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emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
edited February 2013 in PvP Gameplay
anyone have any deets on what "subterfuge" actually does numerically. says it boosts cloak, and the damage bonus u get from cloak. any one got this/ attest to its value?

thnks
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  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    no one knows?
  • hurleybirdhurleybird Member Posts: 909
    edited February 2013
    No one cares :D
  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hurleybird wrote: »
    No one cares :D

    id care greatly if it meant even 5% more from cloak fire bonus (brel gets this bonus constantly)

    and if the strengthened cloak meant less detections yeah i d care too. dont worry ill flesh it out, buy one for myself and test all metrics.

    imagine, what would u rather have, 35% crit over 32% or extra raw dmg all the time. i already use ctrd instead of ctrh becus id rather hit harder when i hit hard, than hit hard (marginally) more often. and its relevant becus i only fly one tac boff so me (and everyother kdf with 1 tac boff) cant get more crit% anyway. case in point, scythe weaponmaster pwned scimmy wm 50%*y* x3 < 25%*y* x5.

    ill just have to do the math. one day when i can actually buy the suckers. my favorite part of this game afterall
  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    i was going to ask the same, the description of those boff is very poor. I want to know if that crict bonus works on a brel firing torpedos cloaked. And if those boff stack
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  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    latest battle reports (courtesy of ktan) gives u about 10% dmg bonus form cloak, but doesnt work with brel ebc. and apprently its borks ur cloak totally when equipped and just doesnt work at all... sigh

    stay tuned further testign required
  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    still incomplete info, but the added cloak bonus seems very good if not op.

    at 125 aux we couldnt see him without sensor scan, then with the rom boff we couldnt see him even WITH sensor scan.

    at 0 range.

    stay tuned
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited February 2013
    emoejoe wrote: »
    latest battle reports (courtesy of ktan) gives u about 10% dmg bonus form cloak, but doesnt work with brel ebc. and apprently its borks ur cloak totally when equipped and just doesnt work at all... sigh

    stay tuned further testign required
    This makes me sad. I was dreaming of doing 2x rom tacts, and one sci and eng on my B'rel.

    Perhaps put in a ticket?
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited February 2013
    emoejoe wrote: »
    still incomplete info, but the added cloak bonus seems very good if not op.

    at 125 aux we couldnt see him without sensor scan, then with the rom boff we couldnt see him even WITH sensor scan.

    at 0 range.

    stay tuned
    What was the stealth skill at?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    shookyang wrote: »
    What was the stealth skill at?

    And Sensors/Stealth Detection...

    Also, was it his Aux at 125, their Aux at 125, or both?
  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Final result of test:

    Damage bonus:
    Only work when u decloak, is a 5sec damage buff. The buff dosn't trigger when u fire clocked from a brel, u need to disable the cloak.

    Cloak Bonus:
    I was with 125aux, and 1 green boff (basic subterfuge) and nobody can see me, at any range. (i think that with 125 nobody can see me anyway, with or without the boff)
    When the SCI player used sensor scan, he was able to see me, but minimax that was a 1km wasn't able.

    With 63aux (i can't go lower) and the boff minimax can't see me even at 0.01km, without the boff he can see me. When the SCI player used sensor scan, both can see me

    And this was with only 1 boff (u can stack 2, one with basic subterfuge, and another with superior subterfuge)

    Btw, this boff also breaks cloak animation, is a visual bug but is very annoying because i never knew if i was cloaked of uncloaked, need to check my traybar every time. The bug also affects the stealth stat in the ship stats, u can't see it (so it was imposible know my stealth value with the boff)
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  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited February 2013
    Does the damage bonus work properly without the BOFF? I never bothered to check.

    How many points in the Stealth skill do you have?

    I run my Aux at 118 and have my Stealth skill at 6. Against a sci ship with maxed Aux, I cannot be detected at 0km unless they a) have the Jem'Hadar set, which really only lets them see me at point blank range briefly, b) they hit me with Sensor Scan.

    I do not have the Romulan BOFF yet.
  • playhard88playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    my stealth skill from the captian skill tree is on 0, the bonus of that skill is to slow, not worth spent points there
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  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    hurleybird wrote: »
    No one cares :D

    i love u jorf. but some times peopel who say dumb stuff get their comeuppance.

    would u care if it let brel fire while cloaked and not become visible.. at ALLL

    even when tractoring u.

    cus it does.

    see me i ngame for test
  • emoejoeemoejoe Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    even when i stacked deflector and sen cconsoles had 200 sensors space sat and hit them with -220 stealth sensor scan i couldnt see him while he was at 0 firing att me.

    seems a lil much, still testing i dont know if the brel has some kind of inferior base sensors stat that is messing it up, or if sensor scan is so much better than fomm. stay tuned for furtheri nfo

    for now. get the subterfuge and pwn withotu being seen
    gday
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I have an anti-stealth nebula. If you want test stealth, just give me shout in-game. I can see normal bops "aka they do not care much about how efficient their cloak is" up to 15km with sensor consoles and tachyon grid.
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
  • minerkminerk Member Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    dalnar83 wrote: »
    I can see normal bops "aka they do not care much about how efficient their cloak is" up to 15km with sensor consoles and tachyon grid.

    15km? That's possible? 3 sensor consoles?
  • dalnar83dalnar83 Member Posts: 2,420 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    minerk wrote: »
    15km? That's possible? 3 sensor consoles?

    That was on my tac nebula, full aux, omega dish, 4x sensor console, 6/9 in sensors and tachyon grid. Last time i tested it like half year ago.

    I guess if I used my sci and used both nebula tachyon consoles together with sensor scan, it would be much more better. I'm lazy to grind another toon tho.

    Beside, there is only couple of mad BoP players left in FvK queues, so I did not attempt to perfect the art of killing stealthed ships :D
    "Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
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