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3rd Anniv mission shows how the KDF is a joke for Cryptic

born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
edited February 2013 in Klingon Discussion
Just another copy and paste Fed mission!

Why is the KDF invovled - Yar's timeline was at war with KDF where 30 billion lives had been lost - but she shows up there at the Tholin base and has no problem with a KDF helping her escape with the KDF captain taking command of the Ent-C?? You got to be joking.

This mission is just another Fed mission with a slight change in who will make the distraction of the Tholin guard.

Keep believing in the Line that they will finish the KDF - but they could not make the 3rd anniv mission a little more that a Fed copy paste?
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    It was just a mission for both factions since its all their interest to preserve the timeline.
    I'm happy I got a free ship, and didn't really care about the mission being uniquely KDF. We got a new ship for the KDF so that is good I won't complain.
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The only people who believe that they will finish the KDF are new to cryptic.

    There isn't many dual faction missions that seem like the KDF belong. Worst: 2nd Dominion mission. That was embarrasing.

    But this comment:
    Why is the KDF invovled - Yar's timeline was at war with KDF where 30 billion lives had been lost - but she shows up there at the Tholin base and has no problem with a KDF helping her escape with the KDF captain taking command of the Ent-C?? You got to be joking.
    doesn't really explain why she shouldn't.
    Who else is she going to trust?
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Slaves trying to escape generally ignore foolish things like hostility towards former enemies. All that matters to the Enterprise C crew is that you are new and not likely to be a spy for the Tholian guards. They probably even notice a rebellious spark in your character that refuses to bow down to authority. Besides, the mission is all about time travel and the Enterprise C. There is no Klingon ship that could be used since there is no episode in Star Trek that causes immense change to the Klingon Empire because they weren't in the right place and time. Possible that there was a Klingon ship like that but Star Trek is focused on the Federation.
  • user839020189287user839020189287 Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Tasha: "Help us prevent the deaths of 30 million feddies which were lost in the war with the KDF!!! Grovel. Grovel."

    KDF Player: "Uh. I hear that my coverall-disguised First Officer needs assistance with checking a cargo manifest!"

    *leaves station and warps out, back to the grind*
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  • born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    marc8219 wrote: »
    It was just a mission for both factions since its all their interest to preserve the timeline.
    I'm happy I got a free ship, and didn't really care about the mission being uniquely KDF. We got a new ship for the KDF so that is good I won't complain.

    KDF is finished if this is what everyone thinks: we got a new free ship!
  • meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    And people LAUGHINGLY -want- a new Playable Romulan faction???

    The cynical side of me, sort-of hopes the May update includes a new playable Romulan faction. Then I can watch it crash and burn like the KDF has been doing ever since launch.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I enjoyed the mission and found the story tied back to the original episode in a cool way though I would have found it easier to swallow in the begining if the D7 rift had been where KDF faction players started instead of the Enterprise rift.
    It would have helped not set up the "Damnit! Another copy paste mission" feeling from the begining.
    Overall though I thought the whole mission well centered in being almost generic factionwise.
    Even B'vat had a use for once besides being the feds bungling badguy.

    This mission certainly had us included better than many that came before it in my opinion.

    As to wether Cryptic did the KDF wrong in the past.....Sure they did.

    I was actually there, I remember it all.

    2 years of picking the scabs and flicking them at the Devs in defiance has gotten us no where. If the Devs do not know the KDF fanbase feels by now then bKwdf they may be, but honestly Im waiting for May and enjoying MWO while I plinkering in STO still.
    Its time for a new tactical approach than playing wounded targs because is and has not been working for us.
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  • born2bwild1born2bwild1 Member Posts: 1,329 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    I enjoyed the mission and found the story tied back to the original episode in a cool way though I would have found it easier to swallow in the begining if the D7 rift had been where KDF faction players started instead of the Enterprise rift.
    It would have helped not set up the "Damnit! Another copy paste mission" feeling from the begining.
    Overall though I thought the whole mission well centered in being almost generic factionwise.
    Even B'vat had a use for once besides being the feds bungling badguy.

    This mission certainly had us included better than many that came before it in my opinion.

    As to wether Cryptic did the KDF wrong in the past.....Sure they did.

    I was actually there, I remember it all.

    2 years of picking the scabs and flicking them at the Devs in defiance has gotten us no where. If the Devs do not know the KDF fanbase feels by now then bKwdf they may be, but honestly Im waiting for May and enjoying MWO while I plinkering in STO still.
    Its time for a new tactical approach than playing wounded targs because is and has not been working for us.

    Yes I know - should not whine - but it's just frustrating.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yes I know - should not whine - but it's just frustrating.
    It is, but for the most part, that's simply the standard with shared missions, whether they're FE's, the original storyline missions or these special ones.

