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Fire Cloaked No reveal: Subterfuge Brel

emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
edited February 2013 in PvP Gameplay
Science and Engineerign rom boffs have subterfuge, which makes the brels special cloak extra good. fire unseen, with 0 reveal. Tractor.. etc, anything, no reveal.

have fun kill good guys
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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Mini got buffed. :eek:
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Dont bother saying anything mini. All it will do is kill the klink ques if people abuse it. At the end of the day, the pvp community loses overall.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Dont bother saying anything mini. All it will do is kill the klink ques if people abuse it.

    Can't be worse really. At least BoPs can be killed easily, not like the Dominion pollution and other trash box ships.
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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    Can't be worse really. At least BoPs can be killed easily, not like the Dominion pollution and other trash box ships.

    Lately i've been seeing the klink ques quite busy. There are also good fights to be had there. Orions, love them or hate them.
    Looking into the future, no feds will que up. Good luck fighting invisible bop vs invisible bop. How is that the same as what it is now? You'll just murder the klink ques. Another nail to hammer in the klink coffin.
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Lately i've been seeing the klink ques quite busy. There are also good fights to be had there. Orions, love them or hate them.
    Looking into the future, no feds will que up. Good luck fighting invisible bop vs invisible bop. How is that the same as what it is now? You'll just murder the klink ques. Another nail to hammer in the klink coffin.

    Not sure about your FvK quality, but for me its usually either enter new match with 2-3 afkers, or enter a match in progress, just to be spawncamped by orions/whaever premade :rolleyes: So really, "invisible" brels is least of my worries lol.

    I know what you are saying, but it would be klingons destroying their own queue.
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  • aquitaine985aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    naz4 wrote: »
    Dont bother saying anything mini. All it will do is kill the klink ques if people abuse it. At the end of the day, the pvp community loses overall.

    Naz is right, i find myself shuddering each time i get told about a new bug. Coz when i finally hear then the rest of the community already knows and does it :(
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  • hatribblehatribble Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    If no reveal on tractor beam, I'd assume no reveal on other things like EWP and what not.

    Way, WAY too much, and I just started to dump dilithium into one of my toons for a B'rel build. Do not want!!!

    No reveal when firing would be torp is interesting/fun enough w/o the rest of that! :confused:
  • paradise1killerparadise1killer Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    emoejoe wrote: »
    Science and Engineerign rom boffs have subterfuge, which makes the brels special cloak extra good. fire unseen, with 0 reveal. Tractor.. etc, anything, no reveal.

    have fun kill good guys

    I'll find u and all your little friends to!!!

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  • naz4naz4 Member Posts: 1,373 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    What a strange notion is this? "Don't tell, this is dangerous knowledge!" If it destroys things, it needs to be adjusted, not kept secret.

    And that prognosis seems weird anyway... if anything, I'd expect to see more Nebulas in the queues then.

    To the rest of the community, it is perfectly logical. Just quirks like you think it isnt because you dont have the foresight or prior experience of such abilities and their long term effect. It is quite clear that you do not have a grasp of the meta game hence your arrogant prognosis of such a comment.

    In your terms, it is alluding to the same reason why certain topics are deleted from forums by the moderators because such things are game breaking.
  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    :mad:

    That explains that B'rel I fought in a TRIBBLE and splode.. Welp, I won't be going back into FvK any more. GJ Cryptic.
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  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited February 2013
    emoejoe wrote: »
    Science and Engineerign rom boffs have subterfuge, which makes the brels special cloak extra good. fire unseen, with 0 reveal. Tractor.. etc, anything, no reveal.

    have fun kill good guys
    Didn't you also say that it doesn't boost your torpedo damage like it should and that there's a visual bug where you can't tell if you're cloaked or not?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    emoejoe wrote: »
    Science and Engineerign rom boffs have subterfuge, which makes the brels special cloak extra good. fire unseen, with 0 reveal. Tractor.. etc, anything, no reveal.

    have fun kill good guys

    LOL OMG LOL again.............ok if i troll people this much in opvp chat i really am sorry. but i had told this to everyone in opvp chat as soon as live went back up and the traits worked. mini , TRIBBLE the the super subterfuge. last i checked the tact blue rom bo will also give faster cloak and more crit. in ur bop that will be deadly. sucks cause i know this is alot of fleet marks and dil but fill all slots in a bop with just pure tact officers. lol you will never really "decloak" tho the system thinks you are thus get that bonus when you fire weps. with 2 rom doffs im pushing over 12.something crit.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    What a strange notion is this? "Don't tell, this is dangerous knowledge!" If it destroys things, it needs to be adjusted, not kept secret.

    i do agree with you 100%. when let out and the abusing starts people head to fourms to make a 60+ page count.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    So a question, then...

    Fleet Nebula...Nebby consoles, Gas Sensors, Sensor Consoles, Omega Deflector, Sensor Skills...etc, etc, etc. Target Subsystem: Aux.

