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I'd like more focus on the other races of the Klingon Empire
lordgyor
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I do understand the Klingon focus for the KDF, but I do wish we'd get more exposer to the None Klingon cultures/Species of the Empire.
It would be nice to have a FE exploring the other species the Orions, Gorn, Ferasans, Letheans, Nausicaans, Trill and how they fit within the Empire.
Right now the Doff assignment chain is almost the only info we have on the Ferasans for example. How and why are they joining the Empire.
Have the Letheans proven thier worthy of joining the Empire as full citizens yet?
Is the Orion Sydicate manipulating the high council? And how does the Orion Sydicate function in practical terms. I mean its a criminal originization that some how became the governing institution of an entire species. How does it provide social services, build new cities of Ter'jas Mor, and the like, yet act like the secret criminal oraganization. The Syndicate seems more like Privateers then Pirates. I mean when you make the laws its hard to be criminals, unless you break your own rules.
I also wish to learn more about the Gorn Castes, which seem as much biology based as social.
What's the back story for the Trill Colony?
I want to know why the Ferasans have joined the Empire and a deeper look into thier joint history with the Caitians.
It'd be nice to explore the history, mythologies, customes, atanomy, and heroes of these species.
I do remember hearing something about the Gorn Homeworld and a visit by the Voth.
It would be nice to have a FE exploring the other species the Orions, Gorn, Ferasans, Letheans, Nausicaans, Trill and how they fit within the Empire.
Right now the Doff assignment chain is almost the only info we have on the Ferasans for example. How and why are they joining the Empire.
Have the Letheans proven thier worthy of joining the Empire as full citizens yet?
Is the Orion Sydicate manipulating the high council? And how does the Orion Sydicate function in practical terms. I mean its a criminal originization that some how became the governing institution of an entire species. How does it provide social services, build new cities of Ter'jas Mor, and the like, yet act like the secret criminal oraganization. The Syndicate seems more like Privateers then Pirates. I mean when you make the laws its hard to be criminals, unless you break your own rules.
I also wish to learn more about the Gorn Castes, which seem as much biology based as social.
What's the back story for the Trill Colony?
I want to know why the Ferasans have joined the Empire and a deeper look into thier joint history with the Caitians.
It'd be nice to explore the history, mythologies, customes, atanomy, and heroes of these species.
I do remember hearing something about the Gorn Homeworld and a visit by the Voth.
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"We are the Klingons. Your technological and biological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile. All your base are belong to us."
Seriously though, I do agree. I chose to play as a Klingon when I went redside because I suspected that the other races would feel somewhat out of place in the Empire, and man, I'm glad I did. I sympathize with players from other races. How in the world do you rationalize kicking in the gates of Grethor as a scantily-clad Orion?
Jokes aside, I hear you 100%. First of all, there should be more content, period. Then the allied races to the KDF should be more represented. There is an immerse potential here, that has not been tapped in yet. Hell, a several FE could be created by trying to explain the path of Orions/Nausicaans/Letheans etc. to the Klingon Empire.
I also agree that some slight adjustments would be nice. Like the previous post mentioning an Orion girl walking into Gte'thor. There should be some option that the game recognizes your race and changes the interaction/mission/outcome based on that. Something like when you pet a Tribble with your Klingon it screams, but when I pet it with my Ferasan it purrs.
From the Federation side, I seem to run into more Orion enemies than Klingon ones, if anything. So giving the Orions a bit more airtime on the KDF side would make sense, surely? They've potentially got at least as good a premise as the Klingons. I'm as puzzled as Lordgyor about exactly how an entire nation of pirates would work, but it would be fun to find out.
Makes no sense as to why any male Klingon, average or not, would want to sully his bloodline and honor by having dalliances with slaves that are well beneath his social status and standing.
Their agenda better be to fetch more bloodwine!;)
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Yes, but at the same time if that Klingon's gene pool has not been mixed with Vulcans in his family's previous lineage, the Orion pheromones would probably have him thinking he's a Targ.
Other multi-faction MMORPGs kind of add in this type of story and flavor at launch time and perpetuate the differences between the races as part of the overall story telling. But not Cryptic. Nope, they claim that 12% or 16% of their players aren't worth the time or money.
Even though the amount of Vulcan fans probably hits in at the same percentages. And Catian fans. And android fans. And Tellarite fans. And so on and so forth.
They where gifts given to the major houses in celebration of the KDF and Orion syndicate Lliance.
You do with your gift as you see fit.
As to more focus on the non-klingon races of the KDF faction, I like it as long as it adds to the faction as a whole and makes it richer in story.
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What you are suggesting doesn't happen on the Fed side.