    I wasn't surprised that it happened, so I simply enjoyed it, with a little modified MST3K Mantra thrown in to prevent me from otherwise enjoying it in spots ;)
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  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm not sure a whole other mission would've been necessary, but some minor textual changes could've helped it. Like, make it so you're initially working with Yar only so you can steal the Enterprise and take it back yourself. Then at the end, either Yar and whats his face retake the ship from you, or the Wells comes along and plucks you out before you can do any damage. It would be a cheap ending from the Klingon perspective, but at least we'd be acting like Klingons in the Klingons' interest the whole time.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You do realize that they're too busy to make a KDF version of the anniv mission because they're busy making KDF content for S8, right ?

    :rolleyes:
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    You do realize that their too busy to make a KDF version of the anniv mission because they're busy making KDF content for S8, right ?

    :rolleyes:

    Good point here and why the op and others need to stop complaining. KDF content will come out soon in new episode series. We do need more KDF only missions I agree, but this anniversary mission did not need to be it. The story for this mission didn't really make a lot of sense anyway, just something you need to do to get a free ship.
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  • malkarrismalkarris Member Posts: 797 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Okay, if you play an honorable Klingon, I wouldn't have much beef with the mission's overall story, the problem is in the details, namely your character doesn't know his or her own history.

    Think about it, this is the Enterprise C, the ship that went down in a blaze of glory protecting a Klingon planet. And you helped her get there to do it. What better honor is there, besides being allowed to fight in that battle. All Yar needed to have said was "We're going back in time to fight Romulans who are attacking a Klingon colony."

    But on the other hand, given that you don't know any of this history, or that you were a starfleet officer or a KDF officer, and that you have probably lived your entire life under some opressive government, you could argue that what a KDF or Starfleet officer would do isn't imortant, since your character isn't one of those, he or she is just some tramp freighter captain in the right place and the right time.
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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'll buy into the argument that on the "far side" of the time jump, we're all weird freighter captains that are noted for our "oddity" and sucked into a battle, without knowing what "empire" we came from. Heck, I'll even add some support to this and say that the time-change was so far before the Undine treachery / annexation of Gorn that the KDF still thought of themselves as an honorable pseudo-Federation that loved combat...

    However, the one thing that bugged me about this run is how there's a KDF "Temporal Guard" that flies Koraths, etc., yet it has to be a Wells that saves the KDF bacon from the fire...
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  • ztempestztempest Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    As a KDF officer...I think I should have been allowed to take the helm of the Ent-C and pilot it home as a war trophy -- to turn it in for additional Romulan reputation, perhaps...or better yet, Fleet Marks!
  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    What reason would I have to trust anything Yar or Castillo said? It's obviously not easy finding work in this timeline and as a freighter captain, whether it's a cushy job or not, I would no reason to jeopardize my livelihood for a wild story and humans I just met. Moreover, as a Lethean I am predisposed toward a mercenary lifestyle and the Tholians are write the checks. Yar and Castillo offer me nothing.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I haven't played in on my KDF character yet (Hey, I haveuntil 2/13 at the latest) -- but is all the dialogue the same for a KDF character (IE the part where Tahsa Yar states '...you're a Star Fleet officer too." ??) <-- if so, that's really bad. If not, then it's kind of surprising they diod at least tweak some of the dialogue a bit more for the KDF version.
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bloctoad wrote: »
    What reason would I have to trust anything Yar or Castillo said? It's obviously not easy finding work in this timeline and as a freighter captain, whether it's a cushy job or not, I would no reason to jeopardize my livelihood for a wild story and humans I just met. Moreover, as a Lethean I am predisposed toward a mercenary lifestyle and the Tholians are write the checks. Yar and Castillo offer me nothing.

    Well because even not trusting them its in the KDFs interest to help. In this timeline where the Klingon Empire gets conquered by the Dominion after being weakened by long war with the Federation they would want to restore it back also.
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  • janusforbearejanusforbeare Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I haven't played in on my KDF character yet (Hey, I haveuntil 2/13 at the latest) -- but is all the dialogue the same for a KDF character (IE the part where Tahsa Yar states '...you're a Star Fleet officer too." ??) <-- if so, that's really bad. If not, then it's kind of surprising they diod at least tweak some of the dialogue a bit more for the KDF version.

    No, there are tiny changes to the dialogue that make it clear that she's aware that you're with the Empire. The Wisest Tribble also has special dialogue for Klingons (it's likely the same as the Feds for other KDF races, though).
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    We did not act as we once did because in the timeline change we where no longer as we once where until we where able to change things back.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    No, there are tiny changes to the dialogue that make it clear that she's aware that you're with the Empire. The Wisest Tribble also has special dialogue for Klingons (it's likely the same as the Feds for other KDF races, though).

