I for one am tired of getting copy/paste versions of federation ships.
Instead, this is what I would've wished the devs would have made and release alongside the kumari: A unique featured KDF ship.
Ship class: Hybrid (KDF equivalent to multi-mission cruisers...we get hybrid raptors!)
Mogh Class Advanced Raptor.
The Mogh Class advanced raptor is a hybrid in all forms. It combines the aggressiveness in firepower of a raptor with the speed and ambush of a bird of prey. As a further hybridization, this ship also contains elements of science ships and cruisers in its design.
Features: Battle Cloak,Universal Boff Stations (Cmdr & 3 Lt Cmdr slots), Bird Of Prey shields & speed, Raptor Hull & turn rate, native subsystem targeting (sci element), native boarding party 1 (unique cruiser element) +5 to all power levels (cruiser element), 500 crew (sci/cruiser element). Can equip cannons.
Unique Feature: Lance weapon that charges up only when ship cloaked and that can only be fired 5s after decloak. Lance weapon beam is antiproton damage type. Charge time: 45 seconds.
Activating the console creates a 5km bubble around the ship that for 15 seconds warps inertia stats on ship within the bubble: their is inertia increased tremendously so no ship can change vector and their turn rate is reduced to thruster-level. Ship emitting the bubble only receives penalty to vector change but it can still turn the nose around at its normal rate. In essence, everyone inside the bubble cannot change vector and only the bubble-emitting ship can turn the nose around while inside the effect.
This ship would be unique to KDF in the sense that it would be only ship in the game to have elements from all ship types yet not receive an overpowering advantage.
From Birds of Prey: Universal Stations, shields, speed.
From Raptors: Hull, turn rate.
From Science ship: weapon slots, native subsystem targeting & crew size.
From cruisers: +power bonus, native boarding party (c'mon this is quite klingon!).
The unique console and unique ability of inertia disruption and lance work hand in hand with each other. The inertia disruption allows this ship to perform attacks on ships with its lance weaponry and abilities while they are unable to change facing or vector.
Could it not have sensor analysis instead of subsystem targeting?
It'd make stalking your prey more useful, and I doubt many would put beams on a raptor hull.
No, that would be overpowering given the lance weapon and the fact you can target something while cloaked. subsystem is there to provide a very flexible pool of abilities you dont need to dedicate boff slots for.
I don't mean offence to any in the thread, it just astounds me the level at which Cryptic neglect a segment of their own customers.
It astounds *me* that you guys don't think Cryptic looks at how many people play KDF regularly, versus how many play fed.
It astounds me that you think it's actually worth the investment in making new KDF C store content that maybe a hundred players, max, will buy in the absolute best case scenario, compared to the thousands of fed players.
Do they make less KDF content? Absolutely. Is it 'astounding'? Not in the slightest. It's just the demographics. If we had anywhere near faction user number parity, you'd be seeing far and above more KDF content being released. But with most KDF fleets being 25 players, and the entire KDF faction numbering significantly less than the FED faction, and of those significantly less players, an even fewer number actually commit to C-store purchases for the KDF... how exactly are they going to make money here?
Everyone goes "If they released stuff in the C store, I'd buy it", but all I ever see are "I'm not buying anything from the C-store until they release more content" threads, so in essence you're saying "Don't produce more content, because I'm not going to buy it. I'll only buy it if you produce it and release it for free and I decide I like it, at which point it's free so why should I have to buy it anyways?"
I'm glad they did the latest ship the Kamarag. Other than adding the Breen ship to my KDF. So in a way I'm giving some ships to my KDF that isn't offered in C store. With my Fed being all Fed type ships. The Andorian will give him a different ship. I'm kinda trying to keep a trend going. Andorian is more Fed, while the Breen is more KDF. With the Jem'Hadar released I can see that for my KDF. To go with my theme I'm creating with my Captains.
I been playing for nearly a year now, and saw they don't give KDF ships or good content. So in turn I gotten used to it. I still play KDF each week so its not sitting on the shelf due to my Fed I also play. So I try to balance them out. And try to balance out the ships as well.
I'm still waiting to see the K'Vort come to the game. To see how that one will play out. Since its a big BOP and considered a Battlecruiser. So it will be interesting to see how STO will do with it.
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It astounds *me* that you guys don't think Cryptic looks at how many people play KDF regularly, versus how many play fed.