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Thankfully thanks to the Path to 2409 we know quite a bit of what has led the Orions to this point. With Starfleet cracking down on their activities they threw in with the Klingons to keep from getting shut down. They provide intel to the Klingons and don't raid their ships, and in exchange they were granted some territory within the empire to call home.
I've seen a few bits of information scattered in episodes and lore datachips that indicate the Orions are still scheming around looking to improve on their current deal. A Tal'Shiar outpost indicated that their leader was secretly meeting with Drex (Martok's son) for instance. However since Drex dies in the first KDF episode they will probably have to find somebody else to suck up to (I won't be suprised if it winds up being the Duras family)
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Then there is the subjugated Gorn... Defeated and absorbed into the KDF. Since then not many details have expanded on their current situation. I saw a couple episodes in the Reman arc that indicated that the Gorn aren't happy with the current status quo. They are trying to get a voting member on the High Council and when push comes to shove most of them will let their Klingon "allies" die when in a tough battle.
Their siituation is ripe for a rebel faction story arc.
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The Nausicans and Letheans have been treated as nothing more than hired mercenaries as far as I know. I recall the Nausicans have a non-aggression pact with the Empire, turning them into privateers against the Federation. The Letheans haven't even been able to get that level of respect from the Klingons.
These two factions desperatly need something to convey their motives.
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The Joined Trill are something of an oddity to me, as their main race is part of the Federation (I believe). However since Dax was such a blatant Klingon-phile the devs probably felt they could get away with having them play both sides with the Federation and Klingons.
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Finally there are the Ferasans, whose motives totally escape me. As far as I know they are an original creation for this game, as a counterpart to the Caitians from the Animated Series and one of the TMP-era movies.
As far as I've been able to piece together their homeworld is called Ferasa. They were originally one race with the Caitians, but after their own version of an eugenics war, the genetically engineered super-cats won and the normal low bred ones were forced into exile.
However all of that is ancient history and there is no indication what their role in the Klingon Empire currently is. Are they mercenaries, subjugated conscripts, or actual prized allies? You would think that an original creation would get a lot more love from the devs that introduced them.
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Memory Alpha says:
"They're like animals: vicious, seductive. They say no Human male can resist them."
But then Memory Beta brings up the Lodubyaln.
STO has really ****ty lore and why? Such a well defined IP with decades of development...
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
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This runs into the desire to have a wide variety of species in both factions because the Klingons themselves are a hat. None of the other species exist as a Klingon morality play so Cryptic was stuck throwing in a bunch of "villians" together in order to have that.
What it means is that all stories about KDF species have no head to put their hat on. I suppose you can try to put a hat on another hat, but that gets silly.
I'd like to see more of what they started to do in DS9 and a couple of times in the other shows: Klingons of differering opinions, goals, values from the warrior castes. K'Valk had a bit of that (I always viewed him as a man if science for some reason) but I think the faction would be stronger with its own fist fighting version of IDIC.
Problem in this case is Mem Beta.
It's a compilation of everything that was ever stated about anything.
In this case, take a look at the article from Mem Beta you've linked to and see how many sources point to the FASA RPG.
That FASA RPG is not even considered soft-canon nowadays and there's a ton of stuff in it that was contradicted by later canon material.
Hence the entire Mem Beta Article is so totally weird to read.
Same is true for other species.
According to the old Star Fleet Battles tabletop, the Gorn origninate from three different planets but are genetically identical.
They're natural enemies of the Romulans and have fought half a dozen wars against them and sided with the Federation in the "General War" which lasts from Y171 (2278) to Y188 (2295)
In FASA's material, the Gorn are from one planet and have only heard about the Romulans from the Federation.
There was of course no "General War" like in SFB.
In canon Trek we don't know when the Gorn met the Romulans.
It's this contradictory which is why you should be very careful when you read stuff on Mem Beta because it gets confusing really fast.
At first I wanted to hop in and say "Well the Crimto and the Vito'D get no love either."
But then I realized that this all gets back to what I said earlier. This development team has spent three years making excuses and avoiding having to do any sort of development like the kind being asked for here. That includes not just Klingons, but also Catians and Feresans, and anything else.
Heck, they practically gave up on the Undine. And haven't done much at all with the Iconians and Romulans in ages. Though Season 8 may change that, at least.
Instead of story tellers and content creators pushing this game forward, it's mostly been the kind of mini-game, grind creators that would be better suited working at a company like Zynga. (Oh yeah, I went there).
