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Come on devs, balance the weapon power usage already!
peter1z9
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How many threads do we all have to make on this issue?
Under the current system, every weapon with a lower DPS than a Dual Cannon gets penalized twice for having a better firing arc: once by having a lower DPS and once by having a lower efficiency (power usage VS DPS).
Yes, dual cannons and dual heavy cannons should absolutely have the best DPS in the game. But should all the other weapons be so inefficient that an already lower DPS becomes an absolutely pathetic DPS when using eight of them (at max power level)? Tactical already gets attack pattern buffs (even more DPS) and DPS abilites while everyone else gets...inefficient weapons.
Sure, engineers get eptw3 but all ship systems are hard-capped to 125 so that doesn't really help.
Under the current system, every weapon with a lower DPS than a Dual Cannon gets penalized twice for having a better firing arc: once by having a lower DPS and once by having a lower efficiency (power usage VS DPS).
Yes, dual cannons and dual heavy cannons should absolutely have the best DPS in the game. But should all the other weapons be so inefficient that an already lower DPS becomes an absolutely pathetic DPS when using eight of them (at max power level)? Tactical already gets attack pattern buffs (even more DPS) and DPS abilites while everyone else gets...inefficient weapons.
Sure, engineers get eptw3 but all ship systems are hard-capped to 125 so that doesn't really help.
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Though its kinda bad when the most commonly seen escort build is always 4 cannons and 3 turrets, max dps builds. Escorts should also have a variety of builds. But that my opinion. Hate me for it if you wish or try to reason with me. My word isn't law.
The reason this will never happen: Escort-only power-gamers will derail any threads suggesting this with their incessant whinging about how terrible their life is, how OP cruisers and science ships are, how escorts are the only ships in the game that need DPS and the ability to turn, that escorts need to tank like cruisers, etc.
In short, the escort is king corn on TRIBBLE hill right now, and none of its fans want that to change.
Its a lot of power drain, even with all the mitigating abilities out there. Someone did some basic testing last week and posted (thread's around here somewhere) and apparently most of the drain-mitigating powers don't even work correctly. Combine that with how long the drain lasts (beams are the full firing cycle, cannons are just bang-and-done), and that cripples beams more than any base-damage differences.
Tangentally, I wonder why there are so many of these threads lately?
I posted some suggestions recently, so far the escorts rule crowd have been trying to turn it into a ship vs ship argument.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=526491
and torpedos always have a place in hull smashing, somethig you just can do with anything else.
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As lolimpicard points out, it's possible to build cruisers that don't suffer too much from weapon drain, especially since you should have four engineering console slots which are ideal for an EPS Flow Regulator, which will let your power levels recover a lot faster each time you fire. There are also tons of bonuses you can use, the M.A.C.O and Romulan Singularity sets both have bonus electro-plasma systems which also make a noticeable difference. Sure, Escorts can take advantage of power transfer too, but not as easily due to more limited console slots, so those that do do it to keep their DPS up but will have to sacrifice damage resistance to do-so.
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Your mistake, your problem.
Most Escorts fit 3 DHCs and 3 turrets: 6 energy weapons.
You want to use 25% more energy weapons than an Escort?
Without a +15 to Weapon Power?
And without burning through whatever weapon power you have?
Good luck. :rolleyes:
And by the way: It's well possible, altho apparently those people can't figure it out.
He's dead, Jim.
EPS flow regulators do squat for weapon power drain. They only help recover from using an BOFF ability like Beam Overload.
Simple: All energy weapons should have their power consumption raised/lowered based on the power setting.
Make beams have the best power:dmg ratio. Let cannons have worst.
That way cannons STILL remain the best SPIKE damage dealers and beams can be the best damage-over-time dealers.
Says the person that obviously only runs escort builds. I am able to constantly run my Cruiser at the hard-cap 125 power using 2 copies of EPTW1, and maxed Starship Warp Core Potential & Starship Weapon Performance. However, that does nothing since 7 or 8 Beam weapons still choke themselves on energy. Even EPTW3 doesn't help Engineers much since every category of ship power is hard-capped at 125 and you only get the +16.6% all Energy Damage strength for a whopping 5 sec.