It astounds me that you think it's actually worth the investment in making new KDF C store content that maybe a hundred players, max, will buy in the absolute best case scenario, compared to the thousands of fed players.
Do they make less KDF content? Absolutely. Is it 'astounding'? Not in the slightest. It's just the demographics. If we had anywhere near faction user number parity, you'd be seeing far and above more KDF content being released. But with most KDF fleets being 25 players, and the entire KDF faction numbering significantly less than the FED faction, and of those significantly less players, an even fewer number actually commit to C-store purchases for the KDF... how exactly are they going to make money here?
Everyone goes "If they released stuff in the C store, I'd buy it", but all I ever see are "I'm not buying anything from the C-store until they release more content" threads, so in essence you're saying "Don't produce more content, because I'm not going to buy it. I'll only buy it if you produce it and release it for free and I decide I like it, at which point it's free so why should I have to buy it anyways?"
And it astounds me that someone could be so naive to think that the number of KDF players there are, is directly affected by the state of the relationship between Cryptic and the KDF.
And please ... try and not make sweeping generalizations, or put words in my mouth.
NEVER, has Cryptic once come out and shown the player based figures, based on faction. Even the info-graphic conveniently left out one of the most important figures in the game.
And as someone that has only played KDF for three years - its NOT as small as we have been led to believe.
Until there is verifiable proof, it holds as much argument as trying to convince Homer the world is round.
Because players can play either faction the only real info they can check is number of player characters at the level cap. KDF makes up a bit more then 18% now.. of course thats is some where between 300 to 500 THOUSAND players that primarily play KDF..
Because players can play either faction the only real info they can check is number of player characters at the level cap. KDF makes up a bit more then 18% now.. of course thats is some where between 300 to 500 THOUSAND players that primarily play KDF..
And even if only 10,000 of those had subs (LOL), that equals $ 140,000 a month in revenue (just for the subs), from a faction that does not warrant development resources because of demographics LMAO.
Even with such a conservative estimate, one only needs to imagine the real revenue of funds these accounts have been pumping into the game. Funds which have being used to fund Fed development. There sure has been an emphasis of great Fed development, soon after the announcement the KDF was off the priority list?
Coincidence? I think not. Should I just sit and swallow it - yeah. What else can I do, right?
IMO its little different to the logic of the "small fleet vs. big fleet" argument. "If you are a big fleet, you will enjoy the reputation system, because it was designed for large fleets. Our statistics rationalized the fact that small fleets just didn't fit into the reputation system. Sadly if you are a small fleet, yes well.. we really feel your pain ... but there's really nothing we can do about it because that's how we build it. So perhaps our message to smaller fleets should really be, 'you don't stand a hope in hell. Just join larger fleets where the investment is... Your investment is not worth it...'"
See where this logic leads? And given this paradigm, how does it apply to the Fed vs. KDF demographics argument.
You saw what the devs are giving the feds. Imagine if the KDF got a ship like that and not the federation. They would receive a copy/paste version in a day after the complaints.
i would pay for a new kdf ship but there dont seem to wont to i have said meny times on forms that there wont get any more money from me untill there bring out some more kdf ships. i think it was in this month ask cryptic that some one said there was a new BOP on the test server befor game went F2P but it not been relesed im more then willing to buy a bundle pack for my kdf toons.
It astounds *me* that you guys don't think Cryptic looks at how many people play KDF regularly, versus how many play fed.
It astounds me that you think it's actually worth the investment in making new KDF C store content that maybe a hundred players, max, will buy in the absolute best case scenario, compared to the thousands of fed players.
Do they make less KDF content? Absolutely. Is it 'astounding'? Not in the slightest. It's just the demographics. If we had anywhere near faction user number parity, you'd be seeing far and above more KDF content being released. But with most KDF fleets being 25 players, and the entire KDF faction numbering significantly less than the FED faction, and of those significantly less players, an even fewer number actually commit to C-store purchases for the KDF... how exactly are they going to make money here?
Everyone goes "If they released stuff in the C store, I'd buy it", but all I ever see are "I'm not buying anything from the C-store until they release more content" threads, so in essence you're saying "Don't produce more content, because I'm not going to buy it. I'll only buy it if you produce it and release it for free and I decide I like it, at which point it's free so why should I have to buy it anyways?"
...and it doesn't hurt that you HAVE TO play Fed-side first, by default :P
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Good comeback bro. Whats wrong? Cant handle the truth?
You want answers? You want the truth?