Seriously though, I would like to see a bit more attention paid to the other races of the KDF. I honestly think they should each have a different beginning to the level 1 tutorial. Unlike the Federation, the Klingon Defence forces are more of an amalgum. Due to perticularities of the KDF the empire chose to bring in the fleets of the allied powers (and have no doubts, they are allied at this point. The Gorn are under a Klingon Governor while they put thier own house back in order. The Orion cartels came over all together (there were Orions existant in the Empire that were allready citizens of the empire). There is an Orion home world, but its a played out rock with little to offer other then historic vistas, numerous archeological digs, and not much of anything left in the way of mineral wealth left to be extracted. They are one of the oldest of the starfaring races in the alpha quadrant. An ancient culture that is spoiled, and boored..and looking for some excitment. Thats the Orions.
The other races in the empire need to have a bit more of thier story told. The difference between the empire and the federation is the cracks in the empires unity are there for all to see. Its not perfect. And its never likely to be. But whoh betide any who attempt harm to that unity. As long as the empire is at risk, the races of the empire will stand together (they all have reason to NOT be part of the UFP) ..((and yes, peace with the federation might be one of the worst things that could happen!.. with out a clear and present external threat....)).
I would love to see an intro to the tutorial thats different depending apon the race of the player. It would idealy give some backround into why the players race serves with the KDF. The Federation is more hemogenus at the level of Star Fleet. The KDF though never has been. There are ships of the of the great houses, independents (read mercenaries.. Klingon "security" firms, and then of course the "Klingon Fleet" that takes its orders from the high council and navy command ((this includes detachments from the Orion, Gorn, Nausican fleets))
sounds more like what we would get right now if the EU decided to amalgamate the different national navies into an EU navy. ((shiver... talk about a logistics nightmare!!!))
No idea what the dev team is going to throw at us in May, but sad to say I don't think were going to get this sort of detail, much as I would like to see it.
I'm pretty sure at this point that the KDF is only going to get the bare minimum its been asking for for the last 3 years. Some more ship skins, maybe some more cloathing options. Anywhere from 20 to 40 missions, some in on going arcs, and a level one tutorial and introduction. There are going to be some additionas which are not faction specific of course, along with a new FE/story arc ((Under the Raptors wings))
Beyond that I'm not willing to speculate.
.................... for the record I'd like to make it clear I would truely love to be shocked, surprised, and overwhelmed with an a Beyond that we might get the beginnings of a persistant territorial PvP system, along with a couple more Rep systems. and a cap raise on Dilithium refining, along with an additional way to collect/aquire LOBI besides lock boxes. ((Spending anywhere from $150-$180 on master keys to get lobi crystals to buy a ship in the LOBI store seems more then beyond stupidly excessive))
Not sure what else I can add here at this point sooo...
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This.
I might reboot General Ssharki if KDF ever gets to start at level 1 and they implement race-specific tutorial / career missions.
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Also being a retired Navy guy the fact that all these other races being allowed to fly around in Klingon ships is very hard to swallow. The other races in the KDF should be in their own ships since they are an allied force and not a single entity such as StarFleet. I can understand giving your allies outdated ships but there's no way a government would hand over their top of the line vessels. The U.S. gives its allies equipment, weapons, ships, planes, etc. but if you notice its all outdated stuff.
As someone posted above the other races were thrown in as bad guys to make a two dimensional blackhat faction, sort of what the Klingons were like in the TOS series.Cryptic has done nothing to develope these races and fill in the giant gaps on the things we don't know about them. And we don't have much to go on from the various TV sereis.
Gorn - The only Gorn we ever saw was that one episode in TOS and I think another series had a hologram, that's it.
Letheans - I never saw the episode where we got a glimpse of one but that's what we have is a glimpse and nothing else.
Nausicaans - Picard got stabbed by one in an epsiode, we know theyre pirates and very little else, oh and they carry sharp knives.
Orions - Had warp drive capabilities before most other races in the alpha quandrant. Their food tastes bad. They pirate, smuggle, and take slaves. Raided the vulcan homeword centuries ago before the Vulcan's had space capabilities Are a criminal organization that runs a black market. The women are actually in charge because they have these OP phermones but they pretend to be the slaves.This last part is just plain stupid and unnecessary. There's no need to pretend to be a slave if you look hot, all you need to do is present yourself to whatever male you wish to seduce especially if you have mind controlling phermones. I think what the folks on that ENT episode ran into were gals who were part of an Orion eugenics experiment because if all the Orion women had phermones like that then they would've already been ruling every quandrant in the galaxy. I've seen guys seduced/manipulated/controlled by real life hot women who were neither green nor had phermones.
It's sad that Cryptic had the opportunity to develope these races beyond their two dimensional stigma and failed to do so. I believe if it would've been developed and done right then the KDF with it's diversity of starting points for the various races, diversity of race specific ships, costumes, and equipment then it would've quickly overshadowed the blue side because of the variety of choices offered to players.