The devs have repeatedly stated that EPS Flow Regulators only boost power transfer rate, they don't boost dps. EPS Flow Regulators will allow you to shift power between systems more quickly and if you are using beam overload they will help recover from that drain more quickly (as well as full impulse drain). However, they DO NOT boost DPS.
The M.A.C.O and Romulan Singularity sets both have bonus electro-plasma systems but they just act like EPS flow regulators that boost power transfer rates, and NOT DPS.
The boost from the Rommie and MACO sets do increase the amount of power you get from EPtX. As for my opinion on BAs, just look at the zillions of threads on BAs. You will almost guarantee see something from me.
Correction, anyone who PvPs will derail this thread.
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Well thats not entirely true. I would like better weapon drain mechanics for beams and the cannons except DHCs which I think they got right and I pvp as an occassional funbit.
I just dont wish to see the whole mechanic knocked out of whack in a different direction instead of actually balanced.
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Unless they fix FAW, Beams should remain exactly how they are.
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Last I heard FaW was fixed. By fixed I mean bugged in a manner that makes the ability perform worse than it should, not better. So working as intended, not desired.
Granted I havn't pvped in a couple of months, but I remember a couple devs clearly stating how they "cant" fix it not without "re-writing it"
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Which, and this was posted only a few days ago, it appears they have gotten on this, and we might in fact be seeing some fixes soon.
Ive hazzard to think that if they fixed beams the current bugged FAW would actually worked in a psuedo-proper way.
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Cut the +dmg boost of tactical consoles to half, on both energy type and beam/cannon consoles.
Improve the tactical +beam dmg consoles so that they also grant +weapon energy resistance
Improve the tactical +cannon dmg consoles so that they also grant +weapon energy resistance
Would need to tweak the heals tho.
That is an interesting line of thought and it certainly would simplify an number of things. Not exactly an minor overhaul though.
erm.
repalce all weapon drain stats with 0 on tribble. test.
Here is another proposition:
We just copy the tripple damned DHC's.
Reduce the cycle time and number of pulses in BA's to match DHC energy consumption patterns. Adjust the damage stat so that it (for now) matches the current end dps of the array.
Put on tribble. Test.
Or better: Just make it ONE pulse every 4 seconds, and have that pulse carry the damage from a current full cycle.
Slow hammerblows, steady, unyielding. wham .wham. wham. wham. like a hamemr striking the iron (and constant pressure damage is what all escort captains want cruisers to do, this would be it. The base end dps is nominally the same, naturally the power drain issue will go away and we can have a more detailed look at the damage and if it needs further down or up scaling) Has the nice side effect of doing away with the disco beam spacecombat.
You want to fix the broken beam power drain by adjusting something that has absolutely nothing to do with it?
If you nerf the consoles as you want, you will lower the damage of everyone in the game, resulting in even weaker cruisers and scis while escorts still reign supreme due to the fact that their guns arent fundamentally ill conceived.
+ the overall goal is to make Beam arrays useful, not to nerf escorts (if anything we should use the escort as a baseline to place the other ships)
This is a thread about the BA's Self crippling way of function.
I am perfectly aware of that and you don't need to adopt a patronizing tone. I was offering an alternative to the usual "nerf BA power drain", which has been floating around for so long without any dev interest that it is clear nothing will be done about it.
this.
and im guessing most here dont PvP, oh we love a good hullheallin never-say-die cruiser. The most intelligent captains can dish out secondary dps too. mmmmhmmm...
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And since BAs have been derped so hard and so many people have been either asking for a drain reduction or damage return, one does have to wonder if the devs really even care at this point.
This x100 combined with the vast majority having no clue how the game mechanics work. Which isn't really their fault since Cryptic refuses to release said info in an official manner for the most part.