You cant handle the truth!
:rolleyes: Deal with it. :cool:
hmm a gobby fed wot a shock i bet your one the people that trys to tell people that there doing Elite stf wrong when there done 1000 missions and and you done none. or do me and all kdf afever do pvp and get your TRIBBLE KICKED.
hmm a gobby fed wot a shock i bet your one the people that trys to tell people that there doing Elite stf wrong when there done 1000 missions and and you done none. or do me and all kdf afever do pvp and get your TRIBBLE KICKED.
I for one am tired of getting copy/paste versions of federation ships.
Instead, this is what I would've wished the devs would have made and release alongside the kumari: A unique featured KDF ship.
Why are you thinking Cryptic could do that?
Let me tell you this.
On the hand. Day after day, patch after patch. Cryptic is bringing everything from KDF side to Fed. And now they are making new unique ship which can beat any KDF ship.
On the other hand They don't do anything for KDF. They don't fix bug.
Cryptic wants to close down KDF side. Only npc. They are making a new faction,
Romulan because most of federation liike romulan. Don't you see the way the story is? Romulan have not ugly face.
Romulan is not violent race.
Romulans have not sex appeal like Orion.
Romulan is this poor race who lost his planet.
Make Romulan as good race against Borg and klingon is better. And it's good for business because most of player want romulan faction.
And Cryptic producer don't know anything about Statrek univers. If federation players want sailor moon in STO. Cryptic will do because they could make money. Cryptic producers are able to do any insanity and any blasphem if they can earn money. No matter it's not canon.
And unfortunately. Cryptic devs are crappy without any talent.
I'm a KDF player. I'm active KDF player. I play STO until they Kill KDF faction. When it will be done. I will do what I have to do. Guess what?
Could it not have sensor analysis instead of subsystem targeting?
It'd make stalking your prey more useful, and I doubt many would put beams on a raptor hull.
Ditto on this.
Sub-system targeting means the player will be forced to use beam arrays to get this ability...sensor analysis is a better option, given that it has utility with all weapons. In a majority of cases, players are going to want to use cannons...
It astounds *me* that you guys don't think Cryptic looks at how many people play KDF regularly, versus how many play fed.
It astounds me that you think it's actually worth the investment in making new KDF C store content that maybe a hundred players, max, will buy in the absolute best case scenario, compared to the thousands of fed players.
Do they make less KDF content? Absolutely. Is it 'astounding'? Not in the slightest. It's just the demographics. If we had anywhere near faction user number parity, you'd be seeing far and above more KDF content being released. But with most KDF fleets being 25 players, and the entire KDF faction numbering significantly less than the FED faction, and of those significantly less players, an even fewer number actually commit to C-store purchases for the KDF... how exactly are they going to make money here?
Everyone goes "If they released stuff in the C store, I'd buy it", but all I ever see are "I'm not buying anything from the C-store until they release more content" threads, so in essence you're saying "Don't produce more content, because I'm not going to buy it. I'll only buy it if you produce it and release it for free and I decide I like it, at which point it's free so why should I have to buy it anyways?"
I've been playing since Day 1. I have 2 Fed Vice-Admirals and 3 KDG Lt. Generals. I spend most of my time on the KDF side because the blue side is, hmm I don't know, boring maybe? I don't know why but after a few hours on the blue side I'm just bored and then go back to the red side for several months before I try the blue side again.
However, I don't believe the 15%-18% myth. There are way more people on Qo'noS that on ESD at any time of day. There are way more ships outside Qo'nos than SOL (in about the same number of instances). I've PUGged several STF's with only KDF characters. The last time I did the Borg Deferi thingy I saw only 2 Feds compared to 2 dozen KDF's. I must just be the lucky one who is only online at the same as all the other KDF players. This argument alone no longer flies.
And it astounds me that someone could be so naive to think that the number of KDF players there are, is directly affected by the state of the relationship between Cryptic and the KDF.
And please ... try and not make sweeping generalizations, or put words in my mouth.
NEVER, has Cryptic once come out and shown the player based figures, based on faction. Even the info-graphic conveniently left out one of the most important figures in the game.
And as someone that has only played KDF for three years - its NOT as small as we have been led to believe.
Until there is verifiable proof, it holds as much argument as trying to convince Homer the world is round.
It's 12% because DStahl SAYS it's 12%. Well until he says it's 16%. But hey, it's DStahl. He's always been a straight shooter with the players. Especially the Klingon players. Right?