So much water under the ST bridge and all we get is...
Cryptic: "Here, now you all play together! Run along. Make it so!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Big diffence. Canada and the USA are allies. Canada said no to nukes on our soil and no to the Iraq war and as a Soveriegn nation we could do that. As such the US won't sell or give us thier best planes.
The USSR and Poland was a Empire/Vassal state relationship, the USSR dicated ultimately most of the foriegn policy and military policy of Poland. Poland ultimately answered to the USSR. As such the USSR had no problem having nukes in Poland or sharing thier best weapons because they ultimately controlled it.
Its the same here. Its why Orions, Nausicaans, Fersans, are all trained at Klingon Academy by the KDF.
I'm okay with some assimulation, but I don't buy it going to this extreme.
Btw you got alot of your info on the Orions off the animated series?
And the Gorn also appeared in an episode of Enterpise.
Nausicaans appeared briefly I think on DS9 as well.
And Leathans were apart of several episodes of DS9 including a front row seat on what the Leathans Rapture attack did on Doctor Bashir's mind. Nasty.
*cough*
The F-35 fighter program mean anything? Only certain electronics are omitted from the sale due to American laws.
Some could argue the relationship between the US and Canada since Mulroney's time. Harper, with his penchant for American laws and ways, does seem more in bed than previous prime ministers, imo.
Canada said no to Iraq but went off to Afghanistan pretty fast and for why? To aid and assist American operations and nothing to do with protecting Canadian Sovereignty. Why do most of the Canadian infantry have American haircuts (high and tights) and use such a purely American military saying like Hooah?
Seen lots of Canadians cross-training with Americans and even attending American military schools so does that make them now vassals like how you used the KDF as an example?
You started strong but the post ended... well, almost contradictory but am sure you will explain it better now.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
I can see your angle, but I guess you as well realize that anything happening in alliances and international relations today is very far-off and not even remotely similar to a future universe alliances between very different alien species in very different circumistances.
Although I would actually like it better the way you suggested it (ex. Orions comandeer Orion ships) , this is an MMO after all and I suspect that if Cryptic puts that kind of restriction without develloping whole sets of ships for each race as well as separate starting homeworlds and such, the amounts of whining would exceede anything known before.
It would be GLORIOUS!
And for this to happen at the curent rate of development of the KDF, I guess we'll be in the 25th century by the time all of this is implemented. :P
Uhm....incorrect actually.
The only vassal state race in the KDF are the Gorn. Presubamly the Ferasan as well, but we have no evidence or lore information of how they came to be in the Klingon Empire, so I suspect it was through conquest, although it remains unknown.
The Trill I woulnd't comment as I suspect that they were - "give it to KDF so they don't whine that Feds. got yet another thing over them" kinda' thing.
The Nausicaans are not a vassal state, they signed a non-agression pact with the Empire after the Klingon - Gorn war. They have all the civilian rights in the Empire as any Klingon.
The Letheans are not a vassal state. They themselves approached the KDF wanting to ally themselves with the Empire and serve it for the purpose of their own interest. Their motivation is unknown, so Klingons still remain weary of them.
And the Orions are as far from a vassal state as it could be. The Orion Syndicate is actually allied with the Klingon Empire, they were never conquered or defeated by the KDF. When the Orions decided to abandon their homeworld they offered alliance to the Breen and the Klingons. They are arguably the first warp-capable species in the Alpha-quadrant with vast amounts of acumulated knowledge, mysterious technologies and such. They offered this in exchange for a new homeworld. Klingons met their demands, gave them Ter'jas Mor and they signed an alliance. Without the support of their Orion alies, it's questionable wheather the KDF would win the war against the Gorn-Nausicaan aliance.
Oh, and on a lighter note, many STO players suspect that Melanie D'ian is actually the mastermind running the KDF.
Not even the US Air Force wants the F-35. Funny enough Canada is still committed to the project where many other nations are now dropping out. LOL
Things are always under development. Better, stronger, faster. Nature of the game.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
And we'd have dumped that piece of junk if we had someone other then a fool and mad man for a Prime Minister. Sadly we don't, but I have high hopes for Thomas Mulcair replacing him in 2015.
And the Orions I believe became a vassal state in exchange for Ter'jas Mor.
The Nausicaans are less certain, and the Leatheans are applicants for vassal state status, and the Klingnons want the Ferasans to join. I'm curious as to why the Ferasans are so important to the Klingons.
My Gorn captain fully supports the creation of a new short campaign about the liberation of the Gorn.
And also a playable Zilant Battleship. :cool: