP faction has recieved and will continue to recieve in its ship selection.. even if its the SAME currently existing ship models with further updates and tweeks to the stats, or new weapon,system, and BOFF loadouts. Additional character costume options are highly desireable..and I do not mind at all if they are C-Store.

    This faction will never equal the UFP faction for over all content. I am willing to accept this. I how ever am not willing to tolerate this being half a faction, or 2/3rds of a faction, or 3/4's of a faction for another year. If thats all we get is a Tutorial and a smidgen of mission content with excessive XP rewards for a fast levelling track I will have finally hit the point of no longer willing to support STO and will go find another game that is far more balanced in its play. Or even return to a couple of my old favorites.

    We allready made it clear that "all at once" is acceptable..which may mean we don't see anything much at all for the KDF between now and May. But I am hoping that the studio got the clue that the "all at once" had best be fairly substancial.

    I refuse to tolerate for much longer pumping cash into half a MMO. If we don't see substancial improvement to the KDF faction come May/June, I'm gone. The Fed player base can have thier Federation only club.

    I've allready spent a couple thousand or so on this game over the last three years. I'm not that willing to spend any more unless I see some real overall improvement, and inclusuion of what should have been here at game launch.

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  • blagormblagorm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    diogene0 wrote: »
    Did you smoke something illegal? There are no plans for more KDF missions. Just the tutorial and that's it.



    In my Stahl-English dictionnary, it means:

    - we'll get substandard missions. Kill 5/5. Brag about your kills at the end because you're supposed to be a Klingon warrior. It will feel like doing the Tau Dewa Patrol. For real.
    - they've discussed it. A lot. Because they love discussing about stuff, more stuff, and eventually what could be done for the KDF. They have glorious, epic plans. But in no way it is added to the schedule and turned into something playable. :P

    They said they would do that for 3 years and I am sure they will bail/dissapoint/surpise us and take us down again later. If I dont get a new tutorial OR new missions OR lvl 1-50 soon... I wont be able to stand it
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  • lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    We'll get:

    1 butt-fugly nigh useless battlecruiser,
    1 Temporal Ambassador-ish mission and,
    an extended (aka painfully and mercilessly drawn out fun murdering) tutorial which will be basically the same but now are spaced 2 lvls apart with XP reduced to half.

    i'll be shocked if we get even close to that. sad but true
    And yet players on these forums keep begging Cryptic to make a Romulan Faction. Look at how incapable they are with the KDF.

    To do that to the Romulans as well? It's just going to make more people angry and/or annoyed.

    indeed. and the fact is if they have the time and resources to develop a romulan faction then they certainly have the resources to finish what they already started (and told us over and over and over again they would do BEFORE even considering adding a romulan faction) - the KDF faction. Otherwise they will end up dumping a crappy romulan faction in and then stretching what little resources they have playing catch up for the rest of the games life

    this proves beyond any doubt whatsoever what kind of priorities these people really have. it shows that nothing they say is trustworthy by any stretch of the term. adding a romulan faction in the games current state isn't even a rational thing to do. common sense says you finish what you started or you're just going to end up playing catch up with 3 nowhere near on par with eachother factions. its bad design, its foolish and goes against common sense and reason and more than anything it shows the bizarre mentality that has infected the developers. If there is indeed a romulan faction coming it proves beyond doubt that we've been lied to and that nothing cryptic says can be anything close to being trustworthy. its as simple as that. I repeat - if they can add a romulan faction then it is in their power to have finished the KDF - which is exactly what they have claimed, and never waivered from, since this game started. So why wouldn't they finish it first? 'we can't afford to' or 'it won't make money' or 'we don't have the resources' aren't valid excuses, if they can do a romulan faction

    that being said, no rational person would do business with a company that encourages such decisions and behavior. There is nothing to gain from their point of view, by TRIBBLE two factions by doing this now, all they'll do is end up pissing a large portion of the players off and wrecking their already poor ability to provide content.
    Cryptic / PWE isn't stupid

    thats debatable, and thats not a stab. look at some of the things they've done. and if they are indeed adding a romulan faction, then I am forced to question both their understanding of how to run a business and how to run a game. its not something a smart person would do at this point
    S7 brought in a wave of new and returning players

    and saw them leave just as quickly. just like every season
    and its surely no coincidence that S8 launch coincides with the release of Star Trek Into Darkness

    actually it probably is considering its still on par with the timetable for the release of other seasons
    and a lot of them will want to play the Klingons. And they will want to play the Klingons immediately.

