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Kumari seen from the other side of 5 DHC

dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
edited March 2013 in PvP Gameplay
I started the thread so we could give feedback about kumari from the position of target of 5 DHC.I shall continue the thread.

A.First day:
Kumari is launched with shield and heal bug.
1.)Even so first meeting with a kumari is instant death to my mirror raptor.From more than 5 km.After I chek combat log i realise I was hit by new canon wing thing .Nice.
After that I manage to return the favor and destroy the kumari by sitting in his tail
(my raptor has 15 turn rate kumari has 16 btw)

2.)kumari backed by a recluse healer.
Can't do anything against the team.I need a better ship for this kind of meetings
and a premade with 2 kumari it is a very dangerous premade indeed even with broken kumari


B.Second day.Today.Kumari is fixed by patch
Panda's seems to like the ship.I got destroyed several times by some panda's flying kumari tactical escort.Definitively I need a better ship for that kind of fight .

First Conclusions:

From these 2 days it seems that using the damage spike it can generate, the kumari is very good against slower or comparable moving ships that can't get out from his arc
(my raptor has 15 kumari has 16 )

On the other side even if you have a slightly faster moving ship that AOE thing is dangerous in a range of some km.Got me killed once even if I was at ~3 km from it initial target and cloaked.

The 5 tac 5 dhc make it very fast to kill another ship.It is the next logical step because the new ships and shields are very hard to counter.My raptor needs 2-3 passes ,kumari needs just one to destroy a normal ship.

There are some cruisers I can't destroy nor bring their shields down with my raptor
(they are running elite shields +EPS3)

It seems that my raptor is obsolete. Have to find another ship.

First Observations :

I dislike the fact that the best "raptor" in game is the fleet defiant but for kumari I honestly envy federation players for the possibility to have this ship.

It has all that my actual raptor lacks:tac seating's,tac consoles
(I have to sacrifice SCI seating to counter plasma dot and TAC seating's to counter advanced danubes so a couple of tac seatings from kumari would have helped my kdf raptor to be a better ship.)
Kumari in fact is the ultimate raptor and it should had been available to kdf too

I shall continue as I meet more kumari.
If somebody wants to share kumari meetings I invite to add to this
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  • this1isavailablethis1isavailable Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Buy a fleet somraw, it's basically a cloakable fleet patrol escort.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited February 2013
    My fleetmates last night were telling me how they were popping Kumari's in one or two volleys last night in Ker'rat.

    They were rarely killed. I believe they were flying Raptors and BoPs.

    I suppose they will be a bit harder to kill now.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Check your raptors shield numbers, mines down near 20% from 2 days ago. I'm guessing my guns are gimped as well but have no logger data to confirm this. It totally explains why I got owned by an AI frigate last night when previously I laugh at battleships.
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  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I know it's not the focus of the thread as I have not been on the business end of five DHCs myself. But it's a really, really painful experience. Took mine into an arena match last night with a premade. I had healing support which was desperately needed considering I had 4k shields (lawl). My team would call out the focus target, but since I'm still a newb at space, I'd usually get lost in the sea of spam and hit someone else.

    I do feel a little bad. Took two guys out from full shields/hull in as little as a second with a soft-alpha (Alpha, Omega, Tac Team, Rapid Fire III, that's it) while my team was going to town on the focus targets. This ship is broken. All I needed was for Tac Team to be down and to be facing my opponent.

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  • shar487ashar487a Member Posts: 1,292 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    shookyang wrote: »
    My fleetmates last night were telling me how they were popping Kumari's in one or two volleys last night in Ker'rat.

    They were rarely killed. I believe they were flying Raptors and BoPs.

    I suppose they will be a bit harder to kill now.


    Yeah, the 33% healing bug on the Kumari's is now gone. I tested it out in a few team games last night, and even popped a few fully buffed tank-spec'd cruisers in seconds solo.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    5 DHCs, 4 DHCs, 3 DHCs, 2 DHCs, 1 DHC, a bag of cotton balls... it's all the same after the Sci are done with you.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Check your raptors shield numbers, mines down near 20% from 2 days ago. I'm guessing my guns are gimped as well but have no logger data to confirm this. It totally explains why I got owned by an AI frigate last night when previously I laugh at battleships.