    ...would that do the trick?
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,415 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2013
    You'd do better with the Jem'Hadar deflector.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    illcadia wrote: »
    You'd do better with the Jem'Hadar deflector.

    Hrmm, forgot the Mk XII sports +2%.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited February 2013
    Hrmm, forgot the Mk XII sports +2%.
    Even the Mk XI can detect me with my fleetmate not having any extra power to the Aux system.

    Of course, it was only when I was 0km away from him. That's much better than my other fleetmate with full power in Aux.

    I'll have to see what it's like after I get this BOFF.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    EPtA gives a short amount of stealth sight too. just long enough to lock a tractor!
  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    i already told everyone i know. and it aint that bad

    brignsome cpb

    or go home
  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    webdeath wrote: »
    :mad:

    That explains that B'rel I fought in a TRIBBLE and splode.. Welp, I won't be going back into FvK any more. GJ Cryptic.

    get ur brel and dont look back. how many times have i killed u recently?

    why do theb est players not give anythign a chance sometimes
  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Because I don't feel like flying a B'rel right now. I'm working on my Fed Engi. Not to mention I don't like the builds people.. abuse.. with the new stuff..

    Like being able to fly in a B'rel and drop Warp pee and mines all with out a single decloak.

    No thanks. That doesn't feel right.

    To sounds carebareish.. it doesn't feel Trek like either.
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  • webdeathwebdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    emoejoe wrote: »
    i already told everyone i know. and it aint that bad

    brignsome cpb

    or go home

    So waste a slot on CPB just to TRY to catch a B'rel with in the radius of CPB? :rolleyes: Should I also waste my Doff slots on the Placate part of CPB? :rolleyes:
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    emoejoe wrote: »
    Science and Engineerign rom boffs have subterfuge, which makes the brels special cloak extra good. fire unseen, with 0 reveal. Tractor.. etc, anything, no reveal.

    have fun kill good guys

    Lol Qa'pla! Enjoy the thrill of combat.
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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Have to say I'm completely with Naz on this one...

    I queue for FvK a lot... I have fairly thick skin and most Klinkydinks don't really phase me much. Thing is though, you do get those odd games which remind you exactly why Feds don't queue en masse for FvK any more. When the new Scramble DOffs came out, where do you think you'd be guaranteed to see people spamming them (in conjunction with the usual VTR/AMS etc.)? How many Klinkydinks still slot leech and haven't moved it even since back in the days when it was majorly broken?

    I just see those nadir FvK games as stress tests at this point. Good for hardening you up and also for demonstrating everything that's wrong with this game.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Pishposh. Its bug for the KDF. I have no doubts it will be squashed soon.
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  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hm there are several ways to keep people out of cloak. Tractor beams, gravity wells, several gas consoles, eject warp plasma, spamming chroniton mines on the map, TBRs will also target cloaked stuff, and probably a couple of things i don't have in mind right now. It's not because the counter isn't on your ship that it "breaks the game". I wish the whole pvp community could embrace this spirit. :P

    It's also useful to spec into sensors to counter cloaked ships. It's also useful against placate and scramble, and i know how much it's annoying (note: "annoying", not "game breaking"), so enjoy your respec. :D
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  • beary666stobeary666sto Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    diogene0 wrote: »
    Hm there are several ways to keep people out of cloak. Tractor beams, gravity wells, several gas consoles, eject warp plasma, spamming chroniton mines on the map, TBRs will also target cloaked stuff, and probably a couple of things i don't have in mind right now. It's not because the counter isn't on your ship that it "breaks the game". I wish the whole pvp community could embrace this spirit. :P

    It's also useful to spec into sensors to counter cloaked ships. It's also useful against placate and scramble, and i know how much it's annoying (note: "annoying", not "game breaking"), so enjoy your respec. :D

    The "bug" as I understand it, is that in your B'Rel, you won't decloak for the 3 secs while doing anything, firing, tractoring, etc. In addition to this, you are also undetectable by a sci ship running full aux with sensor scan (as per mini's other thread)

    So the problem with those counters you listed are:

    1) Tractor beams, Gravity Well, Tyken's require a target lock to fire off and decloak someone.
    2) Mines require the BoP to fly into them and also do not decloak B'Rels
    3) TBR does not decloak B'Rels, I don't know if if even decloaks normal cloaks
    4) CBP, PSW requires that the B'Rel get within 5 or 3 km
    5) Eject Warp Plasma or any other gas requires the B'Rel to be very close, or a very dumb pilot who would fly into it, or a lucky graphics glitch that prevents the B'Rel from seeing the cloud.
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  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I was there in one of Mini's tests.

    My sensor scan couldn't detect him. He was literally 3km away and I could not detect him. I only managed to catch him accidentally with an EWP.

    Anyway, he still died several times in the tests, so he's far from invincible with these boffs. :)

    We'll likely see the nerf bat soon anyhow.
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