    they have known this since day one and didn't do anything about finishing the faction
    A new tutorial is a much bigger investment than porting missions from Fed-side where all the artwork and assets are already there and you just need to tweek some dialogue

    a new tutorial is a waste of time for the KDF unless there are significant additions. why make a tutorial for a tiny faction with less than 10 missions?
    It makes no sense to go to the trouble of making a new tutorial if they aren't going to deliver more.

    correct. but remember this is cryptic we are talking about. it wouldn't be the first time they did something that didn't make sense. adding a romulan faction doesn't make sense either
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    As if the present tutorial wasn't bad enough, now it's going to get worse. We've already had to suffer through the extended tutorial that is levels 1 through 25 on the Fed side. We don't need more tutorials! Remember when we could just completely IGNORE the pointless tutorial and get on with the Fed-killing? Remember when they made it REQUIRED suddenly? Now every new Klingon toon created has to go through another 30 minutes of pointless aggravation. You want MORE of this? Are you out of your minds?
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    As if the present tutorial wasn't bad enough, now it's going to get worse. We've already had to suffer through the extended tutorial that is levels 1 through 25 on the Fed side. We don't need more tutorials! Remember when we could just completely IGNORE the pointless tutorial and get on with the Fed-killing? Remember when they made it REQUIRED suddenly? Now every new Klingon toon created has to go through another 30 minutes of pointless aggravation. You want MORE of this? Are you out of your minds?

    There's so much truth in this. Which is why I'm so glad I finally got off my TRIBBLE and started getting all my dil mules into leveling speed.

    I'm not rolling any more KDF, and once they 'complete' the faction they'd nerf the lovely Marauding doff missions to oblivion and I'll stop playing KDF ever.


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  • captainbmoneycaptainbmoney Member Posts: 1,323 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Federation: 50+ Unique Missions.
    Klingon Defense Force: 9 Unique missions.

    We aren't half a faction. We are 1/4th of a faction. Until these Unique Mission Numbers can be MATCHED. ships, uniforms and other junk can be released Weekly. we are just another wannabe faction with inalienable rights. That's funny. Inalienable rights. Nobody discusses Inhuman rights. /STVI.

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  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Unique Fed Missions worth playing: 1-2. Project Nightingale gives decent cannons, that Phased Tetryon Mission might be useful.
    Unique KDF Missions worth playing: 2. The first mission gives a nice purple Fire Team X kit, one of the best tac kits available. But only once. The Feklhri mission gives some passable consoles. We used to have a third, but they killed it.

    Conclusion: KDF missions > Fed missions: They generate a whole lot less SPAM in your available/in progress lists of **** you'll never do because they're a waste of time.

    I would sooner have ships that I can use for real end-game content than crappy missions with crappy loot that I neither need nor want. Fed is full of that fluff. It clogs my displays with garbage I will never do unless I am really, really bored beyond belief.
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    sander233 wrote: »
    It makes no sense to go to the trouble of making a new tutorial if they aren't going to deliver more.

    Any time you assume a company (any company not just Cryptic) will act logically you are making an unsound assumption.

    Logic is not a corporate value. Logic supposes not just a perception of the long-term effects, but also an understanding of them and a value system that weights them higher than short-term profits.

    Never gonna happen. If it does, then check the thermostat in hell.
  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    let's wait till May...but do we really need a tutorial?
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  • oneandonlyrecceoneandonlyrecce Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    From the interview posted today with Mr Stahl it looks like the KDF will get a new tutorial in May, plus a couple Fed missions re-worked for the KDF.

    Is this what is expected?
    If you're refering to the Digibytes interview, I think you have read too much into what he's said.

    "DSTAHL: It is still on our to-do list, but there is no estimate to when these missions will be converted. For now, the only KDF content we?re discussing is the upcoming revamp of the Klingon tutorial."


    The "re-worked missions" are on the ToDo and NOT on the release schedule, so no delivery date. Probably not even a scoping document detailing which missions are to be re-worked.

    And they are discussing the tutorial revamp / rework. No mention of a May delivery here. And most importantly, he says that this is the limit of the KDF content at the moment. Assuming that he means "story content" rather than any content (ship, costumes, etc), I take that to mean zero KDF only story content in the May release. It will be "dual faction" missions like "Temporal Ambassador" or expanded "adventure zones".
  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm sure a tutorial would be worthless as a tutorial is there to educate you in gameplay. Not really needed for all those at level 50!
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    ironmako wrote: »
    I'm sure a tutorial would be worthless as a tutorial is there to educate you in gameplay. Not really needed for all those at level 50!

    We need faction neutral fe's
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
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