It's 12% because DStahl SAYS it's 12%. Well until he says it's 16%. But hey, it's DStahl. He's always been a straight shooter with the players. Especially the Klingon players. Right?
Actually the numbers from their data are skewed.
The only way KDF player would pop up as '1' player is if he has 2 kdf toons for his 1 fed toon. Only then does the % contribution of that player.
But..since you have to start as a fed and practically every kdf player has at least 1 fed character then you get wrong numbers.
If its 12% then the real numbers would be twice that due to every kdf having 1 fed toon minimum.
So we sit at 24%~
and im willing to bet a significant portion of people play both sides (like I do) so overall the real number should be in the high 60%'s.
...but since the devs just continue to cater to feds and give them toys then obviously people are going to end up playing and paying for fed toys more than kdf.
basically what we are seeing is a failure of game design and marketing. They've created a self-feeding cycle by narrowing the market to one faction.
There are way more people on Qo'noS that on ESD at any time of day. There are way more ships outside Qo'nos than SOL (in about the same number of instances).
Regardless of how much I'd like this to be true, unfortunately it's so untrue that my eyes started to hurt while reading it. :eek:
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It'd make stalking your prey more useful, and I doubt many would put beams on a raptor hull.
No, that would be overpowering given the lance weapon and the fact you can target something while cloaked. subsystem is there to provide a very flexible pool of abilities you dont need to dedicate boff slots for.
I don't mean offence to any in the thread, it just astounds me the level at which Cryptic neglect a segment of their own customers.
It astounds *me* that you guys don't think Cryptic looks at how many people play KDF regularly, versus how many play fed.
It astounds me that you think it's actually worth the investment in making new KDF C store content that maybe a hundred players, max, will buy in the absolute best case scenario, compared to the thousands of fed players.
Do they make less KDF content? Absolutely. Is it 'astounding'? Not in the slightest. It's just the demographics. If we had anywhere near faction user number parity, you'd be seeing far and above more KDF content being released. But with most KDF fleets being 25 players, and the entire KDF faction numbering significantly less than the FED faction, and of those significantly less players, an even fewer number actually commit to C-store purchases for the KDF... how exactly are they going to make money here?
Everyone goes "If they released stuff in the C store, I'd buy it", but all I ever see are "I'm not buying anything from the C-store until they release more content" threads, so in essence you're saying "Don't produce more content, because I'm not going to buy it. I'll only buy it if you produce it and release it for free and I decide I like it, at which point it's free so why should I have to buy it anyways?"
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I been playing for nearly a year now, and saw they don't give KDF ships or good content. So in turn I gotten used to it. I still play KDF each week so its not sitting on the shelf due to my Fed I also play. So I try to balance them out. And try to balance out the ships as well.
I'm still waiting to see the K'Vort come to the game. To see how that one will play out. Since its a big BOP and considered a Battlecruiser. So it will be interesting to see how STO will do with it.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
And it astounds me that someone could be so naive to think that the number of KDF players there are, is directly affected by the state of the relationship between Cryptic and the KDF.
And please ... try and not make sweeping generalizations, or put words in my mouth.
NEVER, has Cryptic once come out and shown the player based figures, based on faction. Even the info-graphic conveniently left out one of the most important figures in the game.
And as someone that has only played KDF for three years - its NOT as small as we have been led to believe.
Until there is verifiable proof, it holds as much argument as trying to convince Homer the world is round.
Because players can play either faction the only real info they can check is number of player characters at the level cap. KDF makes up a bit more then 18% now.. of course thats is some where between 300 to 500 THOUSAND players that primarily play KDF..
And even if only 10,000 of those had subs (LOL), that equals $ 140,000 a month in revenue (just for the subs), from a faction that does not warrant development resources because of demographics LMAO.
Even with such a conservative estimate, one only needs to imagine the real revenue of funds these accounts have been pumping into the game. Funds which have being used to fund Fed development. There sure has been an emphasis of great Fed development, soon after the announcement the KDF was off the priority list?
Coincidence? I think not. Should I just sit and swallow it - yeah. What else can I do, right?
IMO its little different to the logic of the "small fleet vs. big fleet" argument. "If you are a big fleet, you will enjoy the reputation system, because it was designed for large fleets. Our statistics rationalized the fact that small fleets just didn't fit into the reputation system. Sadly if you are a small fleet, yes well.. we really feel your pain ... but there's really nothing we can do about it because that's how we build it. So perhaps our message to smaller fleets should really be, 'you don't stand a hope in hell. Just join larger fleets where the investment is... Your investment is not worth it...'"