    Are you saying a ninja nerf has occured?
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Are you saying a ninja nerf has occured?

    I'm saying nothing, and will post a pic of my shields when I get home. Could simply be a byproduct of what they accidentially did to the Kumari heals and timers.
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  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    5 DHCs, 4 DHCs, 3 DHCs, 2 DHCs, 1 DHC, a bag of cotton balls... it's all the same after the Sci are done with you.

    Lol I've dies more by the hands of dhc than a sci
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  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited February 2013
    Lol I've dies more by the hands of dhc than a sci
    I've died may times at the hands of a Sci with DHCs.

    Subnuke is no joke.

    As a Tactical officer in an Fleet Defiant, I go after the sci ships and the sci captains first when I decloak. Otherwise, I'll get screwed later.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think its about time to give accuracy penalty to DHC :P after all they have crit severity bonus out of nothing.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    I'm saying nothing, and will post a pic of my shields when I get home. Could simply be a byproduct of what they accidentially did to the Kumari heals and timers.

    I understand. Please let us know. I would hate to think that the bugfix for the kumari screwed thr rest of us.
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  • kamipoikamipoi Member Posts: 365 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I can confirm its now not so much a "Glass Cannon" from now on refer to it as "Lead Dispenser" moving on!
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Lol I've dies more by the hands of dhc than a sci

    oh i am much more afraid of sci then any fellow DHC user. as long as the sci isn't alone. about 90% of my deaths were at least partially sci related

    but 5 DHCs, or 4+ the very powerful wing gun, im even more scared of then sci. i dout you would need sci with spike like that. now that the ships have defense now
  • aspartan1aspartan1 Member Posts: 1,054 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    As an escort pilot that has done over 10 hours of solid testing with this ship, I can tell you it is a glass cannon. The way it is set up with the CDs it is not worth the cost. I can own a KDF tac pilot fairly easily - In over 50 fights with a nearly topped out KDF person I won 9/10 engagements. When he switched to an Eng ship as a tac officer he owned me.

    With that stated I have not tested it since the patch against a solid KDF person but I left the engagement the other day feeling cheap and exploited.
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  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited February 2013
    I know people like to harp on people who use RSP, but it like it's a pretty important ability to have now.

    Even prior to the Andorian ships, with how high Critical Hit has gotten and the increase in tractor spams, I have been and continue to be a big proponent of RSP.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    aspartan1 wrote: »
    As an escort pilot that has done over 10 hours of solid testing with this ship, I can tell you it is a glass cannon. The way it is set up with the CDs it is not worth the cost. I can own a KDF tac pilot fairly easily - In over 50 fights with a nearly topped out KDF person I won 9/10 engagements. When he switched to an Eng ship as a tac officer he owned me.

    With that stated I have not tested it since the patch against a solid KDF person but I left the engagement the other day feeling cheap and exploited.

    the eng version has the same setup a patrol, and bug ship has. and the sci version just has more sci consoles then eng. unless your using the tac version, its no more a glass cannon then any of the other normal escorts, and this thing should be able to spike 25% harder then them
  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Some people have weird ideas about what a glass cannon is. As long as you pick the right Andorian ship, it's tankier than a patrol escort.

    No, a glass cannon would be what this escort was before it was fixed. To be honest ALL escorts should be like the bugged Andorian escort.
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm afraid these ships are way off the mark of what is reasonable. I will not suffer them again.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I understand. Please let us know. I would hate to think that the bugfix for the kumari screwed thr rest of us.
    stripped/re-equipped ship seems to have snapped it out of it's funk. whew.
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  • dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited February 2013
    Buy a fleet somraw, it's basically a cloakable fleet patrol escort.

    Have you tried the fleet somraw against kumari after patch and kumari being piloted by a good federation pilot?What were your results?