    I opened some box in the maze and it told me that I already had an item from that box, in another time.

    WTF did I get, a battery ?
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I did it first on my Fed since I wanted the Ambassador really bad. However soon as I got it, I got on my KDF for that ship. Since I already read and did the story line. And it was just a copy/paste. Like many other KDF missions. I just did a run it as fast as you can and move on type mission. Which is what I usually do anyways. By not reading, running/blasting through it fast as I can. That is what I usually do on the KDF until they actually make missions for them that is KDF based. Not a paste/copy.
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    No, there are tiny changes to the dialogue that make it clear that she's aware that you're with the Empire. The Wisest Tribble also has special dialogue for Klingons (it's likely the same as the Feds for other KDF races, though).

    It screamed and scurried away from my Gorn. He can't use tribbles normally either. Haven't tried them with my Orion or Nausicaan boffs but I think tribbles have the same reaction to all KDF.

    Interestingly, even though my Fed Klingon toon can't use tribbles (they scream and provide no buff) the wisest tribble cuddled right up to him. So I think it's just a dialogue swap for the differnet factions irrespective of race.

    The only race-specific mission dialogue I've ever noticed was actually for my Vulcan toon in "Boldy They Rode."
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    sander233 wrote: »

    It screamed and scurried away from my Gorn. He can't use tribbles normally either. Haven't tried them with my Orion or Nausicaan boffs but I think tribbles have the same reaction to all KDF.

    Hmmm...not all KDF, in fact I thought that they only react that way to Klingons. Possibly the 'wisest tribble' is pre-set to scream and run into the corner if you're KDF.
    But for ex. the regular Tribbles in game always purr in the paws of my Ferasan. I'm pretty certain that they have purred as well on my Orion and Joined Trill.
    I haven't tried Gorn, but I'm actually suprised to hear that Tribbles don't like Gorn either, I thought that was a Klingon-Tribble thing.
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  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    meurik wrote: »
    And people LAUGHINGLY -want- a new Playable Romulan faction???

    The cynical side of me, sort-of hopes the May update includes a new playable Romulan faction. Then I can watch it crash and burn like the KDF has been doing ever since launch.

    It is probably more about flyable D'deridex :)
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    With this sort of attitude is it any wonder no one seems to take you seriously?

    I wonder if any of the "cryptic sucks" KDF players are big enough to apologize if the may update totaly finifhes the missing KDF content.

    OR will they just nitpick it as they do everything else that has been added to the KDF.

    "Yeah well you gave us missions for lvls 1 to 50, and yeah added like 10 new ships, and maybe gave us targ breeding. But you didnt give me the blue boots i wanted so this update totaly sucks."
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  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Hmmm...not all KDF, in fact I thought that they only react that way to Klingons. Possibly the 'wisest tribble' is pre-set to scream and run into the corner if you're KDF.
    But for ex. the regular Tribbles in game always purr in the paws of my Ferasan. I'm pretty certain that they have purred as well on my Orion and Joined Trill.
    I haven't tried Gorn, but I'm actually suprised to hear that Tribbles don't like Gorn either, I thought that was a Klingon-Tribble thing.

    Maybe they just smell the tribble juice on his hands from all the tribble kebab he eats.
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bitemepwe wrote: »
    Its time for a new tactical approach than playing wounded targs because is and has not been working for us.

    Lobbying. Talking about the faction if there is a good opportunity. Tell everywhere "ok, but don't forget the KDF faction".

    Attracting more players could be useful too, because you don't need to be a fan to play the red side. Most of the times, devs tend to forget that. We get too much "fan service" blahblah these days; Stahl thends to forget he also has a MMO in his hands. This should be our motto, instead of serving the limited KDF fanbase. While i'm definitely not a KDF fan i love my KDF chars. I think many people could be in the same situation if they tried seriously to level up and take care of a char they like. Most of us are still ST fans but gamers are a good audience for the red side. And there are many of them in there.
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  • savnokasavnoka Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    With this sort of attitude is it any wonder no one seems to take you seriously?

    I wonder if any of the "cryptic sucks" KDF players are big enough to apologize if the may update totaly finifhes the missing KDF content.


    I'm sorry, but have you even LOOKED at Cryptic's history with the KDF thus far?

    Instead of what players who have been told over and over again that this Season or that Season will be the KDF update, what are you going to do when S8 rolls out and it's more of the same -- no uniforms, no off duty, a pile of c-store ships, one or two pve mishes, and a bunch of 'Klingon-themed' stuff in lockboxes?

    My guess is you'll say we're not appreciative.
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