See where this logic leads? And given this paradigm, how does it apply to the Fed vs. KDF demographics argument.
KDF however, receives only empty promises.
Fed dont have BoPs, they have escorts, Fed dont have raptors, they have escorts. You got enough fakin ships to play around with, stop whining.
-Signed,
50 KDF Eng
50 KDF Tac
50 Fed Tac
50 Fed Sci
-Derp.
who let the kids stay home from school?
Grow up.
Good comeback bro. Whats wrong? Cant handle the truth?
You want answers? You want the truth?
You cant handle the truth!
:rolleyes: Deal with it. :cool:
My point clearly still stands.
grow up.
Nice to see you can actually spell whole words.
...and it doesn't hurt that you HAVE TO play Fed-side first, by default :P
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
R.I.P
hmm a gobby fed wot a shock i bet your one the people that trys to tell people that there doing Elite stf wrong when there done 1000 missions and and you done none. or do me and all kdf afever do pvp and get your TRIBBLE KICKED.
R.I.P
This post amuses me.
I have 2 fed 2 kdf, problam officer? :cool:
Why are you thinking Cryptic could do that?
Let me tell you this.
On the hand. Day after day, patch after patch. Cryptic is bringing everything from KDF side to Fed. And now they are making new unique ship which can beat any KDF ship.
On the other hand They don't do anything for KDF. They don't fix bug.
Cryptic wants to close down KDF side. Only npc. They are making a new faction,
Romulan because most of federation liike romulan. Don't you see the way the story is? Romulan have not ugly face.
Romulan is not violent race.
Romulans have not sex appeal like Orion.
Romulan is this poor race who lost his planet.
Make Romulan as good race against Borg and klingon is better. And it's good for business because most of player want romulan faction.
And Cryptic producer don't know anything about Statrek univers. If federation players want sailor moon in STO. Cryptic will do because they could make money. Cryptic producers are able to do any insanity and any blasphem if they can earn money. No matter it's not canon.
And unfortunately. Cryptic devs are crappy without any talent.
I'm a KDF player. I'm active KDF player. I play STO until they Kill KDF faction. When it will be done. I will do what I have to do. Guess what?
Ditto on this.
Sub-system targeting means the player will be forced to use beam arrays to get this ability...sensor analysis is a better option, given that it has utility with all weapons. In a majority of cases, players are going to want to use cannons...
This would make an excellent combat-oriented sci ship.
And...on second consideration..I would seriously consider putting beams on it as well.
I've been playing since Day 1. I have 2 Fed Vice-Admirals and 3 KDG Lt. Generals. I spend most of my time on the KDF side because the blue side is, hmm I don't know, boring maybe? I don't know why but after a few hours on the blue side I'm just bored and then go back to the red side for several months before I try the blue side again.
However, I don't believe the 15%-18% myth. There are way more people on Qo'noS that on ESD at any time of day. There are way more ships outside Qo'nos than SOL (in about the same number of instances). I've PUGged several STF's with only KDF characters. The last time I did the Borg Deferi thingy I saw only 2 Feds compared to 2 dozen KDF's. I must just be the lucky one who is only online at the same as all the other KDF players. This argument alone no longer flies.
It's 12% because DStahl SAYS it's 12%. Well until he says it's 16%. But hey, it's DStahl. He's always been a straight shooter with the players. Especially the Klingon players. Right?
Actually the numbers from their data are skewed.
The only way KDF player would pop up as '1' player is if he has 2 kdf toons for his 1 fed toon. Only then does the % contribution of that player.
But..since you have to start as a fed and practically every kdf player has at least 1 fed character then you get wrong numbers.
If its 12% then the real numbers would be twice that due to every kdf having 1 fed toon minimum.
So we sit at 24%~
and im willing to bet a significant portion of people play both sides (like I do) so overall the real number should be in the high 60%'s.
...but since the devs just continue to cater to feds and give them toys then obviously people are going to end up playing and paying for fed toys more than kdf.
basically what we are seeing is a failure of game design and marketing. They've created a self-feeding cycle by narrowing the market to one faction.
Regardless of how much I'd like this to be true, unfortunately it's so untrue that my eyes started to hurt while reading it. :eek:
R.I.P