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  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Dunno what you're all whining about, for a change I went dark side all last night in Kerrat flying my B'rel. It has no healing, it has no STF gear, it hasn't been touched for a year in fact, no rep stuff, just set up for massive Alphas and run like a Klink LOL.

    Seriously I chalked up 8 Andorian ships during the evening with no help from anyone else and not one death. They didn't pop every time, about 60% of the time I would guess but with the new tric torp cd I was able to quickly come around for another pass and usually the rear mounted Breen Clust F**K Torp (how I love that weapon) would finish them off.

    I saw what they could do though to guys unfortunate enough to get in front of them lol. Suggest you all fit a tractor and wait till you see his APO finish before you run up behind and hit (hoping no polarize hull plating is available lol), make sure you have RSP, evasive and EmptE available if you TRIBBLE up.

    Please don't start calling for a nerf for these, it adds a lot more fun to try and kill something so scary, but for the record it's still tougher to kill bugs than these in my B'rel - at the moment.

    Ker'rat is no benchmark for ship performance. Because you can kill there the wanna be pvpers even in Galaxy.
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  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Dunno what you're all whining about, for a change I went dark side all last night in Kerrat flying my B'rel. It has no healing, it has no STF gear, it hasn't been touched for a year in fact, no rep stuff, just set up for massive Alphas and run like a Klink LOL.

    Seriously I chalked up 8 Andorian ships during the evening with no help from anyone else and not one death. They didn't pop every time, about 60% of the time I would guess but with the new tric torp cd I was able to quickly come around for another pass and usually the rear mounted Breen Clust F**K Torp (how I love that weapon) would finish them off.

    I saw what they could do though to guys unfortunate enough to get in front of them lol. Suggest you all fit a tractor and wait till you see his APO finish before you run up behind and hit (hoping no polarize hull plating is available lol), make sure you have RSP, evasive and EmptE available if you TRIBBLE up.

    Please don't start calling for a nerf for these, it adds a lot more fun to try and kill something so scary, but for the record it's still tougher to kill bugs than these in my B'rel - at the moment.

    I would like to hear from you when you start running into premades with these things. It's not fun. Its not even a challenge for 3x Andorian 2x Vesta.
  • dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited February 2013
    @mattjohnsonva
    I dont want kumari nerfed.It is the ultimate raptor in game.It does a lot of kills in PVP.It is a pleasure to see how fast can kill .How could I ask such a think being myself a kdf raptor captain ?

    All I want is fair game.Now I think it is not.I want KDF to have at least one similar ship as kumari.
    (By similar I mean similar not like when kdf got bortas'q while federation got fleet defiant.)
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  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I would like to hear from you when you start running into premades with these things. It's not fun. Its not even a challenge for 3x Andorian 2x Vesta.

    Yeah, the Kumari (Tac) without support is terrible, but on a team it is lethal.
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  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I've noticed that the Science variant is terrible without backup too. Repeatedly blew one up last night with my stock bird of prey/science orion. Didn't even need to subnuke half of the time. When he finally got backup though... game over.

    I imagine the Engineer variant to be somewhat the same.
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  • inktomi19inktomi19 Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I have to say that I've seen some of the worst players I've ever seen in Kumaris over the past few days. I've run into several running beam arrays. Not DBBs, but arrays. My healing cruiser running a couple of copies of FAW has managed to burn down every variant a couple of times so far (I'm guessing the variants by the buffs I see running).

    It might be a very powerful ship or not, but most of the players I've seen in them are just all around bad. (Then again I ran into a bug that ate broadsides from my healboat till it died today too -- I shouldn't be able to get through shields on any ship chaining EPtS).
  • beefsupreme79beefsupreme79 Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Why do they keep pumping out fed only ships? Thats all I wanna know, even if they gave kdf a TRIBBLE ship everytime they release a super fed ship, the bias wouldnt be as blatant as no kdf ship at all....lol its really pretty sickening.....anyway cryptic no more money from me till u start getting a little more realistic, until than, eat it.
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